Prospect Info: #129 Arseny Gritsyuk RW

My3Sons

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I did tell him it in the last time. If I will have opportunity next time, I will remember every guy here who didn`t believe in him and I will ask him to not throw the pucks through the glass to them.

Next time you speak with him you might as well get it over with. Tell him that the Devils fans will want to give him a nickname. I can see Arty, Seny, or some spin on his last name, like Gritsy or Gritty. I realize the Flyers mascot it Gritty so I wouldn't support that. Ask him which one he'd prefer.
 
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I have a little talk with him in november 2020 about that and he was interest in.
He has actual contract with Avangard for this and next year. What will goes next after I don`t know. How his next season will goin, how much money KHL team will be ready to give him, what he will think about trajectory of his career, money and how Fitz and Grits talk will go.
If he will have another good season, I think it will be smart(and logic) to sign another 2 year extantion with KHL team for big money, and when the next 2 years extansion will end, he will be 23 yo and could start in NHL without AHL time.
I know everybody wants every player to play in AHL as soon as posible, but it is only one perspective of vision. AHL is a weak league. KHL have their own bad teams, but the level of competition and responsibility is on the another level. If Gritsyuk can play top-6 minutes(what he is already doing now) against top KHL teams andcan make impact\scores\learn how to play against top lines, he will develope more, than he will play against "De Leos with Foots and Clarks". AHL is good league for developing players who can`t\doesn`t deserve to play big minutes in adult leagues.
I can`t be sure Arseniy will be ready for top-6\9 NHL minutes after the next year. May be, may be not. I believe he wants some guarantee and must to make more to have them. For Devils perspective it looks like bring him in after next season is very reasonable - Tatar deal will end, Mercer still on ELC, defensemen signs, but I don`t think it is how russian players usually develop their career now. And I view this situation from a realistic perspective, not an ideal one. Whould be great, if he will score 30 goals in KHL next season, travel to USA after and play with Nico\Jack from the beggining. But what is the chance that everything will turn out so well and so soon.

I only want a player like Gritsyuk in the AHL because it means the NHL team can call him up at some point during the season. I do not think the AHL is a better league than the KHL (it's close though), though I do think it is better for certain Russian players who aren't getting ice time in the KHL at age 19/20/21. Gritsyuk is no longer in that position. The problem is that age 21 is the worst age to sign an NHL contract, so I imagine Arseny will spend the next 2 years in Russia.
 

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I only want a player like Gritsyuk in the AHL because it means the NHL team can call him up at some point during the season. I do not think the AHL is a better league than the KHL (it's close though), though I do think it is better for certain Russian players who aren't getting ice time in the KHL at age 19/20/21. Gritsyuk is no longer in that position. The problem is that age 21 is the worst age to sign an NHL contract, so I imagine Arseny will spend the next 2 years in Russia.

For now I think Gritsyuk in positiom to choose where he wanna be, and it`s better for us if this stance will evolve(it means Gritsyuk will play more meaningful role). And if he can choose, he will choose money and competition. Of course it`s great when your farm club is full of good players, but under the circumstances, it's going to be an impossible luxury. I`m not tellin this is not gonna happened, I just don`t think it will.

Next time you speak with him you might as well get it over with. Tell him that the Devils fans will want to give him a nickname. I can see Arty, Seny, or some spin on his last name, like Gritsy or Gritty. I realize the Flyers mascot it Gritty so I wouldn't support that. Ask him which one he'd prefer.

It's funny how completely calm this is perceived in a certain culture. And I am quite calm about it when I am in a certain discourse in an English-speaking environment. But as a well-mannered and quite adult person, I probably would prefer not to have such a direct conversation with a person about him in Russian.
 
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This feels like a free 1st round talent. Has he overtaken Amirov?
Amirov had a shoulder injury at the start of the season so he just started playing. He’s super talented, I don’t know how much of a sniper he is though. And he needs to beef up too, he’s taller but boy is he thin.
 
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It's funny how completely calm this is perceived in a certain culture. And I am quite calm about it when I am in a certain discourse in an English-speaking environment. But as a well-mannered and quite adult person, I probably would prefer not to have such a direct conversation with a person about him in Russian.


Calm or not, just understand he's getting the nickname whether he wants it or not. I'm just trying to avoid the mud slinging, name calling, and eye gouging that has taken place over Sharangovich's nickname. Can you imagine what would happen on this board if Sharangovich ever makes it to 30 goals and someone calls him "Vichyssoise"? The SpiderMan memes wouldn't do it justice. This is important stuff for a Devils fan. You of all people should know this. If you will act as translator, you can call me next time you two chat and I'll do the talking.
 

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Amirov had a shoulder injury at the start of the season so he just started playing. He’s super talented, I don’t know how much of a sniper he is though. And he needs to beef up too, he’s taller but boy is he thin.

I really like what I've seen from Amirov because he's a complete player with a terrific work ethic. I agree he needs some time in the weight room. Gritsyuk to me is looking like an exciting second-line forward -- he's smart, plays fast and is always on the puck. For a 5th round pick, he's just a revelation.
 

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I really like what I've seen from Amirov because he's a complete player with a terrific work ethic. I agree he needs some time in the weight room. Gritsyuk to me is looking like an exciting second-line forward -- he's smart, plays fast and is always on the puck. For a 5th round pick, he's just a revelation.

So NJ has now moved its unlikely source of NHL Players from the sixth round to the fifth round? There may be something to that (Sharangovich, Schmid, and Gritsyuk).
 
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So NJ has now moved its unlikely source of NHL Players from the sixth round to the fifth round? There may be something to that (Sharangovich, Schmid, and Gritsyuk).

I'd say Studenic was also a terrific 5th round pick in 2017. Keep in mind, that -- as late as the 5th round -- if you can get a player who is very good on your AHL team and able to fill in capably in case of injury for your NHL squad -- well, that's a terrific pick.

Under ex-GM Ray Shero, the Devils did an extraordinary job of drafting in the 5th/6th rounds. Truly extraordinary -- let's take a look.

2017
5th: Gilles Senn -- borderline AHL goaltender, not likely a great pick but not a complete washout
5th: Marian Studenic -- speedy and capable fill-in F for the bottom 6.
6th: Aarne Talvitie -- was looking like a steal until slowed by injuries and adversity. Still has capability to fill a AHL/NHL role like Studenic.

2018
5th: Akira Shmid -- looks like he has the possibility of being an NHL back-up and at the very least a good AHL goaltender, so a very good pick this late.
5th: Yegor Sharangovich -- a 2nd line-caliber F with 30+ goal upside, and an absolutely steal. The best 5th rounder of the 2018 draft, by far.
6th: Mitchell Hoelscher -- not likely to ever play in the NHL, so not a good pick.

2019:
5th: Cole Brady -- still developing for a middling Arizona State program, and a long shot to make the NHL. Clearly Shero liked rolling the dice on goalies in these rounds, and Shmid might be the only one who hits.
5th: Arensi Gritsyuk -- tearing up the KHL and looking like he'll one day be a terrific 2nd line F, the early returns are that Gritsyuk was an absolute steal and the best pick of the 2019 5th round.
6th: Patrick Moynihan -- Jack Hughes' good buddy has been excellent at Providence College, and although there's still time before any conclusion can be made, he's looking like a very solid candidate for the future of the Devils bottom 6.

I think we need to step back and realize how amazing these picks were. Shero did a tremendous job of accumulating late round picks and then consistently knocking them out of the park. What team gets the possibility of two top-6 Fs, two bottom-6 Fs and a back up goaltender in just three years of 5th and 6th round picks?? It's just a tremendous job by Shero and the scouting department.

Unfortunately -- and I need to state that I'm a big supporter of Tom Fitzgerald -- his strategy in the later rounds has been much more questionable than Shero. Where Shero went consistently for goaltending lottery picks, character/intangibles Fs (Talvitie, Moynihan) and upside Fs (Studenic, Sharangovich, Gritsyuk) -- Fitzgerald seems to have less of a "strategy" and more of a propensity to give certain scouts late picks of players they individually like to reward them and build loyalty. Fitzgerald's 5th/6th rounders after 2 years (Shlaine, Baumgartner, Vilen, Hurtig) have absolutely zero high upside guys and one guy with a pretty solid floor as a steady, defensive defender (Vilen), but at a position (LD) where he's absolutely buried on the depth chart -- ranking well below names like L. Hughes, Mukhamadullin, Okhotyuk, Bahl, Vukojevic, Misyul.

As a "young" GM, I feel Fitzgerald can improve upon this by working a more defined plan -- unifying the rankings of his entire scouting core and targeting areas of need, whether it be types of players he seems to covet at the professional level (defensively responsible and capable defensemen with size and the ability to handle the puck) or players this current scouting core was able to identify in the past (high-upside under-the radar Fs like Sharangovich, Gritsyuk, Thompson). I do feel that -- after questionable picks in the 3rd through 6th rounds last year -- the Devils made an outstanding pick in the 7th with F Zakhar Bardakov.
 

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When @Guadana tells you something, you listen to him.
btw you were very high on Rashevsky as I remember. Even in 2020. So you have your own trumps. Yeah, you did mention it in prospect topic. Good job, Steve.

I think Gritsyuk and Rashevsky success made Yurov`s position higher, because now MHL success is much more valuable in scouts eyes.
 
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Next time you speak with him you might as well get it over with. Tell him that the Devils fans will want to give him a nickname. I can see Arty, Seny, or some spin on his last name, like Gritsy or Gritty. I realize the Flyers mascot it Gritty so I wouldn't support that. Ask him which one he'd prefer.
come on. do better.

My4thSon is such an obvious.
 

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Unfortunately -- and I need to state that I'm a big supporter of Tom Fitzgerald -- his strategy in the later rounds has been much more questionable than Shero. Where Shero went consistently for goaltending lottery picks, character/intangibles Fs (Talvitie, Moynihan) and upside Fs (Studenic, Sharangovich, Gritsyuk) -- Fitzgerald seems to have less of a "strategy" and more of a propensity to give certain scouts late picks of players they individually like to reward them and build loyalty. Fitzgerald's 5th/6th rounders after 2 years (Shlaine, Baumgartner, Vilen, Hurtig) have absolutely zero high upside guys and one guy with a pretty solid floor as a steady, defensive defender (Vilen), but at a position (LD) where he's absolutely buried on the depth chart -- ranking well below names like L. Hughes, Mukhamadullin, Okhotyuk, Bahl, Vukojevic, Misyul.

I know we all hate the Lou comparisons, but Fitz drafting really reminds me of Lou. Hopefully Fitz can bring the same success Lou did.
 

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Hope Goose is telling him nice things about New Jersey.
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