Post-Game Talk: From the jaws of defeat…

[Tobias Kahun]

For the record… I don’t think Skinner is the answer. But at 2.6 I’ve got time for him in tandem.

Also for the record… I don’t think some of you… you in particular… know F-all about goaltending.

I’m sure he knows goalies shouldn’t be allowing goals from behind the net.

By being on their knees in a RVH when there’s no one else even in the zone

 

[bucks_oil]

I gave skinner props every win the last while, but I don't see it with him. He's done to me. I want him as the backup and don't want to waste another prime cup run

When he can play consistent over a full year without falling into his multi game 0.800 slides, I'll give him credit

The bottom line is, this team, more often than not, wins in spite of him

He does not inspire confidence at all to me when I watch him play. He's not clutch.

I remember maybe 3-4 games tops in two years where I said man skinner held us in this game. That's not enough.

You cannot have a goalie go full ***ard in the playoffs because it's not long like an 82 game season. He got bailed out round one

I'd rather not take the chance again. I've seen enough.

Stats don't lie. Call me when he even hits the average company in metrics. He's still down at the bottom

That's all. This org should grow him as a backup. If he wants a raise, go pound sand

So what’s your solution then?

Skinner is the 13th highest paid player on the team and you want him performing at a level he’s frankly not capable of, nor is he paid to be.

If you want top performing goalie you need to pay for it and tell us what sacrifice you are willing to make to find the money.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think I know a poster or 2 on here that might have made that call! Lol jk don't get all mad at me people

I think its odd the entirety of discussion seems to be focused on the goals. I get more concerned, or as much about the brutal plays Skinner makes that aren't getting punished. Because he continues to make those.

How about the clusterf*** Skinner pass right into his slot from behind the net in first period. WTF is that? Or the coming out of net, passing to D that is covered and then keystone cops getting back to net and just hoping his D doesn't get stripped. The number of hot passes Skinner gives his D is ridiculous.

In the third Debrusk somehow credits Skinner for waiting way too long to play puck and Pasta just being a foot away from the strip. You could hear the crowd audibly gasp on that one too. The crowd realizing it was 2-2, there were boo's as well. First time I've heard it directed at Skinner. I mean he's playing on a club that just tied the game, the team is a cheat code in OT, and he's playing 50/50 chips with the only Dangerous Bruin player instead of playing that safe like anybody with a brain would do. you just want to bang your head at the decision making.

Debrusk described it as a "confident play" Its a play I'm never confident about watching Skins play with fire. Skinner creates dangerous plays where none otherwise exist. Its not just the goals he allows its his decisions on ice or with the puck.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

So what’s your solution then?

Skinner is the 13th highest paid player on the team and you want him performing at a level he’s frankly not capable of, nor is he paid to be.

If you want top performing goalie you need to pay for it and tell us what sacrifice you are willing to make to find the money.

He’s the 13th highest paid player on the team and still underperforming

I think its odd the entirety of discussion seems to be focused on the goals. I get more concerned, or as much about the brutal plays Skinner makes that aren't getting punished. Because he continues to make those.

How about the clusterf*** Skinner pass right into his slot from behind the net in first period. WTF is that? Or the coming out of net, passing to D that is covered and then keystone cops getting back to net and just hoping his D doesn't get stripped. The number of hot passes Skinner gives his D is ridiculous.

In the third Debrusk somehow credits Skinner for waiting way too long to play puck and Pasta just being a foot away from the strip. You could hear the crowd audibly gasp on that one too. The crowd realizing it was 2-2, there were boo's as well. First time I've heard it directed at Skinner. I mean he's playing on a club that just tied the game, the team is a cheat code in OT, and he's playing 50/50 chips with the only Dangerous Bruin player instead of playing that safe like anybody with a brain would do. you just want to bang your head at the decision making.

Debrusk described it as a "confident play" Its a play I'm never confident about watching Skins play with fire. Skinner creates dangerous plays where none otherwise exist. Its not just the goals he allows its his decisions on ice or with the puck.

I’d say it’s more of skinner having no awareness or ability to see what’s happening

 

[iCanada]

He missed camp didn't he? Hasn't looked like the same goalie. He'll get back to form and the Bruins are sure needing it. Bruins club looks ready to implode. I was saying the same thing about the Rangers when they came threw here. Teams that think they are much better than they are. Without some of the players on that team who are the workboots that team would have had nothing tonight. The first line was awful.

Swayman did miss camp, but to be honest, I think he was pretty good to start the year but the Bruins themselves were just kind of awful. His boxcars were bad, but analytically he was really good - just bruins were letting up a lot of chances and hanging him out to dry.

And then it kind of snowballed on him and he's gotten progressively worse and worse as the Bruins have gotten progressively better.

Statistically he's been in absolute free fall down this chart game after game. Ironically, this was probably one of his better games lately. Start of this road trip he had three Skinner vs Florida games straight.

I also think you're a little harsh on the Bs - Idk - they're a low event lunch pail club that I find hard to watch, but honestly I think they are kind of good in the same way a lot of those late 90s early 2000s Oilers clubs were good, just without the AHL budget thing. I think we're just spoiled with the talent level of our own club, tbh. I also think we deserve credit for making Marchand and Pasta look bad - outside of McDrai+Hyman/Nuge, they've been the highest scoring line in the NHL by a mile, and statistically they're just as good this year as they've been in years past.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

So what’s your solution then?

Skinner is the 13th highest paid player on the team and you want him performing at a level he’s frankly not capable of, nor is he paid to be.

If you want top performing goalie you need to pay for it and tell us what sacrifice you are willing to make to find the money.

I'll say this though

Some of us, me and a bunch of others, really rag on skinner

I know it gets annoying

Swayman is making 8.5 and I think half of his starts are sub 900....

Skinners doing better than that

I don't want to just chuck skinner aside. Change the damn goalie coach or bring in a guy to play just as much or closer to his games. Push one another

They won't do that with pickard

My guy is gone to Colorado. Losing 2-1 and has a 926. He will be having close to a 0.920 soon. He's already averaging 914.

 

[bucks_oil]

Out dueling Swayman isn't the statement you think it is this year. It's more akin to saying that a defenseman looks better than Cody Ceci.

Analytically - every goaltender in the league out duels Swayman this year.

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I live in Boston… I’m well aware of Swayman’s current struggles.

I’d probably still take him, but it would mean bye bye to two of Kane, Nuge and Hyman.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[TB12]

Stud. Should be getting way more Hart love this year. So happy he's signed for 8 more years.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Might be one of the worst games I've ever seen Pasta play. Clearly has zero confidence right now. Was bumbling everything.

He was an absolute gong show. He's a real twitch player when he's off. Making random plays instead of cerebral plays tonight. Just making the wrong reads all the time and trying to do too much and not simplify. He's got the puck man on man with Skinner 5mins left, game on his stick and he passes it behind and the shot gets blocked. That is just stupid. He's a great player, he is, but on his off games he made several goof up plays tonight not only squandering chances but giving the Oilers plenty. he was a turnover machine tonight, and on two of our goals. The sum I get is he's trying to do to much, and he's unforturnately in a roster situation where he has to. Marchand is pretty much done. You look at the Boston lineup and after its what? They really thought Lindholm could be a star player. What did they think? They have some decent workboot players i like but you need star players to score. you need some. I just don't see the goals coming in this Bruins lineup.

Now consider that through much of his career he had worse linemates for a significant amount of his EV toi than anybody on that list.

 

[Oilhawks]

Haha .. wow. Some idiot just called in to CHED and said that Skinner reminds him of Luongo and suggested that Skinner would be the ideal captain for this team if only goalies were allowed to wear the C. What the actual f***?

Probably one of his fan club members from here or Reddit

 

[bucks_oil]

I'll say this though

Some of us, me and a bunch of others, really rag on skinner

I know it gets annoying

I wouldn’t say annoying… more persecutory.

This level of criticism should be reserved for the guys that are eating up our cap and expected to cover the investment we’ve made.

If we actually cared enough about goaltending to invest in it, well then we could be entitled to complain.

As it is… many of you sound like whiney, ENTITLED, little you know whats.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Swayman did miss camp, but to be honest, I think he was pretty good to start the year but the Bruins themselves were just kind of awful. His boxcars were bad, but analytically he was really good - just bruins were letting up a lot of chances and hanging him out to dry.

And then it kind of snowballed on him and he's gotten progressively worse and worse as the Bruins have gotten progressively better.

Statistically he's been in absolute free fall down this chart game after game. Ironically, this was probably one of his better games lately. Start of this road trip he had three Skinner vs Florida games straight.

I also think you're a little harsh on the Bs - Idk - they're a low event lunch pail club that I find hard to watch, but honestly I think they are kind of good in the same way a lot of those late 90s early 2000s Oilers clubs were good, just without the AHL budget thing. I think we're just spoiled with the talent level of our own club, tbh. I also think we deserve credit for making Marchand and Pasta look bad - outside of McDrai+Hyman/Nuge, they've been the highest scoring line in the NHL by a mile, and statistically they're just as good this year as they've been in years past.

I've watched half a dozen Bruins games this year and they just look done to me. They occasionally come up with a good game but can look like garbage against any club too. Not scoring enough and not anywhere near airtight enough to try to play the type of game they think they can play. They don't have a shutdown D corps. Really don't, and their forwards sure cough up a lot of pucks. Any team that figures somebody like Zadorov or Lindholm are going to be the big answers deserves what it gets.

The Bruins aren't good. Not this season for sure. The Bruins are 17th in league in win %. BEHIND such clubs as Calgary, Utah, Ottawa. They might not make the playoffs.

 

[iCanada]

Probably one of his fan club members from here or Reddit

A plant from the team.

 

[McAsuno]

Stud. Should be getting way more Hart love this year. So happy he's signed for 8 more years.

Selke too. I don't think people realize how excellent defensively he has been this season.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I wouldn’t say annoying… more persecutory.

This level of criticism should be reserved for the guys that are eating up our cap and expected to cover the investment we’ve made.

If we actually cared enough about goaltending to invest in it, well then we could be entitled to complain.

As it is… many of you sound like whiney, ENTITLED, little you know whats.

LOL. I do agree about the salary. Yes, he's not wasting cap.

This is us yelling at the clouds bc of management. They screwed up Campbell and thrust skinner into this.

I would say too emotionally invested. We aren't entitled to anything. It's just sports entertainment in the end

Just one damn cup and it will set me for life lol. I still think back to 2006/last year. The pain..

 

[TB12]

Selke too. I don't think people realize how excellent defensively he has been this season.

Excellent point. Should have added that as well. He's been a 200 foot beast all season.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Just got home from the game. Felt like a loss. Glad they won.

I’d bet $1,000 they had the player Christmas party Tuesday night - hence why they were off yesterday - and didn’t sweat out the tequila and sambuca fully till 5 minutes left in the game.

In fact I’d bet another $1,000 that Skinner was still drunk to start the game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

A plant from the team.

Schwartz calling in. Wouldn't put it past him.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Excellent point. Should have added that as well. He's been a 200 foot beast all season.

I have not heard a peep from the eastern media about a selke. They were pimping papi non stop these prior years.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Who was that Bruin hopped on the ice and then hopped right off once he realized the Oilers had a 2 on 1?



Hilarious.

I think Draisaitl fooled him. Drai looked like he was changing the whole way and then suddenly hit 3rd gear at the red line which made the Boston guy have to chase after him rather than change, leading to that guy doing that.

To be fair that 2 on 1 turning into that scoring chance was all Drai magic.

 

[TB12]

I have not heard a peep from the eastern media about a selke. They were pimping papi non stop these prior years.

Puck retrievals/60 or some such nonsense, if I remember correctly.

The Leafcentric media is such a f***ing embarrassment in this country.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

He was garbage…again

I post a celebratory goalie meme when we win and the starting goalie posts a SV% above .900.

I do not make the rules.

 

[McAsuno]

Puck retrievals/60 or some such nonsense, if I remember correctly.

The Leafcentric media is such a f***ing embarrassment in this country.

and leg block shots per 60. When I saw leaf fans mention that several years ago on a reason why Matthews was 'superior' than McDavid, all I could say was WTF?

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Well the RVH isn’t really designed to seal all holes. On my initial view of that goal. I’m like Stu literally gave only that one sliver of a hole by his side mask and above his shoulder. And the Puck deflected perfectly into the one hole he gave him. Upon further thought I realized he was down and in the RVH at a position that TRADITIONALLY you don’t want to be in the RVH, with a shooter so far out from you and with time to push across. But then i remembered a heated discussion amongst a goalie and goalie coach regarding that I heard on a podcast. And it’s actually a bit of debate there. Cause if he isn’t in the RVH he will cover the exact hole that puck got deflected into, if he’s standing upright. But then standing upright leads to small holes at 5 hole and under his arms… so it’s like which hole to do you want to give up? For a Big goalie like Stu cause in the RVH he covers a huge portion of that ear hole side, I can see why he defaults to that. But if he’s in the stand up in that position he has a better chance to react and cover any 5 holes that could be exposed….. so probably i lean towards he shouldn’t have been in the RVH there, but I can see why he personally would default to that compared to a smaller more quicker reacting goalie.,

Well, It's good to know that he's not being lazy on purpose and there is likely at least a reason he's playing it like that. I disagree with it though. The St Louis vs Tampa replay came on after the game. Watching Vasilevskiy, who's almost exactly the same size as Skinner. He plays it like I'm describing. Hard on the post when the play is near the net and gets off his knees and follows the play as soon as it's obvious that the play isn't being directed to the net. If Skinner is being directed to stay RVH with the puck 20'-30' from the net then I think he needs to be told something else.