OT: 2012-13 Lockout Discussion Part XI: The "Please make it stop" edition.

[gary laser eyes]

So pretty much all the players, and probably about half of the owners want a higher cap in year 2, but the hardline/small market owners are making a stance? WTF!

 

[Championship*]

@NYDNRangers: Issue of #NHL seeking $60 million cap in 2013-14 season, while #NHLPA will go no lower than $65 mil, is a HUGE one

Yeah real minor...

 

[The Gloaming]

So the owners don't want a high cap of 65M because the floor would be higher.

I would think the bottom teams would have no problem making the floor, considering the fact that the cap would be 70.2M this year.

If you didn't know it already, this league is run by morons.

 

[Fitzy]

The Big market teams should split off and start a competitor league with no salary cap.

That's right. I went there.

 

[RGY]

Compromise at $63.5 million.

 

[truebluegoalie]

Compromise at $63.5 million.

What is this compromise of which you speak?

There will be no compromise......

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yeah real minor...

just because they are too dumb to know the meaning of compromise doesn't make it a huge issue to everyone else.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Compromise at $63.5 million.

they don't know the meaning of that word, anyone got a dictionary?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The NHLPA's current main argument is likely centered around how hockey fans are sheep and will be back buying t-shirts and $9 beers. They'll be back, so make it $65M, please.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

just because they are too dumb to know the meaning of compromise doesn't make it a huge issue to everyone else.

This is THE issue.

If you thought is was settled, or is easy to settle, you've just been fooling yourself.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is THE issue.

If you thought is was settled, or is easy to settle, you've just been fooling yourself.

ok, I know its a huge issue, but it shouldn't be thats the point.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

ok, I know its a huge issue, but it shouldn't be thats the point.

Its a decision thats result could be 9 figures.

...having to be made with virtually no baseline, and no compass regarding just how much damage their idiotic actions (and inactions) have done to the league.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Anyway, forget Fehr filing , I'm filing my DOI towards the NHL. I'll find out when I find out season or no season, until then I'm done worrying about this lockout and letting it take up any more of my time. see ya guys hopefully when the season starts.

 

[Levitate]

Its a decision thats result could be 9 figures.

...having to be made with virtually no baseline, and no compass regarding just how much damage their idiotic actions (and inactions) have done to the league.

Escrow and the revenue split will alleviate any revenue issues with a cap over $60 mill next year, literally all that keeping the cap at $60 mill does is **** things up royally for some big market teams

 

[DutchShamrock]

The NHLPA's current main argument is likely centered around how hockey fans are sheep and will be back buying t-shirts and $9 beers. They'll be back, so make it $65M, please.

Why is this attitude necessary? There are options available like keeping a lower floor with a higher ceiling for one season.

Cry baby small markets will take their 8 votes and hold the league hostage unless they get everything. That's the whiny pro player version of your post.

 

[Giglio NYR15]

The Big market teams should split off and start a competitor league with no salary cap.

That's right. I went there.

lol said the same thing earlier.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Can't believe the league is digging in on a cap ceiling teams are not required to spend to.

 

[RGY]

Are they even meeting right now?

 

[BBKers]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4hYOrjFUhfiR2ZQTjdSdWN3dHM/view?sle=true

What about the game? Read this ... I just did... ugh

Regarding setting the capfloor for next year at $45 M - that some small market teams are insisting on- look at this:

SIGNED PLAYERS 2013/2014

Montreal
$60,160,476 = -$160,476 in capspace
16 players signed - missing 7 players
Average caphit remaining players = 0
UFA (Armstrong, Nokelainen, Bouillon, Budaj)
RFA (Desharnais, White, Weber)
PK Subban still unsigned as RFA for the 2013 season
Bye Bye Scott Gomez

Tampa Bay
$57,534,416 = $2,465,584 in capspace
15 players signed - missing 8 players
Average caphit remaining players = $308,198
UFA (Crombeen, Thompson, Hall, Wyman, Bergeron, Garon)
RFA (Pouliot, Mikkelson)

Philadelphia
$57,473,095 = $2,526,905 in capspace
16 players signed - missing 7 players
Average caphit remaining players = $360,986
UFA (Fedotenko, Shelly, Timonen, Lilja, Leighton)
RFA (Wellwood, Rinaldo)
Pronger LTIR???

Boston
$57,351,310 = $2,648,690 in capspace
16 players signed - missing 7 players
Average caphit remaining players = $378,384
UFA (Horton, Ference, Johnson, Thomas, Khudobin)
RFA (Caron)

Chicago
$57,211,795 = $2,788,205 in capspace
17 players signed excluding Olesz - missing 6 players
Average caphit remaining players = $464,701
UFA (Stalberg, Mayers, Bickell, Roszival, Emery)
RFA (Kruger, Leddy)

Vancouver
$55,403,333 =$4,596,667 in capspace
13 players signed - missing 10 players
Average caphit remaining players = $459,667
UFA (Malhotra, Mason,Higgins, Lapierre, Ebbett, Volpatti, Edler, Alberts )
RFA (Tanev, Weise)

San Jose
$54,339,167 = $5,660,833 in capspace
14 players signed - missing 9 players
Average caphit remaining players = $628,981
UFA (Clowe, Handzus, Murray, Greiss)
RFA (Galiardi, Desjardins, Demers)

Pittsburgh
$52,583,333 = $7,416,667 in capspace
15 players signed - missing 8 players
Average caphit = $927,083
UFA (Cooke, Dupuis, Adams, Lovejoy)
RFA (Kennedy, Tangradi, Jeffry, Strait)

New York Rangers
$51,841,667 = $8,158,333 in cap space
16 players signed (excluding Redden) - missing 7 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,165,476
UFA (Halpern, Eminger)
RFA (Stepan, Hagelin, McDonaugh, Sauer)
Michael del Zotto still unsigned as RFA for the 2013 season

Minnesota
$51,129,701 = $8,870,299 in capspace
16 players signed - missing 7 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,267,185
UFA (Bouchard, Cullen, Backstrom)
RFA (Clutterbuck, Scandella, Falk, Spurgeon)

Carolina
$50,737,500 = $9,262,500
15 players signed - missing 8 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,157,823
UFA (Semin, Larose, Stewart, Brent, Wallace, Corvo, Boucher)
RFA (Nodl)

Buffalo
$49,642,857 = $10,357,143 in capspace
14 players signed - missing 9 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,150,794
UFA (Scott, Ellis, Regehr, Leopold, Pardy, Sulzer)
RFA (Hodgson, Weber, Brennan, Enroth)

Los Angeles
$49,447,727 = $10,552,273 in capspace
13 players signed - missing 10 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,055,227
UFA (Gagne, Penner, Richardson, Scuderi, Drewskie)
RFA (Clifford, Lewis, Nolan, Voynov, Martinez, Bernier)

Colorado
$49,258,333 = $10,741,667 in capspace
19 players signed - missing 4 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,685,417
UFA (Hejduk, Kobasew, O´Byrne)
RFA (none)
Ryan O´Reilly still unsigned as RFA for the 2013 season

Edmonton
$48,450,000= $11,550,000 in capspace
14 players signed - missing 9 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,283,333
UFA (Jones, Hordichuk, Petrell, Whitney, Smid, Sutton, Khabibulin)
RFA (Gagner, Hartikainen, Peckham)

Calgary
$47,870,833 = $12,129,167 in capspace
14 players signed - missing 9 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,347,685
UFA (Iginla, Cervenka, Comeau, Babchuk, Karlsson)
RFA (Backlund, Bouma, Butler, Brodie)

Nashville
$45,422,143 = $14,577,857 in capspace
13 players signed - missing 10 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,457,779
UFA (Yip, McGratton, Hannon, Mason)
RFA (Hornqvist, Spaling, Halsischuk, MacLellan, Josi)

Detroit
$45,146,212 = 14,853,788 in capspace
15 players signed - missing 8 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,856,724
UFA (Filppula, Cleary, Brunner, Miller, White, Howard)
RFA (Nyquist, Mursak, Kidl, Smith)

Washington
$44,805,128 = 15,194,872 in capspace
12 players signed - missing 11 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,381,352
UFA (Ribeiro, Crabb, Hendricks, Wolski, Hamrlik, Poti, Erskine, Hillen)
RFA (Johansson, Alzner, Neuvirth, Holtby)

Columbus
$42,850,476 = $17,149,524 in capspace
19 players signed - missing 8 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,143,691
UFA (Prospal, Aucoin, Letestu)
RFA (Anisimov, Atkinson, Gillies, Mason, Bobrovsky, Allen)

Florida
$41,888,708 = $18,111,292 in capspace
12 players signed - missing 11 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,646,481
UFA (Weiss, Smithson, Theodore)
RFA (Ellerby, Mueller, Santorelli, Maththias, Skille, Wellman)
Dmitry Kulikov still unsigned as RFA for the 2013 season

Toronto
$41,515,833 = $18,484,167 in capspace
12 players signed - missing 11 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,680,379
UFA (Connolly, Lupul, Lombardi, MacArthur, Bozak, Steckel)
RFA (Kadri, Gunnarsson, Holzer)
Cody Fransson still unsigned as RFA for 2013 season

Ottawa
$39,055,000 = $20,945,000 in capspace
13 players signed - missing 10 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,094,500
UFA (Alfredsson, Latendresse, Regin, Gonchar, Lundin)
RFA (Daugavins, Condra, Bishop)
Only 21 players signed for 2013 season

Dallas
$34,096,111 =$2,5903,889
14 players signed - missing 9 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,878,210
UFA (Jagr, Morrow, Roy, Ryder, Nystrom, Fistric)
RFA (Wandell, Vincour, Bell, Bachman)
Jamie Benn still unsigned as RFA for 2013 season

Winnipeg
$33,166,667 = $25,903,889 in capspace
9 players signed - missing 14 players
Average caphit remaining players = $1,916,667
UFA (Antropov, Ponikarovsky, Wellwood, Miettinen, Hainsey, Clitsome, Montoya)
RFA (Burmistrov, Cormier, Machacek, Bogosian, Postma)

Phoenix
$32,962,500 = $27,037,500 in capspace
10 players signed - missing 13 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,079,807
UFA (Sullivan, Torres, Gordon, Johnson, Chipchura, Smith, LaBarbera)
RFA (Ekman-Larsson, Stone, Summers, Schlemko)

Anaheim
$32,839,167 = $27,160,833 in capspace
12 players signed - missing 11 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,469,167
UFA (Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne, Koivu, Lydman, Guenin, D.-Deslauriers)
RFA (Palmieri, McMillan, Beleskey)

New Jersey
$32,362,500 = $27,637,500 in capspace
13 players signed - missing 10 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,763,750
UFA (Elias, Zajac, Zubrus, Clarkson, Janssen, Zidlicky, Harrold)
RFA (Josefson, Henrique)

St Louis
$32,133,333 = $27,866,667 in capspace
12 players signed - missing 11 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,533,333
UFA (McDonald, Langenbrunner, Nichol, Porter)
RFA (Stewart, Berglund, D´Agostini, Pietrangelo, Russell, Cole, Shattenkirk)

New York Islanders
$31,507,333 = $28,492,667 in capspace
12 players signed - missing 11 players
Average caphit remaining players = $2,590,242
UFA (Reasoner, Boyes, Boulton, Visnovsky, Streit, Nabokov)
RFA (Bailey, Joensuu, Hamonic, Wishart)

TOTAL # of PLAYERS SIGNED after 2013/2014 = 411
TOTAL # PLAYERS REMAINING = 273
UNSIGNED RFAs for 2013 = 6

TOTAL POSSIBLE SALARY - $1,800,000,000
TOTAL SALARY SIGNED - $1,319,208,170
TOTAL SALARY REMAINNG (THEORETICAL) - $480,791,830
Average salary NHL (if all teams go top capmax - which they of course will not) -
Average salary for signed players - $3,209,752
Average maximum signing (if all teams go top capmax - which they of course will not) = $1,761,142

A buyout will not change this
How many teams under $45M???

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Can't believe the league is digging in on a cap ceiling teams are not required to spend to.

Why?

Good players flooding the market at cheap prices? Seems just like the short-sited "fix" that Bettman is famous for.

"Come on out Columbus, and watch Marian Gaborik lead the Jackets!"

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This is what its come down to? Not coming to a compromise for a cap figure +/- 5M, are you ****ing serious?

If the small markets teams are whining so much about lowering the floor and ceiling, maybe they shouldn't be in a major sports league thats in the midst of a 110 day labor strife because of them. (Or should I say, the commissioner allowing them to exist).

If the cap was going up to 70+ and has increased each year with significant growth of the sport recorded, why is 5 M such an issue? And has anyone spoken of the fact that revenue sharing is going to be featured in this new agreement? Does that money in the small market teams' pocket (coming from the outrageous ticket prices in places like Manhattan) account for ANYTHING?

**** them. Make it 63M and be done with it so certain teams who actually have an extended fan base dont have to watch their teams get dismantled to get under the cap.

 

[Desdichado93]

Henrik Lundqvist are following the negotiations with "great excitement" (probably journalist exaggeration).
from his home in NY and he is convinced that they soon will reach a solution (deal)

Lundqvist says to Swedish tv that he believes and hopes that a deal will be made.

He says that its good that both parts are talking to each other in
a serious way and that it looks "bright" for a deal to be made.

"-If the the whole season would be cancelled, it would be a huge loss however my
"gut" is that there are big possibilities that the matter will be solved."

http://www.svt.se/sport/lundqvist-tror-pa-nhl-losning

 

[BBKers]

What is next move by NHL?

"We are taking everything we generously offered the players off the table - again" ~ Bettman

or

"$60 M is the pile of Treasury notes we will die on" ~ Daly

or

"We are going to see you in court. And you will regret it - longhorns" ~ Batterman

 

[we want cup]

The Big market teams should split off and start a competitor league with no salary cap.

That's right. I went there.

Maybe some kind of relegation system?

 

[Kane One]

Maybe some kind of relegation system?

Relegation is never going to happen.