#1OA Juraj Slafkovsky - Huge Disappointment

[wetcoast]

I guess that makes Elias Petterson not a 50-pts player as well.

Sure if he had only hit 50 points once but he isn't a 90 point player and I'll assume that you hit the 50 instead of 90 right?

I love that he keeps claiming "stats are stats" and then calls Slafkvosky a "45 point winger."

You would think if you were talking about a player who's only played one complete season in his NHL career, that if "stats were stats" the stats he posted in that one complete season would be a a big part of the argument.

Strangely, they are not. Instead, the "stats are stats" guy thinks the best representation of the statistics of the player who has only played one complete season in the NHL is not the stats he posted in that one complete season.

Gee, I wonder why that is?



I think he is literally on a pace to score 50 points right now.

You think its likely that he slows down his pace and gets worse as the season goes on?

At the time of the post he was just short and around a 45 point pace.

This metric isn't player specific, Hyman isn't a 50 goal guy he is a guy who once scored 59 goals.

If Slaf hits 59 points this year of heck even 49 sure call him a 50 point guy.

 

[MXD]

Sure if he had only hit 50 points once but he isn't a 90 point player and I'll assume that you hit the 50 instead of 90 right?

You set the rules. Live by them. Petterson isn't a 50 pts player.

 

[wetcoast]

You set the rules. Live by them. Petterson isn't a 50 pts player.

Really he has 5 of 6 previous season with 66+ points (the only season less was injured 21 in 26 games)?

Seriously you know better but whatever.

 

[KevSkillz4]

This guy have mentality to be a difference maker.

He have the talent, to be a difference maker.

He have all things to become a difference maker.

He just need to play like he do right now in first half of season next year and he will have a great production.

Everyone speak about Demidov and Hutson, but Slaf aswell can be a very special player.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Sure if he had only hit 50 points once but he isn't a 90 point player and I'll assume that you hit the 50 instead of 90 right?


At the time of the post he was just short and around a 45 point pace.

This metric isn't player specific, Hyman isn't a 50 goal guy he is a guy who once scored 59 goals.

If Slaf hits 59 points this year of heck even 49 sure call him a 50 point guy.

Hyman is a 59 goal guy

Corey Perry isn't a Hart trophy winner he just won the Hart trophy 1 time.
Jack Eichel isn't a Stanley cup winner he just won the one year.

Absolute semantic nonsense.

 

[wetcoast]

Hyman is a 59 goal guy

See to me that would describe a guy who consistently gets or is expected to get 59 goals year in year out if healthy.

Hyman isn't a guy who once cried 59 goals, in reality he is a 30ish goal guy if healthy for all 82 games.

Corey Perry isn't a Hart trophy winner he just won the Hart trophy 1 time.
Jack Eichel isn't a Stanley cup winner he just won the one year.

These are different things as people usually say theses thing with context added.

Also I'm not saying that Salf didn't score 50 points once, you are the one making a false equalivanacy here.

Absolute semantic nonsense.

Your second statement was yes but the original point remains and it applies to all players so perhaps being too much of a Homer in all cases might cause to have the last name of Simpson and responses worthy of the name?

It's akin to people after they come home form the Casino saying I won 200 bucks but then come home with nothing.

 

[Frank Drebin]

See to me that would describe a guy who consistently gets or is expected to get 59 goals year in year out if healthy.

Hyman isn't a guy who once cried 59 goals, in reality he is a 30ish goal guy if healthy for all 82 games.

These are different things as people usually say theses thing with context added.

Also I'm not saying that Salf didn't score 50 points once, you are the one making a false equalivanacy here.



Your second statement was yes but the original point remains and it applies to all players so perhaps being too much of a Homer in all cases might cause to have the last name of Simpson and responses worthy of the name?

It's akin to people after they come home form the Casino saying I won 200 bucks but then come home with nothing.

And if the 59 goal player scored 57 goals the following year you would say they were no longer a 59 goal scorer but a 57 goal scorer. You're being difficult for no other reason than to be difficult, and it adds zero value.

 

[Summer Rose]

He’ll be fine if you ask me. Way too early to draw any conclusions based on how he’s performed in under two seasons combined, and we’ve seen the development curve of “big guys” pan out like this time and time again before. A better debate to have would be about what his ceiling is or if he’ll flame out and not be in the league at all five years from now. Either way I wouldn’t consider him a “huge disappointment” yet. Not every first overall pick can be McDavid or Crosby.

 

[Essenege]

Wow they really made another thread on Slaf this year?

A 20 y/o on a 50 pts-pace is not a disappointment. Everybody knew at the draft he was not going to be a Bedard/Celebrini prospect.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Makes more sense when you recall he was never considered a 1OA talent and Montreal went off the board taking him there.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Doesn’t seem to process the game well. Great physical attributes but just a stupid player.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think the comparison to Brady Tkachuk is too much in the physical sense. I think Slafkovsky has the potential to be better offensively than Brady.

 

[Heffyhoof]

And if the 59 goal player scored 57 goals the following year you would say they were no longer a 59 goal scorer but a 57 goal scorer. You're being difficult for no other reason than to be difficult, and it adds zero value.

You're on the main boards, zero value posts are the bread and butter of those who frequent it, doubly so when in a thread dedicated to pooping on a young player.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He's being outplayed by the Leafs 2021 57th overall pick Matthew Knies while being drafted 1st overall in 2022.

Players around the league are going to look at his stats and use his 7.6M x 8 contract extension as a comparable. GM's around the league are going to be hanging up the phones.

Two things.

1. Love Matthew Knies. Great pick and he’s got a really bright future.

2. Slafkovsky is significantly ahead in terms of development. Last year Slaf was 19 starting the year and put up 50 points. At that stage in his career Knies was still in the minors.

Knies may well wind up being the better player. But he’s a full year older and Slaf has already been more productive. It’s disengenous to try to pass it off as them producing the snake will ignoring age.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He's being outplayed by the Leafs 2021 57th overall pick Matthew Knies while being drafted 1st overall in 2022.

Players around the league are going to look at his stats and use his 7.6M x 8 contract extension as a comparable. GM's around the league are going to be hanging up the phones.

Knies plays with two 100+ point players who I’m sure you would call top 10 in the NHL and is out producing Slaf by 6 points lmfao

 

[Nogatco Rd]

His career PPG is 42 points in his third NHL season. He's currently on pace for 47 points. It's perfectly reasonable for me to describe him as 45-pt left winger. It's up to him to put up stats to counter my statement.

I swear, some people on this site don't grasp even the most basic of statistics.

Nah you’ve outed yourself as a hater and are now doubling down

 

[Divine]

Knies plays with two 100+ point players who I’m sure you would call top 10 in the NHL and is out producing Slaf by 6 points lmfao

Only one of them has hit 100+ points in their career, and he's been injured and not even on a 100 point pace over 82 games. He's already missed 15 games also.

Would you call them both top 10 in the NHL?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Only one of them has hit 100+ points in their career, and he's been injured and not even on a 100+ point pace.

Would you call them both top 10 in the NHL?

I would yeah, and I think Knies is a really good player also

I’ve been very critical of Slaf it’s just odd for you to compare him to a player you love to denigrate him

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Makes more sense when you recall he was never considered a 1OA talent and Montreal went off the board taking him there.

Except he was the #1 ranked player on bobs final list which has accurately predicted everyu #1 pick since 2003.

So no they didn't "go off the board".

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Makes more sense when you recall he was never considered a 1OA talent and Montreal went off the board taking him there.

Bob McKenzie's Final 2022 Draft Ranking - TSN.ca

It’s a photo finish for the No. 1 spot on TSN’s 2022 NHL Draft Final Ranking and, by the slimmest of margins, it’s Juraj Slafkovsky over Shane Wright.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Makes more sense when you recall he was never considered a 1OA talent and Montreal went off the board taking him there.

Not all drafts are created equal. Poor draft and there was no strong consensus first overall. But in draft day Slaf was number one on most lists.

Still too soon to know what happens here. I think Hutson will be hands down the best player in that draft. Then there’s Slaf, Cooley and Wright. We’ll see what happens there but nobody is going to suggest that Slafkovsky will be a Crosby, MacKinnon, McDavid caliber. That’s fine though, those players weren’t available.

You can only compare him to what else was out there. I think Montreal got the best with Huston and after that… I think it’s likely Slaf will be in the top four. Not bad.

 

[Summer Rose]

Not all drafts are created equal. Poor draft and there was no strong consensus first overall. But in draft day Slaf was number one on most lists.

Still too soon to know what happens here. I think Hutson will be hands down the best player in that draft. Then there’s Slaf, Cooley and Wright. We’ll see what happens there but nobody is going to suggest that Slafkovsky will be a Crosby, MacKinnon, McDavid caliber. That’s fine though, those players weren’t available.

You can only compare him to what else was out there. I think Montreal got the best with Huston and after that… I think it’s likely Slaf will be in the top four. Not bad.

I had guessed that Wright was going to go first overall in that draft. You’re right though, it was very close at the top, and kind of a weak draft. I was bemoaning the Coyotes having the third pick in that draft because of who was available (the sentiment being “of all the years to pick as high as third…). Felt vaguely similarly in 2015, but because of who was available at 1 and 2. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m very happy with Cooley so far. Anyway, this thread isn’t about Cooley, so this post was just kind of a long-winded way of agreeing with you.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I had guessed that Wright was going to go first overall in that draft. You’re right though, it was very close at the top, and kind of a weak draft. I was bemoaning the Coyotes having the third pick in that draft because of who was available (the sentiment being “of all the years to pick as high as third…). Felt vaguely similarly in 2015, but because of who was available at 1 and 2. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m very happy with Cooley so far. Anyway, this thread isn’t about Cooley, so this post was just kind of a long-winded way of agreeing with you.

Cooley may wind up being the best in that draft behind Hutson. He’s gotten off to a great start.

Montreal saw power forward potential with Slafkovsky. Maybe not the highest scorer but skilled with size. He’s shown flashes of being a great player but has struggled with consistency. If he reaches his ceiling the Canadiens will be happy no matter what Cooley does.

But it’s silly to say ‘he’s not a quality first overall’ or whatever… you can only draft what’s available. McDavid wasn’t available Slafkovsky was, Wright was, Cooley was. Now maybe they’ll regret not taking one of those other guys - entirely possible. But it’s far too soon to make a call on this draft. The only thing I’m fairly confident of is that Hutson will be the best player in the draft.

And for the record- I wanted the Canadiens to draft Wright. But I’m happy with the pick now.

 

[Summer Rose]

Cooley may wind up being the best in that draft behind Hutson. He’s gotten off to a great start.

Montreal saw power forward potential with Slafkovsky. Maybe not the highest scorer but skilled with size. He’s shown flashes of being a great player but has struggled with consistency. If he reaches his ceiling the Canadiens will be happy no matter what Cooley does.

But it’s silly to say ‘he’s not a quality first overall’ or whatever… you can only draft what’s available. McDavid wasn’t available Slafkovsky was, Wright was, Cooley was. Now maybe they’ll regret not taking one of those other guys - entirely possible. But it’s far too soon to make a call on this draft. The only thing I’m fairly confident of is that Hutson will be the best player in the draft.

Reasonable with how they’re all doing so far. Hutson is looking like an absolute steal. I’ll show my bias in saying that I hope Cooley turns out to be the best player of the 2022 draft though.

Hope Slafkovsky turns out to be as good as advertised. Wright too for that matter. Wishing that a draft pick busts is pretty damn petty if you ask me.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Reasonable with how they’re all doing so far. Hutson is looking like an absolute steal. I’ll show my bias in saying that I hope Cooley turns out to be the best player of the 2022 draft though.

Good chance you get your wish.