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Injury Report: 2013-2014 Injury News/Discussion (11/9: Nash skates, Pyatt concussed)

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Carl Hagelin, who has been sidelined all season as he rehabs from surgery to repair a torn labrum he underwent following the Rangers’ playoff elimination in late May, has been cleared for contact beginning with Friday’s practice.

“It was a very complex procedure,†Hagelin said on Tuesday. “It’s been tough mentally, but the shoulder has definitely improved a lot over the last month and I think I’m on target.â€

The top-six winger is eligible to come off the Long Term Injury list for the Blueshirts’ Oct. 29 match at the Coliseum against the Islanders.
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http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/derek-stepan-ok-after-getting-hit-in-the-head/

The Rangers have the day off today.
 
I was about to lose it last night when Stepan went to the lockerroom. Like what is this the New York Concussioners?

Nash
Staal
Clowe
Boyle
Powe
Sauer
McDonagh

all in the last few years (Shanny had a bad one too). I'm probably missing some more too. I hope this stops.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
I was about to lose it last night when Stepan went to the lockerroom. Like what is this the New York Concussioners?

Nash
Staal
Clowe
Boyle
Powe
Sauer
McDonagh

all in the last few years (Shanny had a bad one too). I'm probably missing some more too. I hope this stops.
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Some here believe there isn't a pattern of guys getting run and/or injured do to a lack of response or dictation of physical play. That list isn't by any means a conclusive statement to the contrary but it is indeed interesting.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
I was about to lose it last night when Stepan went to the lockerroom. Like what is this the New York Concussioners?

Nash
Staal
Clowe
Boyle
Powe
Sauer
McDonagh

all in the last few years (Shanny had a bad one too). I'm probably missing some more too. I hope this stops.
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Every team in the league has a list like that.
 
Tawnos said:
Every team in the league has a list like that.
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I realize you weren't responding directly to me but care to provide me with that list then? Also how many of those injuries were from illegal or borderline hits and how many were just natural occurrences? Quite a few of those injuries came on hits that either closely walked the line or went completely over it. I'm just pointing out that it's interesting that on a team that lacks players with an edge and mean streak we are seeing so many head shots/dirty hits. It's not definitive by any means but it might not be just a coincidence either.
 
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savebyrichter420 said:
Care to provide me with that list then? Also how many of those injuries were from illegal or borderline hits and how many were just natural occurrences? Not to mention that I was just pointing out that it was interesting and that I clearly stated it wasn't definitive!
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Let's look at our division. And keep in mind I can't get everyone.

Carolina: Skinner, Gleason, Larose, Semin, Pitkanen
Columbus: Wisniewski, Umberger, Anisimov, Mason, Martinek
New Jersey: Carter, Elias, Clowe, Salvador, Clarkson
NY Islanders: Tavares, DiPietro, Montoya, Martinek, Niedereitter, Hamonic
Philadelphia: Pronger, Bourdon, Briere, Giroux, Grossmann, Schenn
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Niskanen, Orpik, Neal, Scuderi
Washington: Backstrom, Johansson, Beagle, Green

And I got those just by searching the team name and concussion. That should be enough evidence to realize this is a league-wide thing. I don't know how many fall into what category in terms of legality, but the distribution is probably the same for all teams on that as well.
 
Concussions did not used to be diagnosed as such not very long ago, that's part of it.

Also back in the day players were leery about hurting other players because there were real repercussions other than the punishment the league gave or did not give them.

The NHL has taken much of the respect and retribution portion out of the game by trying to police it on their own. Fair enough, some of it was out of hand. However in many ways being suspended for a couple games versus having to play that team again when they were literally out to injure you because you injured one of them are different things.
 
Tawnos said:
Let's look at our division. And keep in mind I can't get everyone.

Carolina: Skinner, Gleason, Larose, Semin, Pitkanen
Columbus: Wisniewski, Umberger, Anisimov, Mason, Martinek
New Jersey: Carter, Elias, Clowe, Salvador, Clarkson
NY Islanders: Tavares, DiPietro, Montoya, Martinek, Niedereitter, Hamonic
Philadelphia: Pronger, Bourdon, Briere, Giroux, Grossmann, Schenn
Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Niskanen, Orpik, Neal, Scuderi
Washington: Backstrom, Johansson, Beagle, Green

And I got those just by searching the team name and concussion. That should be enough evidence to realize this is a league-wide thing. I don't know how many fall into what category in terms of legality, but the distribution is probably the same for all teams on that as well.
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Fair enough, thanks for the insight.
 
Inferno said:
Hard to say who deserves the bench more, Pouliot or MZA....it wouldnt surprise me if its Miller...give the kid time to grow in Hartford.
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Pouliot has looked terrible in every facet of the game, mza hasn't shown up on the stat sheet because he's got nothing going chemistry wise however he's been doing the little things right, he looked good on the pk and possessed the puck well, pouliot is a black hole he looks lost on the neutral zone transition and makes stupid plays with the puck anytime he's in the offensive zone with any kind of space
 
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hags will help but really hes not a true top 6 guy. but well take him for sure.

he slots into that 3rd line energy, speed, forecheck, pk, turnover turned into goal kinda guy.

what he does do is make us deeper allowing us to roll 3 good solid lines and eventually 4 solid contributing lines, which is what all competitive teams do.

he and fast together will make us a much quicker, more dangerous team. smurf like, but faster none the less.

im a big hags fan. his speed is intoxicating. but really, we still need that size/hands/scorer guy who can play top 6/1st pp minutes.

i prefer to play miller and sit pouliot.

i say keep playin zuc but hes really a pp skill guy more than a 5on5 skater. he just doesnt have the size or the speed to bang at even strength. i think weve pretty much seen that so far. he works hard but doesnt show anything on the score sheet which is where he needs to be.
 
hagelin on the third line? lol

hes a top forward on this team and our best possession player, why do you think every line he plays on ends up being good? he meshes with everyone. AV is going to love him, he'll play a top 6 role here for the majority of his career.
 
Hagelins a player you can put anywhere and he'll be effective...move him to the top line, that allows a better player to help the 2nd line.
 
He's incredibly consistent too, he should be with Stepan and Nash to give our best goal scorer more time in the offensive zone. Nash also always plays better when he is with a good possession guy, and Hagelin is among the best in the league.
 
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Richards-Brassard-Callahan
Pouliot-Miller-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

Should be the lines. Don't love the third, but if Miller is playing well enough and isn't making too many rookie mistakes, I'd call up Kreider and put him on the LW, Miller and Zuccarello are good skaters and that line could fly. Also Pouliot on the 4th with Boyle and Moore would be among the best 4th lines in the league, use Dorsett as the extra forward when needed.
 
Off Sides said:
Concussions did not used to be diagnosed as such not very long ago, that's part of it.

Also back in the day players were leery about hurting other players because there were real repercussions other than the punishment the league gave or did not give them.

The NHL has taken much of the respect and retribution portion out of the game by trying to police it on their own. Fair enough, some of it was out of hand. However in many ways being suspended for a couple games versus having to play that team again when they were literally out to injure you because you injured one of them are different things.
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Was listening to a discussion on XM NHL Radio the other day and they were talking to a player from the early 80s (forgot who) and he was saying that this whole idea that players had more respect for each other in those days is completely wrong. Players went out of their way to hurt other players and the game was just as dirty then as it is now.

And for someone who grew up during the last decade of the Original 6 as I did, I can certainly vouch for how violent the game was in those days. Bench clearing brawls (no rules against it) were not uncommon. One difference was that there were no dedicated fighters or enforcers. Many of the best players fought regularly, It seems like every game between the Rangers and the Canadians (and they played each other 14 times a year in that era) featured a fight between Vic Hadfield and Henri Richard. The game was, as a whole, much more physical in those days with a lot more hitting perhaps because the players moved slower and were easier targets, and going in front of the net was dangerous and you could expect to be high sticked and cross checked repeatedly with few penalties called,

Hate to think how many concussions those guys picked up playing without helmets (and goalies without masks). Hard to believe now. With so many games between teams, every game was a rivalry game, certain teams hated each other, some players carried on regular feuds.

So lets not yearn for the "good ole days" when players had respect for each other. I don't think they existed.
 
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