Blue Jays GDT: ('14 v4) Next Game: @Pit| Fri, May 2 |7pm ET/4pm PT| B.Morrow vs G.Cole

[canucksfan]

I don't think he'll be fired because ownership kind of ****ed his ability to improve the roster

He has a top ten payroll. He should be able to do something with that payroll. Every player he has brought in hasn't done much.

 

[Rancourt Fist Pump]

Friggin Victorino. Go away

 

[trellaine201]

There is nothing to turn around. Blow it all up and build around Sanchez, Stroman, Hutch, Norris, etc. Good young pitching is the only way this organization sniffs the playoffs. Just wasting some of these hitters with this garbage pitching staff.

Just don't let AA and Beeston do it. Bring someone new!

 

[dredeye]

This is depressing. When are we ever going to see meaningful baseball in Toronto in September? Now you're looking at close to 30 year playoff drought with another rebuild.

Well AA went for it and I must say I was crazy pumped at the prospect of meaningful baseball but this team is just a complete failure and that's on the players really

 

[Bad News Benning]

Just don't let AA and Beeston do it. Bring someone new!

I dont even Mind AA, I just thing he is more suited for an assistant GM job where he can look after the draft and what not. I dont think he is the guy to be the Top chief though.

 

[canucksfan]

Well AA went for it and I must say I was crazy pumped at the prospect of meaningful baseball but this team is just a complete failure and that's on the players really

The offense is fine. AA has completely failed at building a starting rotation.

 

[Del Preston]

Has anyone figured out why John Gibbons was rehired?

 

[dredeye]

He has a top ten payroll. He should be able to do something with that payroll. Every player he has brought in hasn't done much.

He's brought in top notch talent. They've failed to execute as a team. But to make trades your likely looking at adding payroll which wasn't an option. AA was in a tuff spot.

 

[CherryToke]

Has anyone figured out why John Gibbons was rehired?

because he's good at oral sex?

 

[canucksfan]

He's brought in top notch talent. They've failed to execute as a team. But to make trades your likely looking at adding payroll which wasn't an option. AA was in a tuff spot.

See my post above. He built a poor rotation. He also brought in guys that have talent but are injury prone or have no baseball sense.

 

[Longshot]

Has anyone figured out why John Gibbons was rehired?

Because AA was comfortable with him. He was burned by the conniving backstabbing ******* that was John Farrell and he wanted somehow he had a good relationship with.

Other than the fact the Gibbons had managed in Toronto, he really wasn't that much different than the other re-treads that were available at the time.

 

[RiceCooker]

...and here come the apologists, 20+ years and counting of no post-season.

 

[TootooTrain]

Has anyone figured out why John Gibbons was rehired?

What does Gibbons have to do with a pitcher throwing 8 balls in a game or a reliever giving up a HR?

AA and the players themselves specifically the pitchers, need to get their act together quick.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

I think AA might get canned if the team continues to suck.

Doubt it as long as Beeston remains President. Jays need better ownership more so than anything.

 

[Del Preston]

What does Gibbons have to do with a pitcher throwing 8 balls in a game or a reliever giving up a HR?

Nothing. While we're talking about AA I thought I'd ask why he brought back Gibbons, because I have no clue the reason.

because he's good at oral sex?

Lol.

 

[TootooTrain]

...and here come the apologists, 20+ years and counting of no post-season.

Here come blind statements and the fake internet tough guy act.

 

[Longshot]

See my post above. He built a poor rotation. He also brought in guys that have talent but are injury prone or have no baseball sense.

That's easy to say now, but at the time on paper it was as good a rotation as there was.

Dickey had won a Cy Young and had multiple good years.
Johnson was a stud.
Buerhle was a crafty leftie that would throw 200 innings and win 12-14 games.
Morrow appeared to be a guy on the verge of stardom.
Romero was the once future ace that was going to regain his confidence by taking on a reduced roll.
And Happ was an experienced veteran ready to fill in.

It's almost amazing when you look at it in hindsight. Every single assumption the Jays made - with the exception of Buerhle - completely blew up in their faces. The odds of that happening are astronomical.

 

[CherryToke]

What does Gibbons have to do with a pitcher throwing 8 balls in a game or a reliever giving up a HR?

but he did bring in a kid (that was just called up) in a bases loaded situation against the defending WS champs. seems kinda dumb, no?

 

[Cor]

Woah, Giambi hasn't retired yet?

 

[TootooTrain]

Nothing. While we're talking about AA I thought I'd ask why he brought back Gibbons, because I have no clue the reason.

Probably the best option at the time, plus he knows the players. There was so many players and coaches getting to know eachother last season it was a bit of a whirlwind. Anyways, Gibbons is one of the last people on a short leash imo. Pitchers themselves > AA > Beeston/Ownership

 

[Longshot]

but he did bring in a kid that was just called up in a bases loaded situation against the defending WS champs. seems kinda dumb, no?

What was he supposed to do in that situation? And what would you have done?

The bullpen is gassed. The guys are wore out.

Jenkins was brought up to be a fresh arm. And it was the THIRD inning. Gibbons needed to get innings from whoever he was going to use in that situation. It wasn't a situation where you bring in a guy to get a couple of outs. He needed someone to pitch a few innings and hopefully keep the game close, since Morrow utterly crapped the bed.

His choices were Jenkins, Rogers or Happ.

 

[Cor]

Remember when JPA was the problem with this team?

 

[canucksfan]

That's easy to say now, but at the time on paper it was as good a rotation as there was.

Dickey had won a Cy Young and had multiple good years.
Johnson was a stud.
Buerhle was a crafty leftie that would throw 200 innings and win 12-14 games.
Morrow appeared to be a guy on the verge of stardom.
Romero was the once future ace that was going to regain his confidence by taking on a reduced roll.
And Happ was an experienced veteran ready to fill in.

It's almost amazing when you look at it in hindsight. Every single assumption the Jays made - with the exception of Buerhle - completely blew up in their faces. The odds of that happening are astronomical.

Other end of the spectrum.

Dickey - A knuckleball pitcher that was getting up in age and didn't have as much success in AL as he did in the NL.
Buerhle - No complaint. He has been as advertised
Morrow- A guy that has never put it together. He is either injured or inconsistent.
JJ - Injured a lot and before he went to the Jays had one of his worst years.
Romero - Really no signs of him sucking.
Happ -Hadn't had a good year since 2009.

 

[TootooTrain]

but he did bring in a kid (that was just called up) in a bases loaded situation against the defending WS champs. seems kinda dumb, no?

Hardly a 'kid'. He's been brought up in these situations before, and has been fine.

 

[Bad News Benning]

What does Gibbons have to do with a pitcher throwing 8 balls in a game or a reliever giving up a HR?

AA and the players themselves specifically the pitchers, need to get their act together quick.

Gibbons decided to pick Pete Walker as pitching coach. A guy with no MLB experience and very little experience as a pitching coach. This is his staff he put in place. And its his staff that is ultimately responsible for getting the best out of this roster. There is no excuse for the coaches, players, or management. Full scale changes are needed.

20 freaking years with no playoffs. Leave the excuse making to Mike Wilner.