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OMG67

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Equipment restrictions were the demise of the smaller goalie

I think 6’0” is the safe minimum for the OHL. The equipment restriction may have an effect but with the way they design the goalie pads and how they stay fully square when down, it covers a lot of area. Granted, it used to cover more area but I find the goalies are also moving better with less bulky equipment.
 

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I think 6’0” is the safe minimum for the OHL. The equipment restriction may have an effect but with the way they design the goalie pads and how they stay fully square when down, it covers a lot of area. Granted, it used to cover more area but I find the goalies are also moving better with less bulky equipment.
Yeah, I was thinking pro when you listed 6’2”
 

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Yeah, I was thinking pro when you listed 6’2”
That’s what I meant…Pro. I think at the OHL Level, size is a little less of a factor because there are only so many skilled guys at 6’1” and taller. So, 6’
0” for goalies in the OHL seems fine.

Most of the tall kids don’t have early growth spurts so the taller kids grow extra inches post-draft and then have to fill into their new frame.
 
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For anyone interested in the battle for first overall series in the Alliance. Brady Martin takes round 1 with a 2 G, 2 A performance to Ryan Robroeck's 1 G. It's nice to see an otherwise meaningless series have some extra interest.
 

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you can still trade him outright for draft picks, just not get the extra 1st the next year.

With that in mind, if I’m Niagara, with one of my picks, I take the BPA who’ll come to the league and trade him if he doesn’t report. The return for a high end first, comp pick bedamned, trumps having to settle for a much lesser player who will report.

I go back to Bert Templeton in Sudbury having to take a 2nd round ranked player in the first round because nobody else would report.

Give me the 3x2nds and 3x3rds.
 

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That’s what I meant…Pro. I think at the OHL Level, size is a little less of a factor because there are only so many skilled guys at 6’1” and taller. So, 6’
0” for goalies in the OHL seems fine.

Most of the tall kids don’t have early growth spurts so the taller kids grow extra inches post-draft and then have to fill into their new frame.
Personally, I would look more to their play style and stance than focus so much on their height. There's a lot of tall goalies that make themselves small with their stance or fall forward on their stomachs sliding laterally opening up the upper half of the net. An athletic 6' goalie that can stay upright on their Z axis can play "big" in the net vs a 6'5" goalie that is prone to falling forward on their stomach.

We have Carter George in Owen Sound this year and he's exceptional in my opinion at playing big as a 6' goalie. He rarely over slides or falls on his stomach moving laterally to maintain his angles and fill the net. Obviously the bigger kids have a better chance of having a puck hit them but often in my opinion struggle with closing the seams(five hole and armpit areas) due to the lankier frame and can be prone to bleeders squeaking through.

I think in general hockey has gotten too obsessed with goalies with size vs goalies with good technique and stance. Occasionally you can get both size and good technique but it seems more often than not they draft size and hope to teach the rest. Just my two cents.
 

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Personally, I would look more to their play style and stance than focus so much on their height. There's a lot of tall goalies that make themselves small with their stance or fall forward on their stomachs sliding laterally opening up the upper half of the net. An athletic 6' goalie that can stay upright on their Z axis can play "big" in the net vs a 6'5" goalie that is prone to falling forward on their stomach.

We have Carter George in Owen Sound this year and he's exceptional in my opinion at playing big as a 6' goalie. He rarely over slides or falls on his stomach moving laterally to maintain his angles and fill the net. Obviously the bigger kids have a better chance of having a puck hit them but often in my opinion struggle with closing the seams(five hole and armpit areas) due to the lankier frame and can be prone to bleeders squeaking through.

I think in general hockey has gotten too obsessed with goalies with size vs goalies with good technique and stance. Occasionally you can get both size and good technique but it seems more often than not they draft size and hope to teach the rest. Just my two cents.

I think the convo is based on generalized terms. Generally speaking, the bigger players are more sought after at the deadline so why no draft them instead of trade for them?
 

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With that in mind, if I’m Niagara, with one of my picks, I take the BPA who’ll come to the league and trade him if he doesn’t report. The return for a high end first, comp pick bedamned, trumps having to settle for a much lesser player who will report.

I go back to Bert Templeton in Sudbury having to take a 2nd round ranked player in the first round because nobody else would report.

Give me the 3x2nds and 3x3rds.
Niagara or any team cant get supplemental picks in back to back years. So if their first round picks dont show, they are SOL in respect to a supplemental pick next year
 

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I think the convo is based on generalized terms. Generally speaking, the bigger players are more sought after at the deadline so why no draft them instead of trade for them?
100% they are sought after. I just disagree with the modern hockey philosophy of not drafting sub 6'2" goalies in general. I think at times they focus too much on size and not enough on how they actually play. So many bigger goalies get picked as projects because they think they can coach the technique and details into their games, or at least enough to make them more than just a guy who's big and gets in the way of pucks. It honestly feels like hockey people don't get goaltending and so just default to bigger is better lol. The skills and technique that go into rebound control, puck handling, skating ability(something that I think is personally undervalued), positional awareness relative to the net are all things that seemingly get over looked in favor of size.

The goalie with size often grades better than the smaller goalie with the better skill set the way things stand now. Somewhere along the way we stopped looking at goalies as stopping pucks and moved to goalies blocking pucks, basically just being in the way. The finer arts and skill of the position has been somewhat lost in my opinion.
 

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Niagara or any team cant get supplemental picks in back to back years. So if their first round picks dont show, they are SOL in respect to a supplemental pick next year
That’s right. But if the player they select who will report, is that much a lesser player, then it may make sense for them to do a Dickinson scenario all over again.

No, they wouldn’t get the comp 1st rounder, but the 2nds and 3rds they would get may be worth more to them than a player who will report to them if that player is ranked later in the 1st round.

And because they wouldn’t get a comp pick, they could wait til the January trade deadline and move him for players/picks.

They’ll already have used one 1st rounder on a player and have him in the lineup to aid in the rebuild. Add to that the assets gained from moving a high end 16 year old and they may be further ahead than they’d be with the two players who will report to them.

Really, picking 2nd and 5th, are they going to get close to the value of these selections by taking the best player who’ll report with both picks?
 

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That’s right. But if the player they select who will report, is that much a lesser player, then it may make sense for them to do a Dickinson scenario all over again.

No, they wouldn’t get the comp 1st rounder, but the 2nds and 3rds they would get may be worth more to them than a player who will report to them if that player is ranked later in the 1st round.

And because they wouldn’t get a comp pick, they could wait til the January trade deadline and move him for players/picks.

They’ll already have used one 1st rounder on a player and have him in the lineup to aid in the rebuild. Add to that the assets gained from moving a high end 16 year old and they may be further ahead than they’d be with the two players who will report to them.

Really, picking 2nd and 5th, are they going to get close to the value of these selections by taking the best player who’ll report with both picks?

My opinion is quite clear. If there is a significant gap in value between the players ratings at the position Niagara is picking and the players indicating they will report, they need to draft the best available players they know will play in the OHL. They would have a window of 7 months to get them signed and if they don’t sign, they can work with the player to find a landing spot at the deadline via trade. They cannot start drafting 20th ranked players at #2. That’s a just ridiculous.
 

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Roobrek has already stated that he won't report to Niagara. So I can't see them drafting him as there won't be any compansion pick for next year as you can not have two in a row compansion picks in a row but we are talking about Niagara.
 

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Roobrek has already stated that he won't report to Niagara. So I can't see them drafting him as there won't be any compansion pick for next year as you can not have two in a row compansion picks in a row but we are talking about Niagara.

They can still try to sign him and if he doesn’t sign. They can trade his rights at the deadline. Maybe adding three 2nds and three 3rds at the deadline is better than picking the 15th ranked player because that 15th ranked guy is the best that will report. The question then becomes whether the six high picks are worth more than the 15th ranked player? Again, that is assuming none of the top 10-15 will report, leaving Niagara in a tough spot.
 
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The powers that be that actually run the league should be concerned that the top ten players eligible for the OHL Priority Draft refuse to go to certain franchises year after year. It does add an element of mickey mouse to the draft proceedings when a franchise in your league is considered a non factor or meaningless . Niagara does get decent crowds in their building I believe. It's not like most of these players are the next Conor Bedard. Many just turn into average players that aren't even given a cup of coffee in the AHL in the end.
 
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The powers that be that actually run the league should be concerned that the ten players eligible for the OHL Priority Draft refuse to go to certain franchises year after year. It does add an element of mickey mouse to the draft proceedings when a franchise in your league is considered a non factor or meaningless . Niagara does get decent crowds in their building I believe. It's not like most of these players are the next Conor Bedard. Many just turn into average players that don't aren't even given a cup of coffee in the AHL in the end.
The Niagara situation appears dire. They need to turn it around in a hurry.

I doubt they can survive by annually dealing with Project Chopped Liver.
 

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The powers that be that actually run the league should be concerned that the ten players eligible for the OHL Priority Draft refuse to go to certain franchises year after year. It does add an element of mickey mouse to the draft proceedings when a franchise in your league is considered a non factor or meaningless . Niagara does get decent crowds in their building I believe. It's not like most of these players are the next Conor Bedard. Many just turn into average players that don't aren't even given a cup of coffee in the AHL in the end.
Until the league institutes a league rule that OHL prospects can only enter the OHL draft if they have no intentions of committing to US College or the US Development program and if they do it will make them ineligible for the Priority selection. And must report to whatever team drafts them. With a rule like this and allowing 1st round picks to be dealt like the WHL will clean up the games being played by certain teams. Just my two cents. Might suck for a couple of years of missing out on some good players but it will stop teams getting a top 5 pick at 20 and top US players that initially committed to school changing their mind after being selected by the Londons lets just say in the 4th or 5th round or even later.

Would make the league more credible imo. As well you might see players who never been given a chance develop and have an opportunity. Later round players being selected earlier and who knows they might blossom under the right team and become pro. The one thing that really irks me is how players picked early all the time get selected for the under 17 when players picked later might be playing or adjusting to the league faster or easier.

WJ
 
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I would be ok with teams moving up or down in the 1st round during the pick trading period one week prior to the priority draft

That’s a good idea. You aren’t trading your first because it would need to be a trade for a pick with only other picks being eligible to be used to move up and down.

Sometimes you come up with good ideas! :cool:
 
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Other CHL Leagues are allowed to trade their first round picks, including future 1st round picks.
 

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I think the OHL does it best.

Saves teams from themselves and makes the 16 year old you picked more valuable.
Do you think it makes it harder to compete with other team at the Mem though? Less assets to stack up... or does it make other assets more valuable?

You can kind of trade picks in a two part trade though like Oshawa did with Castle to get Tomaisno. Which also got them Danford because they declared Castle defected... not sure why more teams do not do that genius really.
 
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You can kind of trade picks in a two part trade though like Oshawa did with Castle to get Tomaisno. Which also got them Danford because they declared Castle defected... not sure why more teams do not do that genius really.
Because there is supposedly a rule that says you can’t do that but the OHL doesn’t govern themselves that well. There have been many obvious 2 part trades over the years with zero repercussions but I’m sure some of the small market teams feel they won’t be so lucky getting away with it
 

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Do you think it makes it harder to compete with other team at the Mem though? Less assets to stack up... or does it make other assets more valuable?

You can kind of trade picks in a two part trade though like Oshawa did with Castle to get Tomaisno. Which also got them Danford because they declared Castle defected... not sure why more teams do not do that genius really.
This is the one problem that I kind of have with it. You have a championship tournament at the end of the season with teams that don't have the same rules as far as trades go.
 

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