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Pre-Game Talk: 2013-2014 Rangers pre-season discussion

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The schedule had a lot to do with the on-ice product. 2nd time where MSG rennovations have a say in how the Rangers do business.

The 1994 Rangers opened the preseason in London against the Leafs. The French's Trophy or something. They had a very strong preseason that year, but the travel and gimmick games hurt them to start the season. They were awful to start the season.

2012 was the same. They lost their first three, Hank stole a game in Vancouver they should have destroyed in, and the Macdonagh miracled a win in Calgary. They come back to the Garden and blow a lead to the Sens in a loss.

Give it time. These guys are pros. Travelling to and on the West Coast is a nightmare. Airports are a nightmare. Even a Ritz carlton or Four Seasons can become annoying after a week.

Don't expect a great start to the season. It's a horrendous schedule. If they can come home 4-5 off that murder trip it not only keeps the season from spiraling out of control, it also knocks off the road requirement against tough teams when the season comes to a close and the points are more important.
 
Kreider needs to be in the minors. If he stinks the way he did in Hartford before than its time for the organization to make a final call.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Then why are you responding to one of my post with "for **** sake"?

My bigger concerns go deeper but I'll wait for the regular season before I go there.
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Because I'm on edge? I apologize, you ignored the substance of my post and went straight to intensity and heart.

While it's an issue, it hasn't been a storyline in my opinion throughout PS. It was evident in Calgary and the second half of last night's game.
 
While I appreciate the optimists in this thread, I'm real, real worried.

It seems as though we reached a pinnacle 2 years ago...and since then we've systematically undone everything that got us to that level.
 
True Blue said:
Right on all counts. I am not liking what I am seeing. The team is smaller, less feistier and not as hungry as last year. I also fear that the accountability that Torts put in will be gone.

Not to be completely over the edge, but I half expected Kamensky to make an appearance by watching these games.
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I've had this fear since the Torts pitchforks came out. NYRCC is never that far out of reach.

IMO it's way, way to early to draw any conclusions. Is it encouraging? No. But I am holding out hope and trying to be patient.
 
NYR Viper said:
Really? I'm not sure I agree with that.
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Pyatt hasn't been as miserable as people are projecting. He's been above average.

Richards has shown glimpses, slightly better than last season. Still not good enough.

D. Moore has been above average to good on most nights and had one really good game.

Boyle has been Boyle.

Kreider has been average to below average. Thought he had a good game with Miller the other night, if he plays that way consistently he edges out Boyle and possibly Pyatt. If he doesn't, he shouldn't be on the team.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Pyatt hasn't been as miserable as people are projecting. He's been above average.

Richards has shown glimpses, slightly better than last season. Still not good enough.

D. Moore has been above average to good on most nights and had one really good game.

Boyle has been Boyle.

Kreider has been average to below average. Thought he had a good game with Miller the other night, if he plays that way consistently he edges out Boyle and possibly Pyatt. If he doesn't, he shouldn't be on the team.
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Couldn't you do the same thing with Pyatt? If he can't finish on the chances he was getting last night with MZA and Richards, he shouldn't be on the team right?
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Because I'm on edge? I apologize, you ignored the substance of my post and went straight to intensity and heart.

While it's an issue, it hasn't been a storyline in my opinion throughout PS. It was evident in Calgary and the second half of last night's game.
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It's been the one thing that has been most evident to me. I really can't comment on the system because we're really not seeing it because it is new.

Like I said before, I'll hold off on my biggest concern until we see a few regular season games first.
 
NYR Viper said:
Couldn't you do the same thing with Pyatt? If he can't finish on the chances he was getting last night with MZA and Richards, he shouldn't be on the team right?
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Is Pyatt supposed to be scoring? I thought that was an added bonus with him. He plays a decent possession game and has been seeing things up. While not being a train wreck defensively.

Isn't Kreider supposed to be a more dynamic offensive threat than Pyatt? He hasn't been, and he has looked pretty passive in other areas.

So neither of them has shown much offensively, they are supposed to be playing different roles and comparing them solely on offense isn't a fair assessment.

If you have to keep one of two players, and the options are a guy who isn't viewed as a scorer but can help you keep possession and has shown a few glimpses of being able to set up a play while not floating around, or a guy who should be creating offensively but isn't and seems to be floating you have to take the lesser of two evils IMHO.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Is Pyatt supposed to be scoring? I thought that was an added bonus with him. He plays a decent possession game and has been seeing things up. While not being a train wreck defensively.

Isn't Kreider supposed to be a more dynamic offensive threat than Pyatt? He hasn't been, and he has looked pretty passive in other areas.

So neither of them has shown much offensively, they are supposed to be playing different roles and comparing them solely on offense isn't a fair assessment.

If you have to keep one of two players, and the options are a guy who isn't viewed as a scorer but can help you keep possession and has shown a few glimpses of being able to set up a play while not floating around, or a guy who should be creating offensively but isn't and seems to be floating you have to take the lesser of two evils IMHO.
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Or you keep the guy who seems to have some sort of future with the team over a guy who is at his peak and is nothing more than a spot filler.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
I've had this fear since the Torts pitchforks came out. NYRCC is never that far out of reach.

IMO it's way, way to early to draw any conclusions. Is it encouraging? No. But I am holding out hope and trying to be patient.
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I am trying, but the dark years have left a mark. The fact of the matter is that in recent memory, the Rangers have not fared well under the "feel good" coaches. Renney's mixed bag aside, the only coaches who got anything of the Rangers have been Keenan and Torts (in the last 25 years or so). The key thing under those two was accountability and effort. The country club Rangers were outworked, outhit, outgutted. They never wanted to pay the price and could not stand to get their nose dirty. Under Torts, if you were not willing to pay the price or get your nose dirty, you did not pay. Period. To me, it was not a surprise that he was the most successful coach since Kennan and one of the most successful in about 25 years.

Naturally, I fear a return to NYRCC. And am seeing some early seeds of it. Hopefully , that is not the case. But as a long tenured member of the community here (though admittedly not anywhere near as much of a poster as I used to be), I recall these boards and what it was like to watch Fatcats on ice.
 
True Blue said:
I've had this fear since the Torts pitchforks came out. NYRCC is never that far out of reach.

IMO it's way, way to early to draw any conclusions. Is it encouraging? No. But I am holding out hope and trying to be patient.
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I am trying, but the dark years have left a mark. The fact of the matter is that in recent memory, the Rangers have not fared well under the "feel good" coaches. Renney's mixed bag aside, the only coaches who got anything of the Rangers have been Keenan and Torts (in the last 25 years or so). The key thing under those two was accountability and effort. The country club Rangers were outworked, outhit, outgutted. They never wanted to pay the price and could not stand to get their nose dirty. Under Torts, if you were not willing to pay the price or get your nose dirty, you did not pay. Period. To me, it was not a surprise that he was the most successful coach since Kennan and one of the most successful in about 25 years.

Naturally, I fear a return to NYRCC. And am seeing some early seeds of it. Hopefully , that is not the case. But as a long tenured member of the community here (though admittedly not anywhere near as much of a poster as I used to be), I recall these boards and what it was like to watch Fatcats on ice.
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As I mentioned on the previous page, I think BR's presence is having a negative effect on multiple levels that extend well beyond his shifts on the ice... Need to get him far away STAT.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
He's filling the spot of the guy with the future who isn't ready in the present.
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Is there really a big drop off from Pyatt to Kreider? I don't think so. I am just repeating what I said in the off-season. I would rather see a young player stumble a bit than watch players like Pyatt, Boyle, Asham and Powe just fill a spot and provide little to no offense.
 
NYR Viper said:
Is there really a big drop off from Pyatt to Kreider? I don't think so. I am just repeating what I said in the off-season. I would rather see a young player stumble a bit than watch players like Pyatt, Boyle, Asham and Powe just fill a spot and provide little to no offense.
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I would tend to agree but I feel like Kreider is boom or bust at this point and needs to be handled correctly to ensure he'll find success. I'm not convinced he's going to benefit from moving up and down the lineup while playing primarily on the third line.

A kid like Miller, Hrivik, or Lindberg may fill that role better without suffering as much from the lack of primo minutes.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
I would tend to agree but I feel like Kreider is boom or bust at this point and needs to be handled correctly to ensure he'll find success. I'm not convinced he's going to benefit from moving up and down the lineup while playing primarily on the third line.

A kid like Miller, Hrivik, or Lindberg may fill that role better without suffering as much from the lack of primo minutes.
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Maybe true. But considering the team looks, again, to be lacking an offensive punch, I would rather see what Kreider has to give over 40 games, let him settle in, and then go from there. If he hasn't come around and is slumping hard, send him down.
 
NYR Viper said:
Maybe true. But considering the team looks, again, to be lacking an offensive punch, I would rather see what Kreider has to give over 40 games, let him settle in, and then go from there. If he hasn't come around and is slumping hard, send him down.
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A full season certainly might be enough to get him going, I think you'd have to ease him into the top six and not just pile on the pressure.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Have to be showcasing, no?
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based on the below I have no freaking clue who is on the team. Mean besides the 1st line they could all be in the minors except Boyle and on Boyle he didn't even play the wing in the preseason right?

-Benoit Pouliot, Brad Richards, Rick Nash
-Chris Kreider, Brian Boyle, Jesper Fast
-JT Miller, Oscar Lindberg, Marek Hrivik
-Brandon Mashinter, Darroll Powe, Arron Asham

Michael Del Zotto, Stu Bickel, John Moore, Anton Stralman, Justin Falk and Conor Allen.

Henrik Lundqvist will start in goal.

Players not playing tonight include Mats Zuccarello, Derick Brassard, Dominic Moore, Taylor Pyatt, Derek Dorsett,
 
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