2013-2014 NFL Thread IV (Giants firing Gilbride? Skins want Fewell?; Jets keep Rex)
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IronBloodedLion
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The jets are in a great postion going into 2014. they will have 50 million to spend and like 10 draft picks. They went 8-8 with the youngest team in the league and not much talent on offense. Things are looking up
AlternateSideParking
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Beason is good enough considering the lack of depth.
Ballard is a guy I thought would be back but the Pats snatched him up after the SB and never played him. It's worth giving him a shot because Myers blows.
Yeah its a mess. They are lucky the division stinks.
Mocks suck. They're rarely accurate, even after the combine and personal work outs. Draft is deep at WR. A bunch now have the 3 touted WR's going before 16.
Seems unlikely to me. Just personal opinion.
Amaro might have to be the pick if that actually does happen. I'd be fine with that too.
Seems unlikely to me. Just personal opinion.
Amaro might have to be the pick if that actually does happen. I'd be fine with that too.
17futurecap
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Still a long ways away, hoping they can get a one of the big WR'S in the first round. Great team win yesterday, they really played hard for Rex after what seemed like the season was over when they couldn't buy a score in the Bills, Ravens and first Fins game. The team could have just quit on Rex and they didn't going 3-1 with a very acceptable loss at Carolina where they played well.
Geno doesn't have to be a running QB, but it's nice to see him use his legs more to create some plays, and he did a good job with that this year. I'm looking forward to the offseason, draft etc..... Let's get Big Mo signed for a long time
.As much as I enjoyed the win today, and knocking the LOLphins out of the playoffs, we screwed ourselves going from the #11 pick to the 18th.
#11 pick could have netted us Watkins. Still got a long way till the draft begins, but I don't see Watkins falling to #18.
And I was actually thinking about Amaro. He might be the pick for us, and I wouldn't mind. He appears to be the best receiving TE in the draft (I've heard comparisons to a potential Jimmy Graham like player).
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Hunter Gathers
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slipknottin
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You're analysis of player ability is pretty dreadful.
Not wanting Mosley because he's an inside linebacker is fair. That position doesn't have all that much value.
Not wanting Mosley because you think he isn't a good player? Wut?
silverfish
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I'm telling you, Jonathan. I've watched every game Mack has played in the past two seasons. He has the potential to be a superstar linebacker. If he's there at 11/12/whenever the Giants pick, it'd be wise to select him.
slipknottin
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I'm telling you, Jonathan. I've watched every game Mack has played in the past two seasons. He has the potential to be a superstar linebacker. If he's there at 11/12/whenever the Giants pick, it'd be wise to select him.
The question I have with Mack is does he have the ability to be a true pass rusher. Or is he just a blitzer.
It's a significant difference.
Giants need pass rushers badly. Can Mack contribute in that regard or is his skill set that of a first and second down player instead
It's similar to what aaron curry was coming out. Dominating player who played up on the line a lot, but did not have many sacks
silverfish
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What I'll say about Mack is this. He is VERY coachable, and is a serious student of the game. At the college level, he read the game beautifully. Knowing when to keep going on a blitz, knowing when to stand up on a line and get his hands up. He's a strong tackler - evidenced by his FF numbers.
Is he more suited up on the line? Yes. That's where he had most of his success at the college level. I think he has the athleticism to play in any defensive system. He's been soaring up mock drafts this year for a reason.
Take all of this with a grain of salt. I'm a Buffalo alum
Hunter Gathers
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Instead of acting like you just did, perhaps you could just ask me why I feel that way. Or is that too difficult?
I was a bit hyperbolic, but Mosley does not excite me at all.
I'm not the only one who feels that way. He's a mediocre ILB. You can have him if you want him. I don't want him. I don't think he's athletic enough to be an elite ILB. He's not a good runstopper at all. He is good playing zone against the pass, but not good enough to play against faster TEs.
The biggest issue with Mosley is his piss-poor run defense. I don't want a MLB with poor run defense. He constantly gets pushed back whenever he challenges the runner. He's apparently putting on weight before the combine to try and get rid of this, but how would we even know if the weight is anything but just weight? I doubt he will be doing the Senior Bowl, so we won't see if it has helped his lack of strength against the run.
How many times do we see Alabama players end up as the definition of mediocre at the NFL level? Hightower looks like another in the line of them, too, this season.
There are many reasons to pass on him in the 1st round. Particularly at pick #12. If we move down into the 20s and pick up a 2nd and 3rd, then you can think about it and I wouldn't be opposed to it. He'd be a terrible top 15 pick, though.
HatTrick Swayze
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Went to the Giant game yesterday. Man was that miserable. I know my brain wanted them to lose but I love beating the Skins.
Really hope they go OL, WR, or Corner in the first round. Watching the team this year it is astounding 11 teams finished worse than them.
Really hope they go OL, WR, or Corner in the first round. Watching the team this year it is astounding 11 teams finished worse than them.
slipknottin
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Mosley lacks athleticism?
Wut?
He's probably a weakside linebacker in the nfl. He is never going to be a 250 pound thumper. That's not what he does.
He's in the mold of a Lavonte David. He can run. He keeps himself clean from blockers. He does very well in the mental aspect of the game in terms of passing routes and awareness of what plays are coming.
If you think he isn't athletic you need to watch more tape of him. That's all I can say.
As for Alabama players being crap? What? They probably pan out as much or more than players from any other big school.
Wut?
He's probably a weakside linebacker in the nfl. He is never going to be a 250 pound thumper. That's not what he does.
He's in the mold of a Lavonte David. He can run. He keeps himself clean from blockers. He does very well in the mental aspect of the game in terms of passing routes and awareness of what plays are coming.
If you think he isn't athletic you need to watch more tape of him. That's all I can say.
As for Alabama players being crap? What? They probably pan out as much or more than players from any other big school.
Hunter Gathers
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I watched plenty of him. He's not very athletic. Being athletic does not mean he can run fast.
I don't like the way his body moves and I dislike his strength. His strength is a HUGE negative on him. He's a guy that gets by more on his intelligence than anything else.
And who said "crap?" I said mediocre. Is crap somehow mediocre? I'm not saying that Alabama players are like USC QBs. Just that, under Saban, they often don't pan out as they should. If I am targeting someone from Alabama, it'd normally be an offensive lineman
slipknottin
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So being athletic to you means "the way his body moves". That's pretty meaningless. Are you saying he runs funny?
I thought his hips are impressively flexible for a linebacker. He has plenty of length and usually plays with good leverage. He gets to where he needs to be on the field in coverage and against the run.
I thought his hips are impressively flexible for a linebacker. He has plenty of length and usually plays with good leverage. He gets to where he needs to be on the field in coverage and against the run.
Hunter Gathers
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Athletic is everything from speed to flexibility to strength.
See, I don't think his hips are good at all. He has always looked stiff to me and he made that up with his foot speed. The problem with his run coverage is he may get there but he struggles with taking the back down who is coming at him at full speed. It's even worse when he moves to the line. He gets blown back like Herzlich does.
You can like the guy all you want. I don't HATE him. I just don't think he's a top 15 pick. I wouldn't mind grabbing him at the end of the 1st if we move down, but he'd be an awful top 15 pick.
park rangers
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COMPLETELY disagree with the bold.
Tuck had a very good year, perhaps on the fringe of pro bowl caliber. One of his best seasons and is a captain on our team.
Rolle is a guy you CANNOT get rid of. He is the leader of our defense and a veteran amongst mostly younger DB's. He had an outstanding year and was snubbed of a pro bowl spot.
As for Jon Beason, I don't know what else he can do to show fans/giants that he is a legit MLB. Beason immediately made a huge impact on our defense and vastly changed our D for the better. He was IMO the defensive MVP for the Gmen. We've been clamoring for a good to great MLB for a while and have struck out in the draft. We've hit a home run in Beason and you're not impressed?
Cutting Kiwi (as well as letting Tuck go as you've previously stated) would leave us with JPP (coming off knee/back injuries) and Moore at DE who has a total of 60 defensive snaps on his career. As we all now, the Giants thrive when they have great DE play. Getting rid of Tuck and Kiwi would be about as irrational a move the front office could make.
Get rid of most veterans on D? Why? Besides Webster, the vets on D showed up this year. I don't know if you watch every second of every game but our D was far from the problem this year. The offense had an abomination of a season and left our D on the field for over 65% of games; and special teams certainly didn't help.
Simply, rebuild the O-line and add some key acquisitions elsewhere and we can be where we want to be this time next year.
Oh, and fire Gilbride.
surf
Wheres the Reggae?
I keep hearing how great the Jets D is...You guys all say the same thing..all we need is a stud WR and TE blah blah and here we go...Do u people realize you gave up 387 points??? What am I missing here? You think you have a legit D giving up almost 400 points?
First of all i never said our defense is great. Our front 7 is very talented and young. our secondary needs more work/experience. I simply said the jets have a ton of money to spend and have 12 draft picks. the jets were ranked as a bottom 3 team going into this past season and had a .500 record without much talent. they will only get better.
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Sigh. Yup.
At least the Richardson trade is looking better than I thought.
That was a great trade, Richardson is painfully below average. He's strong but is slow as **** and easy to stop.
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