Prospect Info: #129 Arseny Gritsyuk RW

[Guadana]

Russia win against Denmark, Gritsyuk with 2 assists.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

 

[Unknown Caller]

Gusev, Yakovlev, and Gritsyuk the shootout scorers for ROC.

 

[Guadana]

Arseniy Gritsyuk.

 

[barriers]

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

How’s he looked in general at the Olympics? What’s his usage looked like?

 

[Eggtimer]

From what I have watched of him , he has looked very good. Not really a good technical breakdown of his games lol , but to me he stands out on some shifts (in a good way) .
That was a very quick release on that shootout goal…. Nice shot kid. Happy for him and hopefully he signs ASAP.

 

[OmNomNom]

i swear to god if he doesn't sign here in the future

 

[Guadana]

i swear to god if he doesn't sign here in the future

He will not.

Like I said before, his real future opportunity to play is another 1-2 year deal in KHL after next season. It`s better for his development when he can play top-6 min in KHL.

And in today game one of russian commentators said that Arseniy wants to follow the path of Kaprisov, he wants mature and develope his game before going to play in the NHL.
May be something will change. but I think this is a perfect and the realest way.

 

[AfroThunder396]

He is probably not going to come over to play in the AHL.

That being said - Fitz was pretty aggressive about getting Shak to come over this year. I think he'll try to pressure Gritsyuk into taking only a 1 year deal and try to bring him to NJ for Fall 2023.

 

[RSeen]

He is probably not going to come over to play in the AHL.

That being said - Fitz was pretty aggressive about getting Shak to come over this year. I think he'll try to pressure Gritsyuk into taking only a 1 year deal and try to bring him to NJ for Fall 2023.

Is he allowed to take a 1 year deal? Wouldn't it have to be a 3 year ELC?

 

[AfroThunder396]

Is he allowed to take a 1 year deal? Wouldn't it have to be a 3 year ELC?

I meant pressuring Grits to take only a 1 year deal in Russia so he can come over the following season.

But since you asked, ELC length is dependent on the age of the player. ELCs signed by 18-21 year olds are always three year deals, ELCs signed by 22-23 year olds are two years, and ELCs signed by +24 year olds are for one year.

 

[RSeen]

I meant a 1 year deal in Russia.

But since you asked, ELC length is dependent on the age of the player. ELCs signed by 18-21 year olds are always three year deals, ELCs signed by 22-23 year olds are two years, and ELCs signed by +24 year olds are for one year.

Oh my mistake. And thank you for this information, I did not realize that was the case.

 

[Devs3cups]

Gusev, Yakovlev, and Gritsyuk the shootout scorers for ROC.

Devils legends!!!

 

[Devs3cups]

He will not.

Like I said before, his real future opportunity to play is another 1-2 year deal in KHL after next season. It`s better for his development when he can play top-6 min in KHL.

And in today game one of russian commentators said that Arseniy wants to follow the path of Kaprisov, he wants mature and develope his game before going to play in the NHL.
May be something will change. but I think this is a perfect and the realest way.

Do you not think he will sign with us in a few years? I trust your insight on Russian players haha!

 

[Guttersniped]

Is he allowed to take a 1 year deal? Wouldn't it have to be a 3 year ELC?

It depends when he signs.

Remember that 1) you can burn the 1st year by signing it for the previous KHL season and 2) an ELC can have a European Assignment Clause which allows a player to decline to be assigned to the AHL and return to his home club in Europe.

Some players have them for only certain years in their ELC and many have gone to the AHL even if they have them. It depends on the situation, particularly the players relationship with the team and their faith in the team’s plan for them. (Kravtsov played in Hartford and said he would play in the AHL for a new NHL organization, it sounds like he has a specific problem with the Rangers, specifically Drury when he ran Hartford and after.)

Kaspirov signed a two-year ELC on July 13 2020 that burnt his 2019-20 season and became a one year deal for 2020-21.

The only problem I have with him re-signing with his KHL team is players deals all seem to be at least two years long. He’ll be 21 in the last year in the current KHL deal.

If he gets another two year deal he won’t be in the NHL until his age 24 season in his Draft+7 year.

Kaprizov came in age 23 season/Draft+6 year. He signed a 3 year deal with CSKA in 2017.

I’m not saying he’s wrong about judging how he runs his KHL hockey career. (Because that would be weird.) He’s smaller that Kaprizov and, you know, not Kaprizov. So he might want to stay longer. He’s lighter, like Panarin, who didn’t come over until his age 24 year (but it was the equivalent of his Draft+6 year because of his October b-day).

Maybe the Devils could do the equivalent of what they did with Mukhamadullin, sign him and let him burn a year playing in the KHL. (I forgot that Muk is young enough that his ELC will slide but Gritsyik’s obviously wouldn’t.) I don’t know what the KHL team pays in that situation (or if they do or how that works at all really lol) and it might be different to have juniors players like Muk and Amirov on ELC playing vs a higher end older forward.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

To what extent do we own his rights? Does he have an out like college players do if they just stay in college?

 

[Blackjack]

To what extent do we own his rights? Does he have an out like college players do if they just stay in college?

No, players drafted out of European leagues are property of the team that drafted them until they hit 27/7 years NHL service.

 

[Guadana]

Do you not think he will sign with us in a few years? I trust your insight on Russian players haha!

Of course. I do. I think he will. I don`t think he will sign after next year. But he has a chance to play with Hughes\Hischier. I would think if Fitzy will make his job right, we will see him in the Devils uniform.
I wish Arseniy health and development.

players drafted out of European leagues are property of the team that drafted them until they hit 27/7 years NHL service.

Thanks Blackjack for his explanations.

 

[Triumph]

No, players drafted out of European leagues are property of the team that drafted them until they hit 27/7 years NHL service.

Because the KHL doesn't have a transfer agreement, this is not true - players drafted out of the KHL are NHL property in perpetuity.

Players drafted out of European leagues other than the KHL are free agents after 4 years after their draft, I believe.

 

[Blackjack]

Because the KHL doesn't have a transfer agreement, this is not true - players drafted out of the KHL are NHL property in perpetuity.

Players drafted out of European leagues other than the KHL are free agents after 4 years after their draft, I believe.

Okay, I was assuming that the UFA rules meant that a 27 year old that never signed an ELC could become a UFA, but I guess that's not the case.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Odds of him signing in NJ just went down right? Guy's now a legend in Russia with that shootout goal.

 

[Devs3cups]

Odds of him signing in NJ just went down right? Guy's now a legend in Russia with that shootout goal.

Apparently, he's our property in perpetuity. So he'll most likely sign with us in a few years.

 

[FooteBahl]

Apparently, he's our property in perpetuity. So he'll most likely sign with us in a few years.

Just in time for our 5th cup run

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Unless he absolutely explodes, two years is probably the preferred path anyway. No reason to jam the kid on to the roster, let him hone his game at home and come over as an established player.