Prospect Info: 17OA: Axel Sandin Pellikka

Does anyone besides roomba think he could be anymore than a second pairing guy for Detroit?

I don’t know.

I hope I’m wrong. I do like ASP as a prospect but am cautiously optimistic about him. I haven’t watched as much SHL this year as I did in previous seasons, so I’ve only caught a few Skelleftea games. That said, what I have seen is very good when he’s got the puck. I like that he’s showing more aggressiveness on the corners (at least in my samples) and think he projects as an NHL guy. He can still get caught puck watching though.

It’ll be interesting to see his path moving forward. I don’t think Detroit brings him up before he’s 22, so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about how he’s a bust because he’s not in the NHL by 20 or 21 by some of the trolls on this forum. ASP is a player we should be patient with.
 
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Simon is on the same path as Mo. Two years in top pro leagues and then on to the NHL, which is where Simon will be next season. He will also be a Calder candidate. First, let him stay in GR and compete for the other Calder trophy. What he will NEVER do is skate or score like ASP.

Edvinsson is our third best skating defenseman only because we have Wallinder and AlJo who are damn near elite by any standards. ASP probably is probably only the 5th best skating defenseman in our pool, and I’d even go so far as to say Berggren, Kasper and Danielson are better skaters as forwards.

Ed probably never scores goals like ASP but that’s because he plays like a roving playmaker a lot. Very different style than ASP with the puck.
 
Does anyone besides roomba think he could be anymore than a second pairing guy for Detroit?
What do you mean by this?

He could be a 2nd pair guy that plays the 1 PP and isn't sheltered on the PK.

Ryan McD and Hedman didn't play together on their cup runs but McD played 23-24 mins and Hedman 24-26 mins a night in the playoffs in their back to back.
 
when i hear the word elite the first name that comes to mind is of course, brady cleveland. his talent and abilities set the bar for the term 'elite', and that should clarify where all other hockey players rank in my opinion.
I'm not sure it's correct to say Brady Cleveland 'sets the bar'. A bar implies something that can be cleared. Eliteness is the aspirational nearing toward Brady Cleveland.
 
Are you new here? If the title of the thread is ASP, then obviously the thread is gonna be about someone else, lol.
There's a joke lying around somewhere using Forest Gump, boxes of chocolates, but in this case forum threads.
 
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I don’t know.

I hope I’m wrong. I do like ASP as a prospect but am cautiously optimistic about him. I haven’t watched as much SHL this year as I did in previous seasons, so I’ve only caught a few Skelleftea games. That said, what I have seen is very good when he’s got the puck. I like that he’s showing more aggressiveness on the corners (at least in my samples) and think he projects as an NHL guy. He can still get caught puck watching though.

It’ll be interesting to see his path moving forward. I don’t think Detroit brings him up before he’s 22, so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about how he’s a bust because he’s not in the NHL by 20 or 21 by some of the trolls on this forum. ASP is a player we should be patient with.
For ASP to be a top pairing D for Detroit we either traded Seider or ASP supplanted him.
 
So much talk here about skating. Skating alone doesn't make a good player. What this guy obviously has are offensive instincts and those are impossible to teach. For example, Kasper doesn't have it and it becomes irrelevant how good of a skater he is.
 
So much talk here about skating. Skating alone doesn't make a good player. What this guy obviously has are offensive instincts and those are impossible to teach. For example, Kasper doesn't have it and it becomes irrelevant how good of a skater he is.

A player still needs size and/or skating to make the league, look at Hirose as an example. High hockey IQ but lacks both size and skating. If you want other examples, just look at any AHL all star that didn't make the NHL, like Riley Barber or Pulky.
 
A player still needs size and/or skating to make the league, look at Hirose as an example. High hockey IQ but lacks both size and skating. If you want other examples, just look at any AHL all star that didn't make the NHL, like Riley Barber or Pulky.
Hirose is a bad skater. Axel is already better than average skater and that has to be sufficient for him to have a chance in NHL. You just don't need to be top-5 in skating to become a star player.
 
What he will NEVER do is skate or score like ASP.

I feel like in an attempt to portray ASP as a good skater, you are likely unintentionally mischaracterizing the quality of skater that Edvinsson is. His ability to use his edges and move the way he does, and control the puck the way he does at his size was the one thing that just about every analyst unanimously could agree was a legit asset.

A flashback to the Black Book's write up on his skating (graded 8 out of 9, meaning excellent):

"There are very few players in any draft we would consider to have an elite skating base, but Simon is one of them. Some prospects have better inside-edge work in straight lines then they do outside edges for their crossovers and pivoting ability or visa-versa, but Edvinsson is a rare prospect that has both inside
and outside edges covered. He’s a fantastic backwards skater who can track his opponents and stay in front of them consistently by using his skating. His four-way mobility is tremendous, as a result of not having any real inconsistencies within any aspect of his mechanics – minus – the occasional crossover mistake when he’s skating backwards. We also wish he would have used his lateral crossovers more in transition to generate more power, but the base is there for this characteristic to develop further in the future.

When watching him out of tight turns, he can effortlessly shift his weight from his centerline into the necessary direction to gain significant power in short order which does help rectify the lack of lateral crossovers, depending on the sequence. The hallmark of an excellent skating base is the ability to move efficiently and at times look effortless when in motion, which is the case with Edvinsson."

For the record, that is the same grade that ASP got from the same source. The difference is that a 5'11/6'0 180 pound defenseman is going to look a hell of a lot more agile or explosive than a 6'6 215 pound defenseman because the work rate is going to be higher with the shorter legs.

This video clip was one of my favorites when I still had hope these two asshats would become part of a new core, but is also cool to illustrate how a bigger, heavier body like Mantha can still have remarkable skating ability despite not looking like he's working overly hard.



Both of these guys will be critical to the Wings chances of building sustainable success. If Seider can play with Walman or maybe carry Johansson's defensive responsibility longer term, and Edvinsson and ASP can anchor the second pairing in a similar fashion, you have a defensive core that is worth sustaining, and can reasonably be done for several years at a reasonable (competitive) price point.
 
I feel like in an attempt to portray ASP as a good skater, you are likely unintentionally mischaracterizing the quality of skater that Edvinsson is. His ability to use his edges and move the way he does, and control the puck the way he does at his size was the one thing that just about every analyst unanimously could agree was a legit asset.

A flashback to the Black Book's write up on his skating (graded 8 out of 9, meaning excellent):

"There are very few players in any draft we would consider to have an elite skating base, but Simon is one of them. Some prospects have better inside-edge work in straight lines then they do outside edges for their crossovers and pivoting ability or visa-versa, but Edvinsson is a rare prospect that has both inside
and outside edges covered. He’s a fantastic backwards skater who can track his opponents and stay in front of them consistently by using his skating. His four-way mobility is tremendous, as a result of not having any real inconsistencies within any aspect of his mechanics – minus – the occasional crossover mistake when he’s skating backwards. We also wish he would have used his lateral crossovers more in transition to generate more power, but the base is there for this characteristic to develop further in the future.

When watching him out of tight turns, he can effortlessly shift his weight from his centerline into the necessary direction to gain significant power in short order which does help rectify the lack of lateral crossovers, depending on the sequence. The hallmark of an excellent skating base is the ability to move efficiently and at times look effortless when in motion, which is the case with Edvinsson."

For the record, that is the same grade that ASP got from the same source. The difference is that a 5'11/6'0 180 pound defenseman is going to look a hell of a lot more agile or explosive than a 6'6 215 pound defenseman because the work rate is going to be higher with the shorter legs.

This video clip was one of my favorites when I still had hope these two asshats would become part of a new core, but is also cool to illustrate how a bigger, heavier body like Mantha can still have remarkable skating ability despite not looking like he's working overly hard.



Both of these guys will be critical to the Wings chances of building sustainable success. If Seider can play with Walman or maybe carry Johansson's defensive responsibility longer term, and Edvinsson and ASP can anchor the second pairing in a similar fashion, you have a defensive core that is worth sustaining, and can reasonably be done for several years at a reasonable (competitive) price point.


As you state, that is not my intent. Simon is the Wings #1 prospect. He is going to be solid to great for the Wings. I was only looking to separate another top prospect based on stats, observations and assessment of skill by others. Mantha may have been able to keep up with AA in a short sprint, but a smaller player is most often quicker and more nimble in tight spaces. Simply physics coupled with survival instincts. That said, I accept your point and will, again, state I am no way saying Simon can not skate. I had thought I put in my post he would be a Calder candidate. If not, I overlooked it. I think this guy steps into anchoring the 2nd pairing next season.

Are you new here? If the title of the thread is ASP, then obviously the thread is gonna be about someone else, lol.

Just the opposite. Ia m so freaking old here, I forgot. Appreciate the reminder. :)
 
Edvinsson is our third best skating defenseman only because we have Wallinder and AlJo who are damn near elite by any standards. ASP probably is probably only the 5th best skating defenseman in our pool, and I’d even go so far as to say Berggren, Kasper and Danielson are better skaters as forwards.

Ed probably never scores goals like ASP but that’s because he plays like a roving playmaker a lot. Very different style than ASP with the puck.

I would say most forwards are better skaters, at least moving forward. The edge work is far different for a defender. My post was NOT intended to knock Simon. The Wings have a ton of talent on D and ASP is one of them. I used Simon only because the ASP thread is, apparently, code for SE. He will be a Calder finalist next season. ASP is 3 years away from the NHL. Both players will bring a completely different style of play to the rink. I was only looking to point out the differences, not condemn SE's skating. Would I take him over ASP in an agility drill? No. Does that mean he can't skate at a top 2 D NHL level? No.

the....AHL Sophomore Calder trophy?

No, the AHL championship trophy is called the CALDER. I would NOT bring him up. Leading the team to a deep Calder run is his best path for development.





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I would say most forwards are better skaters, at least moving forward. The edge work is far different for a defender. My post was NOT intended to knock Simon. The Wings have a ton of talent on D and ASP is one of them. I used Simon only because the ASP thread is, apparently, code for SE. He will be a Calder finalist next season. ASP is 3 years away from the NHL. Both players will bring a completely different style of play to the rink. I was only looking to point out the differences, not condemn SE's skating. Would I take him over ASP in an agility drill? No. Does that mean he can't skate at a top 2 D NHL level? No.



No, the AHL championship trophy is called the CALDER. I would NOT bring him up. Leading the team to a deep Calder run is his best path for development.





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I think if Ed comes up and plays more than 4 games this year to go with the 9 last year, he would not be eligible for the NHL Calder Trophy in 2024/25, from memory, I think you have to play less than 6 games in each of the two preceding seasons or less than 25 in the previous season to be eligible. I think Ed played in 2 games before Christmas, so I am expecting AlJo to be the first up this year for coffee as soon as the roster limits expand, especially is Steve unloads a D-man by March 8.
 
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I think if Ed comes up and plays more than 4 games this year to go with the 9 last year, he would not be eligible for the NHL Calder Trophy in 2024/25, from memory, I think you have to play less than 6 games in each of the two preceding seasons or less than 25 in the previous season to be eligible. I think Ed played in 2 games before Christmas, so I am expecting AlJo to be the first up this year for coffee as soon as the roster limits expand, especially is Steve unloads a D-man by March 8.
This is correct
 
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I think if Ed comes up and plays more than 4 games this year to go with the 9 last year, he would not be eligible for the NHL Calder Trophy in 2024/25, from memory, I think you have to play less than 6 games in each of the two preceding seasons or less than 25 in the previous season to be eligible. I think Ed played in 2 games before Christmas, so I am expecting AlJo to be the first up this year for coffee as soon as the roster limits expand, especially is Steve unloads a D-man by March 8.
Your insight is better than my own. I would not bring him up, unless/until the Griffins are knocked out of the post season. Even at that, I would not play him. He can be a black ace and see how the team carries itself in the pot season.
 
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Your insight is better than my own. I would not bring him up, unless/until the Griffins are knocked out of the post season. Even at that, I would not play him. He can be a black ace and see how the team carries itself in the pot season.
Post season games do not count against the count (example, Ken Dryden) but unless we absolutely have too, I cannot see playing him in the Wings playoff games, but never say never! :)
 
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Are you new here? If the title of the thread is ASP, then obviously the thread is gonna be about someone else, lol.
do we really need to bring up the org chart on this one again?

the copp thread is about rasmussen. the rasmussen thread is about bicker. bicker doesn't even have a thread at this point, but if he did, it would 100% be about kasper. Kasper's has 100% to do with augustine...

I guess we just need to do better to inform gniwder
 

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