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Prospect Info: 2012-2013 Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 7/3) *Part IV*

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greenday said:
Season All Star Team 2012/2013 were:

goalkeeper:
Joacim Eriksson, Skelleftea AIK, 11 votes
Back:
Magnus Nygren, Detroit Red Wings, 8 votes
Back:
Staffan Kronwall, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, 14 votes
Forward:
Jimmie Ericsson, Skellefteå AIK, 15 votes
Forward:
Oscar Lindberg, Skelleftea AIK, 12 votes :handclap:
Forward:
Carl Soderberg, Linköping HC, 13 votes

The vote was Swedish player's efforts in Swedish, Russian or European national series and the Tre Kronor internationals, EHT tournaments and World Cup.

http://www.swehockey.se/Startsidesnyheter/2013/Maj2013/SverigesAllStarTeamsasongen20122013/
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Nygren, Montreal Canadiens.
 
Pizza said:
Where in my post did I say that McIlrath was taking too long to develop? I'm not sure what people are reading.

He's right about where he needs to be after one injury shortened year. I've grown to love this pick. Especially right after a series like the one we just had.

No one respects the Rangers as a physical team. Their back line is competent. Sure, they finish their checks and initiate quite a few. They can shut down goal scorers. But the Rangers intimidate no one. They can not win series long physical battles of attrition over teams like Boston, Pittsburgh or L.A.. We've seen this now for two play off runs in consecutive years. I'm amazed this is not focused on more often. The Rangers are not soft but they can not beat you in the alley. Come play off time you had better be able to with stand that as well as dish it out.

McIlrath is the beginning of an answer to this ongoing problem.
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Absolutely agree with everything you said here. The tough players we have (Asham, Dorsett-even Haley) are smaller tough players. No Chris Neil's--No Milan Lucic's. No Chara's on the back end. That's pretty much why a lot of people were excited about Clowe (not a great skater but a big forward with some skill and a lot of mean). Looking at how Toronto came out of nowhere but Orr, McLaren and Martin kept every team in the league honest. The best teams have a mix of skill and toughness. The players fit comfortably into their roles but they also there are teammates that will have their backs if push comes to shove. It's evident that Boston is one of those teams (Chara, Lucic, Thornton, McQuaid) and Pittsburgh is another.
 
Ian said:
What's the book on Yogan at this point? Has he developed in Hartford, or likely career AHLer?
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He has the size, grit, skating, hands and vision to play at the next level. Pretty good at FO's too. Needs more seasoning though. I suspect he will get a cup of tea next season.
 
Kwayry said:
He has the size, grit, skating, hands and vision to play at the next level. Pretty good at FO's too. Needs more seasoning though. I suspect he will get a cup of tea next season.
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This. He looked decently in the AHL this year. He'll get a look in camp, but needs time yet.
 
Ian said:
What's the book on Yogan at this point? Has he developed in Hartford, or likely career AHLer?
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Kwayry said:
He has the size, grit, skating, hands and vision to play at the next level. Pretty good at FO's too. Needs more seasoning though. I suspect he will get a cup of tea next season.
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Joey Bones said:
This. He looked decently in the AHL this year. He'll get a look in camp, but needs time yet.
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He missed a significant chunk of major development time with an injury which was unfortunate. He has the skills, size and skating to be an effective bottom-6 player but the issue prior to this season, was that he was not effective unless getting big minutes. He had problems engaging when given 10-12 minutes a game.

He was sent down to the ECHL due to the depth that started the year in Hartford and the fact that he needed lots of minutes. He found his game down there with almost a ppg and then came back up and was effective using his body and driving hard to the net. That is when he is effective. He has to drive tot he net with his size and strength.

I would say he needs at least another full year in the AHL and to get to ~ 40-45 points at least. He also needs to continue to get stronger and play with a bit of a mean streak to have a shot of moving up and like all young players, consistency is key.

I was high on him when he was drafted so maybe I am a bit biased, but I think the Rangers have a future NHLer on their hands with Yogan.
 
Bluenote13 said:
It's not even 3 years since that draft, relax, just goes to show how awful youe evalutions can be, you think 3 years is the perfect time to measure a drafts worth. You need to stick to the NFL. :p:.
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I think 3 years is plenty of time to review the 1st round in. Gudbranson, Fowler, Burmi, Johansen, and Nino all look like they will be mediocre players. Skinner has slowed down since his great rookie year.

Tarasenko looks like a decent player but far from a superstar.

Not saying the draft sucks. But I considered it one of the deepest drafts in years. I think it will produce a lot of decent - solid players, but not the large amount of top line guys it looked like it had.
 
What is going on with Noreau, am I correct to say that if he does not sign by the end of this week, he re-enters the draft? What the hell is taking so long?
 
NYR21 said:
What's your definition of mediocre? Seems a bit harsh.
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Relative to draft position/expectation? It's a fair assessment. None look like they're going to be top flight players as was predicted.
 
NYR21 said:
What's your definition of mediocre? Seems a bit harsh.
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How is it harsh? I think those guys look to be capping out as 2nd/3rd liners. The draft was supposed to be loaded with top line players and multiple stars. I certainly thought so when I was scouting it.

It's "only" three years out and a lot can change, but I'm not sure if it will.
 
IIRC, they waited until the last minute to sign Lindberg and Fast as well. Noreau has done nothing but improve since they picked him. I'm sure we'll get him signed.
 
I agree with the general consensus on Yogan, except I don't see him as a faceoff guy in the NHL. He plays the LW and rarely takes faceoffs.

His biggest problem is the time he lost due to injury. Good size, speed, hands, hussle. The lack of maturity is sometimes showing, but he's not less mature than the average AHLer his age.

Exciting to watch as a player because he created chances by using his size and speed on the forecheck.

Had he not lost time to injury, he'd be a strong competitor to make the Rangers next year.

He needs to show progress in his overall game this year. A 25-25 season is something I fully expect from him.
 
iamitter said:
We're getting a large number of bodies for our forward corps next year on the wolfpack. Just let him walk.
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I'd rather sign him to an AHL deal and then loan him to Greenville. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and the kid turns it on, and forces his way into the AHL and eventually an NHL deal. No downside to giving him an AHL deal, really.

If Dan Hobbs and Max Campbell can get AHL deals, McColgan should get one as well.
 
McColgan and Ceresnak not offered deals. They'll be in the draft.

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 3m
#NYR 2011 draft picks RW Shane McColgan (5th round) and D Peter Ceresnak (6th) were not offered contracts and eligible for June 30th draft.
 
While McColgan seems to have stalled in terms of offense, I would still be interested in keeping him. He plays with an edge and while he's smaller in stature, he is quite good at getting opposing forwards off their game. He's easily worth an AHL deal on that alone, IMO. A bit surprised by this.
 
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