Post-Game Talk: #18 - 11/12/18 | canucks @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

[ponytrekker]

this is the greatest rangers team in the history of sports

see you guys at the parade

Stanley Cup final matchup preview was last night. And it was damn good.

 

[ponytrekker]

Couldn’t catch this one. Was chytil good aside from scoring a goal?

He was. Once he was moved up to the 1st line and swapped with Spooner he looked like he had a piano lifted of his back. Lot of chances, many of them good.

I hope it's a turning point.

 

[nevesis]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but Chytil and Howdens goals mark the first time since 1996 that two under-20 Rangers scored goals in the same game.

Howden is 20 though.

 

[FOD]

The whole point of the tweet is to tell RB to chill out about the standings in NOVEMBER and act like we're 100% going to be picking mid/low 1st in June.

No one should be taking the standings seriously until we hit like...game 41.

Not necessarily. Since the lockout of 2005-2006, 77% of teams in playoff position at Thanksgiving qualify for the post season.

 

[Sarge13]

Howden is 20 though.

Sorry, meant 20 and under.

 

[nyr2k2]

So, what's the solution to "playing like shit" yet winning, like last night? Benching guys?

Do we bench guys like Pionk, Howden, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Skjei, and Chytil? Our young pieces who have all contributed to our record to varying degrees? I mean, I know the answer here is no.

Do we bench Zibs, Kreider, Vesey, and Fast? Guys who are still relatively young and will probably be a part of the team moving forward? No, of course not.

Do we sit Hayes, Zuccarello, Namestnikov, Smith? The guys that we will probably end up moving a deadline? We tank their value now because they're contributing to wins and we don't want wins?

Do we say, "Sorry Hank, you're too good, we don't really want to win, time for you to sit for Georgiev?" If we do, I'm f***ing out.

I mean I get the idea of, "Our metrics suck, they're not conducive to sustainable success, it hurts the team in the long run." But what do you do? Quinn has every man on that team playing hard and pretty much everyone is contributing in some way. Even guys like Staal who suck are finding ways to make a few good plays each night, or step up for their team mates, or whatever. So again, what do you do? We're playing hockey that on some night is very ugly, other night is pretty decent, and is leading to wins. I don't know what you can do to stop that from happening. Sitting back and bitching about it is pretty tiresome, though.

 

[Tawnos]

So, what's the solution to "playing like ****" yet winning, like last night? Benching guys?

Do we bench guys like Pionk, Howden, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Skjei, and Chytil? Our young pieces who have all contributed to our record to varying degrees? I mean, I know the answer here is no.

Do we bench Zibs, Kreider, Vesey, and Fast? Guys who are still relatively young and will probably be a part of the team moving forward? No, of course not.

Do we sit Hayes, Zuccarello, Namestnikov, Smith? The guys that we will probably end up moving a deadline? We tank their value now because they're contributing to wins and we don't want wins?

Do we say, "Sorry Hank, you're too good, we don't really want to win, time for you to sit for Georgiev?" If we do, I'm ****ing out.

I mean I get the idea of, "Our metrics suck, they're not conducive to sustainable success, it hurts the team in the long run." But what do you do? Quinn has every man on that team playing hard and pretty much everyone is contributing in some way. Even guys like Staal who suck are finding ways to make a few good plays each night, or step up for their team mates, or whatever. So again, what do you do? We're playing hockey that on some night is very ugly, other night is pretty decent, and is leading to wins. I don't know what you can do to stop that from happening. Sitting back and *****ing about it is pretty tiresome, though.

The players and coaches aren't going to tank. They never do... on any team in any year. Now, that being said, the front office can move out some players but criticizing them for waiting until they get the right deal is silly.

Right now, this is really like the weather. It's not in anyone's control, so it's not really something we can complain about.

I continue to believe... all I care about is if they work hard and the young players give us hope for the future. Both of those things are happening, so I'm happy... and I was happy when they were 3-7-1 too.

 

[will1066]

So, what's the solution to "playing like ****" yet winning, like last night? Benching guys?

Do we bench guys like Pionk, Howden, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Skjei, and Chytil? Our young pieces who have all contributed to our record to varying degrees? I mean, I know the answer here is no.

Do we bench Zibs, Kreider, Vesey, and Fast? Guys who are still relatively young and will probably be a part of the team moving forward? No, of course not.

Do we sit Hayes, Zuccarello, Namestnikov, Smith? The guys that we will probably end up moving a deadline? We tank their value now because they're contributing to wins and we don't want wins?

Do we say, "Sorry Hank, you're too good, we don't really want to win, time for you to sit for Georgiev?" If we do, I'm ****ing out.

I mean I get the idea of, "Our metrics suck, they're not conducive to sustainable success, it hurts the team in the long run." But what do you do? Quinn has every man on that team playing hard and pretty much everyone is contributing in some way. Even guys like Staal who suck are finding ways to make a few good plays each night, or step up for their team mates, or whatever. So again, what do you do? We're playing hockey that on some night is very ugly, other night is pretty decent, and is leading to wins. I don't know what you can do to stop that from happening. Sitting back and *****ing about it is pretty tiresome, though.

Time. Time and patience. A work in progress with already some promising signs.

 

[NYRFAN218]

The players and coaches aren't going to tank. They never do... on any team in any year. Now, that being said, the front office can move out some players but criticizing them for waiting until they get the right deal is silly.

Right now, this is really like the weather. It's not in anyone's control, so it's not really something we can complain about.

I continue to believe... all I care about is if they work hard and the young players give us hope for the future. Both of those things are happening, so I'm happy... and I was happy when they were 3-7-1 too.

Yeah, this is something out of everyone's control because the only thing that can really be done is trade guys which shouldn't be done until they get the right deal. I do get the frustrations from some especially when it comes to things like shootout wins but it's really something that no one can control. Players should be playing hard and the coaches should be coaching to both develop and win which is what's happening. If this team is as bad as many here make it out to be and what the metrics show then it'll even out over time.

 

[WeRa]

Couldn’t catch this one. Was chytil good aside from scoring a goal?

Yes, he was. He played very good offensive game.

 

[nyr2k2]

The players and coaches aren't going to tank. They never do... on any team in any year. Now, that being said, the front office can move out some players but criticizing them for waiting until they get the right deal is silly.

Right now, this is really like the weather. It's not in anyone's control, so it's not really something we can complain about.

I continue to believe... all I care about is if they work hard and the young players give us hope for the future. Both of those things are happening, so I'm happy... and I was happy when they were 3-7-1 too.

Time. Time and patience. A work in progress with already some promising signs.

Yeah, this is something out of everyone's control because the only thing that can really be done is trade guys which shouldn't be done until they get the right deal. I do get the frustrations from some especially when it comes to things like shootout wins but it's really something that no one can control. Players should be playing hard and the coaches should be coaching to both develop and win which is what's happening. If this team is as bad as many here make it out to be and what the metrics show then it'll even out over time.

Yep, I agree with all of this. I'm mainly just lamenting the fact that we're trying to build and develop a winner with prospects and our existing core, and when things look decent, people want to shit all over it and complain we're winning in spite of our f***ing shot attempts. As said above, it will even out, but even then things are clearly moving in a positive direction (clear to me, anyway). Just enjoy it.

 

[CasusBelli]

Yep, I agree with all of this. I'm mainly just lamenting the fact that we're trying to build and develop a winner with prospects and our existing core, and when things look decent, people want to **** all over it and complain we're winning in spite of our ****ing shot attempts. As said above, it will even out, but even then things are clearly moving in a positive direction (clear to me, anyway). Just enjoy it.

I'm surprised there's no one here with the user name Anhedonia or Anhedonic.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yep, I agree with all of this. I'm mainly just lamenting the fact that we're trying to build and develop a winner with prospects and our existing core, and when things look decent, people want to **** all over it and complain we're winning in spite of our ****ing shot attempts. As said above, it will even out, but even then things are clearly moving in a positive direction (clear to me, anyway). Just enjoy it.

Only two posters are really complaining. And @Machinehead’s complaints are entertaining to me because he has a tendency to stake out an extreme position only to work his way back through rationalization. He was opposed to the rebuild, only to find himself pissed at the Rangers winning to screw up their draft position. As for @RangerBoy, I understand his frustration, but, for this rebuild to work, you also need some of the young players you’re counting on down the road to actually show development, and you need the assets you intend to trade also maximize value. Yes, the Rangers are currently in a playoff position, but, they’ve played for more games than the Pens and Caps, who are not in playoff position. Does anyone expect that to remain that way? The good things we’re seeing are good signs in the long term, but, this remains a team more than likely to finish in the top 7-8 in the upcoming draft.

 

[Levitate]

So, what's the solution to "playing like ****" yet winning, like last night? Benching guys?

Do we bench guys like Pionk, Howden, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Skjei, and Chytil? Our young pieces who have all contributed to our record to varying degrees? I mean, I know the answer here is no.

Do we bench Zibs, Kreider, Vesey, and Fast? Guys who are still relatively young and will probably be a part of the team moving forward? No, of course not.

Do we sit Hayes, Zuccarello, Namestnikov, Smith? The guys that we will probably end up moving a deadline? We tank their value now because they're contributing to wins and we don't want wins?

Do we say, "Sorry Hank, you're too good, we don't really want to win, time for you to sit for Georgiev?" If we do, I'm ****ing out.

I mean I get the idea of, "Our metrics suck, they're not conducive to sustainable success, it hurts the team in the long run." But what do you do? Quinn has every man on that team playing hard and pretty much everyone is contributing in some way. Even guys like Staal who suck are finding ways to make a few good plays each night, or step up for their team mates, or whatever. So again, what do you do? We're playing hockey that on some night is very ugly, other night is pretty decent, and is leading to wins. I don't know what you can do to stop that from happening. Sitting back and *****ing about it is pretty tiresome, though.

I think the bottom line is that as much as we like a lot of these players, overall they're really just not good enough to be an actual "good" team.

What we hope will happen is that young players will improve, other players will get traded, the team will hopefully continue to come together and play better as a group, and new talent will come in and help boost them to better play.

It's obviously not an overnight thing. They're trying to play a game more conducive to possession hockey compared to AV's style but between the lack of talent and just still working out the system, it's not going to be all there yet.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Yep, I agree with all of this. I'm mainly just lamenting the fact that we're trying to build and develop a winner with prospects and our existing core, and when things look decent, people want to **** all over it and complain we're winning in spite of our ****ing shot attempts. As said above, it will even out, but even then things are clearly moving in a positive direction (clear to me, anyway). Just enjoy it.

With how inexperienced we are, the lack of depth, and the green head coach, we weren’t going to be a good analytical team just yet. Even a guy like Montgomery hasn’t started off hot, and his team was much further ahead than where we were going into this season.

I care solely about how our U25 core performs under DQ. So far, I’ve been more than happy with Mika, Chytil, ADA, Buch, Names, Lias, Howden, etc. Each has taken a critical step forward in their development, which is exactly what we should hope to see in a rebuild. We know this little streak is a bit of a mirage with the SO wins, and it won’t detract from Gorton moving guys like Hayes and Zucc at the deadline to add more picks and prospects. The key is that they’re setting up a framework for what they’ll look like moving forward and have good organizational pieces to add to it.

 

[will1066]

I'm surprised there's no one here with the user name Anhedonia or Anhedonic.

I had to look this up.

 

[eco's bones]

I'm on the fence moving Hayes. January pops around and I'd be kicking the tires to see what he wants--make a decision on whether or not I thought it was doable. If we do move him I'd want something really really good back for him. He's a good player and he's a very big body in the middle and he does a lot of situational stuff for us.

Zucc, Smith, McQuaid, McLeod, Spooner, Namestnikov I'd have no issues moving. Staal too but I don't think we'll find a buyer. I think we should move as many of these guys as possible no matter where we are in the standings. But Hayes is the one I would see if I could hold on to. Zucc's worth a 15-20 OA--Hayes is worth more.

 

[CasusBelli]

I'm on the fence moving Hayes. January pops around and I'd be kicking the tires to see what he wants--make a decision on whether or not I thought it was doable. If we do move him I'd want something really really good back for him. He's a good player and he's a very big body in the middle and he does a lot of situational stuff for us.

Zucc, Smith, McQuaid, McLeod, Spooner, Namestnikov I'd have no issues moving. Staal too but I don't think we'll find a buyer. I think we should move as many of these guys as possible no matter where we are in the standings. But Hayes is the one I would see if I could hold on to. Zucc's worth a 15-20 OA--Hayes is worth more.

Do you think there's any combination of the preceding that could land us Nylander from TO?

 

[Thirty One]

So, what's the solution to "playing like ****" yet winning, like last night? Benching guys?

Do we bench guys like Pionk, Howden, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Skjei, and Chytil? Our young pieces who have all contributed to our record to varying degrees? I mean, I know the answer here is no.

Do we bench Zibs, Kreider, Vesey, and Fast? Guys who are still relatively young and will probably be a part of the team moving forward? No, of course not.

Do we sit Hayes, Zuccarello, Namestnikov, Smith? The guys that we will probably end up moving a deadline? We tank their value now because they're contributing to wins and we don't want wins?

Do we say, "Sorry Hank, you're too good, we don't really want to win, time for you to sit for Georgiev?" If we do, I'm ****ing out.

I mean I get the idea of, "Our metrics suck, they're not conducive to sustainable success, it hurts the team in the long run." But what do you do? Quinn has every man on that team playing hard and pretty much everyone is contributing in some way. Even guys like Staal who suck are finding ways to make a few good plays each night, or step up for their team mates, or whatever. So again, what do you do? We're playing hockey that on some night is very ugly, other night is pretty decent, and is leading to wins. I don't know what you can do to stop that from happening. Sitting back and *****ing about it is pretty tiresome, though.

According to RangerBoy, the answer to all those questions is yes.

 

[Thordic]

I didn't say I wasn't enjoying the Rangers. I'm not enjoying games where they play extremely poorly, even if they win.

How did you survive 1998 to 2005?

 

[Machinehead]

How did you survive 1998 to 2005?

I was a kid, it's a different perspective. When you're 11 years old, these guys could go 0-82, they're still heroes to you.

Now I'm older than half of them.

 

[Machinehead]

So, what's the solution to "playing like ****" yet winning, like last night? Benching guys?

Do we bench guys like Pionk, Howden, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, Skjei, and Chytil? Our young pieces who have all contributed to our record to varying degrees? I mean, I know the answer here is no.

Do we bench Zibs, Kreider, Vesey, and Fast? Guys who are still relatively young and will probably be a part of the team moving forward? No, of course not.

Do we sit Hayes, Zuccarello, Namestnikov, Smith? The guys that we will probably end up moving a deadline? We tank their value now because they're contributing to wins and we don't want wins?

Do we say, "Sorry Hank, you're too good, we don't really want to win, time for you to sit for Georgiev?" If we do, I'm ****ing out.

I mean I get the idea of, "Our metrics suck, they're not conducive to sustainable success, it hurts the team in the long run." But what do you do? Quinn has every man on that team playing hard and pretty much everyone is contributing in some way. Even guys like Staal who suck are finding ways to make a few good plays each night, or step up for their team mates, or whatever. So again, what do you do? We're playing hockey that on some night is very ugly, other night is pretty decent, and is leading to wins. I don't know what you can do to stop that from happening. Sitting back and *****ing about it is pretty tiresome, though.

I don't think there is a solution. That's hockey sometimes. I would never suggest this team intentionally tank. I think that's more damaging to the culture than anything I'm upset about today.

I'm certainly not going to put in on Quinn's head that he hasn't done something to stop it. In fact, I really like Quinn so far.

 

[Larrybiv]

No, I hated it then too.

Teams that consistently find a way to steal bad games don't win anything in this league.

Dont they earn the respect of being a tough team to play against as opposed to being a pushover? Were our Rangers EVER really a favorite in any PO run? Werent they pretty much better as the sum of their parts? Rather that, then being an overtalented, overpaid yet underacheiving team that falls short and losers for the cup.

 

[Machinehead]

Dont they earn the respect of being a tough team to play against as opposed to being a pushover? Were our Rangers EVER really a favorite in any PO run? Werent they pretty much better as the sum of their parts? Rather that, then being an overtalented, overpaid yet underacheiving team that falls short and losers for the cup.

Like Washington?

 

[Profet]

You have to think of it like this... winning games early lets other teams buy our wares for higher at the deadline.

If we just came out with a crap year and everyone had a shit season with career lows.. we'd not get nearly enough at the deadline to make this worth it.