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Arseniy Pleaser Gritsyuk. Hope My3sons will be satisfied.I can’t wait for him to please us.
Arseniy Pleaser Gritsyuk. Hope My3sons will be satisfied.I can’t wait for him to please us.
Don't worry, unfortunately we have got into that very rare window when a talented Russian hockey player earns money at home. He will definitely come later and please you.
He can't be making that much money there if he still has to do stuff like that for money...Don't worry, unfortunately we have got into that very rare window when a talented Russian hockey player earns money at home. He will definitely come later and please you.
What are the odds he comes over for us?View attachment 698588
This is Gritsyuk`s subscriptionsin in instagram. Rotenberg is a coach and director of SKA.
It`s a good news. SKA use forechecking strategy and they have really great coaches and physical coaches. Gritsyuk should leave SKA as a better 200-foot player.
Of couse, it`s a rumor still. You can find a couple of familiar names.
It`s a political question. If everything will stand the same - he will come after his new deal with his new team will end. I told about it a lot. If things will change in the world, than we will understand it without questions on board.What are the odds he comes over for us?
What are the odds he comes over for us?
I don't know much about the KHL but isn't SKA a powerhouse team? could joining them mean less minutes for Grits?View attachment 698588
This is Gritsyuk`s subscriptionsin in instagram. Rotenberg is a coach and director of SKA.
It`s a good news. SKA use forechecking strategy and they have really great coaches and physical coaches. Gritsyuk should leave SKA as a better 200-foot player.
Of couse, it`s a rumor still. You can find a couple of familiar names.
It mean he should play active forecheck in all three zones. SKA is very structured and good coached team.I don't know much about the KHL but isn't SKA a powerhouse team? could joining them mean less minutes for Grits?
I know theres the chance that Gritsyuk can perform right away if he came over around 2025 - but I gotta be honest, the odds of that are small and he would take until near UFA status to work himself out in the A if necessaryThey might be negligible because no one is pushing for it.
The team might be more than fine with him coming over after a 2 year contract as a more finished product.
If he signed a 2 year deal he would come over at 24.
For comparison, notable KHL players’ age during their 1st NHL season:
Kaprizov 23
Panarin 24
Mikheyev 25
Barabanov 26
Kuzmenko 26
AGM MacKinnon mentioned Kaprizov’s and Kuzmenko’s ability to come over and immediately play in the top 6.
I doubt Gritsyk needs two more years in the KHL but if the Devils brass doesn’t want have him do player development over here then he could use another KHL season.
He won’t have that much runway when he comes over, there’s an argument for not rushing him.
You understand nothing. His value is rising only, he as more ready product is more valuable for a team, as a good ready pro on elc deal on contending team, we own his rights forever until he will not play his elc to the end. He is only 22. Even four years deal put him in position of Kuzmenko.I know theres the chance that Gritsyuk can perform right away if he came over around 2025 - but I gotta be honest, the odds of that are small and he would take until near UFA status to work himself out in the A if necessary
I was big on this guy but the closer we get to 2024 the more Im out on him - his value is best now in a trade, not him continuing to sign more KHL contracts until hes practically a UFA after his first season
View attachment 698588
This is Gritsyuk`s subscriptionsin in instagram. Rotenberg is a coach and director of SKA.
It`s a good news. SKA use forechecking strategy and they have really great coaches and physical coaches. Gritsyuk should leave SKA as a better 200-foot player.
Of couse, it`s a rumor still. You can find a couple of familiar names.
No I understand perfectly - and my impatience isnt merely 'wow hes not coming over? Get rid of him' - its shared by every team in the league, draft by draftYou understand nothing. His value is rising only, he as more ready product is more valuable for a team, as a good ready pro on elc deal on contending team, we own his rights forever until he will not play his elc to the end. He is only 22. Even four years deal put him in position of Kuzmenko.
And our top six isn’t ready project - we still didn’t sign Bratt and Meier, and one winger slot is open anyway. We have huge actual example of Kuzmenko - Vancouver signed top-3 level winger in his prime only for 5 mil for 2 more years. 39 goals and 74 points. Having only Half of Kuzmenko will be huge. So your impatience remains solely your personal subjective impatience.
Yes, He is ELC player. You can use him as top-6 or even as 3rd line player.If he signs another two year deal and it ends at 24, you think the Devils are gonna have space for him? And if not, you really think he'll come over to sign in the AHL? He most definitely will not
Imagine having Kuzmenko on a good team for three years only for 900k, 5 mil, 5 mil. If he isn`t that good THAN ---->And you list Vancouver signing Kuzmenko - they f***ing suck, of course hed get playing time there. And he went undrafted. The Devils by 2025-26 will be major contenders, if not possibly the best team in the NHL; that isnt a roster you insert a KHL rookie into whos never played on NA ice. Look what happened to Chicago (and Panarin was 2-3x the player)
Having only Half of Kuzmenko will be huge.
I don`t care about name on the draft. You can call them whatever you want. You live in a free country. Gritsyuk was drafted, he is our prospect. It does change nothing. Its a player from 5th round. You can draft players with good names and have nothing from them. Vancouver, Minnesota and even Chicago(who didn`t draft Panarin) had(and have) a lot from their players from what they spent.Sorry but this is exactly why some Russians get a bad name in the draft. They stay over in the K for 4-6 years and then come over with little NA experience and immediately need a contract two years after their rookie debut in their prime ages. Its almost never a clean situation (neither Panarin wasnt and Kaprizov wasnt, the two best players for this example)
Yes - it is reality and you still can`t accept it. It`s your own personal problem. If some have the same - it`s the problem of people who can`t accept reality. If team drafting Russian player with high risk high ceiling - in the good case they have very good top-9\top-6\top-3\star player for one two years on elc and than sign him. Kuzmenko deal looks like a steal, even Kaprisov deal looks like a steal, Columbus`s Panarin`s deal was a steal. If you still have a problem with it - it`s only your problem. We spent 5th round pick for Gritsyuk. Good luck with your controlled NA 5th rounders.My impatience is based on the reality that has been KHL players for over a decade now. Mukhamadullin is so far outside the norm and is a player who was clearly willing to do whatever it took to get over to NA
What? Why he should do that? He is playing now in more competent league against much better teams in significant role. He isn`t junior player anymore who should work on many sides of his game. He will not gonna play in AHL because he doesn`t needs to. FOr his development it`s WAY MORE BETTER to play a couple of years in KHL and work on his two way game than playing run&gun AHL hockey. Again, if you don`t understand something and you have wrong expectations ->If Gritsyuk takes the high road and is willing to spend a year or so in the A, then by all means let em take his time. But I highly doubt thatll happen given his pedigree since his draft day and historically what happens with Russian forwards coming over at 24. And Im not losing a prospect of his caliber for nothing so if that means trading him so be it
No I understand perfectly - and my impatience isnt merely 'wow hes not coming over? Get rid of him' - its shared by every team in the league, draft by draft
If he signs another two year deal and it ends at 24, you think the Devils are gonna have space for him? And if not, you really think he'll come over to sign in the AHL? He most definitely will not
And you list Vancouver signing Kuzmenko - they f***ing suck, of course hed get playing time there. And he went undrafted. The Devils by 2025-26 will be major contenders, if not possibly the best team in the NHL; that isnt a roster you insert a KHL rookie into whos never played on NA ice. Look what happened to Chicago (and Panarin was 2-3x the player)
Sorry but this is exactly why some Russians get a bad name in the draft. They stay over in the K for 4-6 years and then come over with little NA experience and immediately need a contract two years after their rookie debut in their prime ages. Its almost never a clean situation (neither Panarin wasnt and Kaprizov wasnt, the two best players for this example)
My impatience is based on the reality that has been KHL players for over a decade now. Mukhamadullin is so far outside the norm and is a player who was clearly willing to do whatever it took to get over to NA
If Gritsyuk takes the high road and is willing to spend a year or so in the A, then by all means let em take his time. But I highly doubt thatll happen given his pedigree since his draft day and historically what happens with Russian forwards coming over at 24. And Im not losing a prospect of his caliber for nothing so if that means trading him so be it
Well I dont wanna make your bad day any worse so Ill just lead with saying Im only speaking about Gritsyuk specifically and Im not in any way trying to rile you or any other Russians up. Ive always appreciated your posts on Gritsyuk since we got him as well as other prospects, youve been quite active thereI`m not in a good mood today.
Yes, He is ELC player. You can use him as top-6 or even as 3rd line player.
Imagine having Kuzmenko on a good team for three years only for 900k, 5 mil, 5 mil. If he isn`t that good THAN ---->
I don`t care about name on the draft. You can call them whatever you want. You live in a free country. Gritsyuk was drafted, he is our prospect. It does change nothing. Its a player from 5th round. You can draft players with good names and have nothing from them. Vancouver, Minnesota and even Chicago(who didn`t draft Panarin) had(and have) a lot from their players from what they spent.
Again - it`s your only problmes and expectations.
Yes - it is reality and you still can`t accept it. It`s your own personal problem. If some have the same - it`s the problem of people who can`t accept reality. If team drafting Russian player with high risk high ceiling - in the good case they have very good top-9\top-6\top-3\star player for one two years on elc and than sign him. Kuzmenko deal looks like a steal, even Kaprisov deal looks like a steal, Columbus`s Panarin`s deal was a steal. If you still have a problem with it - it`s only your problem. We spent 5th round pick for Gritsyuk. Good luck with your controlled NA 5th rounders.
What? Why he should do that? He is playing now in more competent league against much better teams in significant role. He isn`t junior player anymore who should work on many sides of his game. He will not gonna play in AHL because he doesn`t needs to. FOr his development it`s WAY MORE BETTER to play a couple of years in KHL and work on his two way game than playing run&gun AHL hockey. Again, if you don`t understand something and you have wrong expectations ->
It`s only your own problems, boy.
May be you are not alone and you are sharing it with someone, even if don`t know about it - it`s not how things are going. Having Gritsyuk now is a huge advantage - he can develop his game in the second best league and join contending Devils team as ELC player. Having it from the 5th round pick is a big luck. You may not believe it, you may disagree with it, but it's the way it is.
Ok sorry, I was too harsh. There were some people in topic who doesn`t like him as a player just because, and in general, I am very complimentary about the players and prospects of the Devils.Well I dont wanna make your bad day any worse so Ill just lead with saying Im only speaking about Gritsyuk specifically and Im not in any way trying to rile you or any other Russians up. Ive always appreciated your posts on Gritsyuk since we got him as well as other prospects, youve been quite active there
I have no issue with Gritsyuk as a player nor him being in the KHL. Whatever leads to him becoming a better talent for the NHL one day, thats the right move. And we hold his rights indefinitely.
Im only thinking in what I find to be a realistic manner in the sense that our top-9 (with the optimistic assumption that Bratt and Meier sign) for the foreseeable future already consists of; 1) Hischier 2) Hughes 3) Bratt 4) Meier 5) Mercer and a far stretch for 6)Holtz/Boqvist
That leaves Haula, Tatar, and Palat as the current guys who are questionable at best. Though we are only talking two years. And once you add in any outside acquisitions over two years; its not leaving a ton of space.
Gristyuk would have to really shine in order to make the team right away with as little (or none?) NA ice experience. Simon Nemec is on record saying how crucial and difficult it is to learn the NA game and adjust to the smaller sheet, and I think we can all agree Nemec is a far more pedigree'd prospect than Gritsyuk is (even though hes a stud in his own right)
Im not against Gritsyuk making the team either; Ive watched a number of videos on him andI like his game in todays NHL. Do I think he can make the team right away? Sure why not, I saw Jesper Bratt make it at 19 so I cant possibly say he couldnt. And they may even give him that chance automatically based on his KHL resume. But if were the #1 Eastern contender or NHL team? If were tight on cap hes awesome to have but thats a roster spot from a vet for a team probably hitting on deadline deals.
Im all for whatever happens - a trade, a signing and AHL time, or a signing and NHL time. I just dont know if its all that realistic to assume so with how stacked we already are; and thats with numerous assets to play with for another trade or two plus free agency.
I just wish Gritsyuk, and many other Russian prospects, would try to come over earlier to better their chances. ButI also respect the desire to stay home and make good money. Im not trying to piss anyone off - im just stating the difference of him coming up now versus 2025-2026
@Guttersniped i reckon my long answer here can apply to most of what you ask. Games starting soon but maybe Ill tackle your post as well later, depends how things go probably lmao
I don’t see our top being so full of talent that there won’t be a spot for him and his low cap hit will be a huge selling point. (And Tatar will be gone after two years for sure, probably Haula too. Line-ups change all the time and we don’t know how.)Well I dont wanna make your bad day any worse so Ill just lead with saying Im only speaking about Gritsyuk specifically and Im not in any way trying to rile you or any other Russians up. Ive always appreciated your posts on Gritsyuk since we got him as well as other prospects, youve been quite active there
I have no issue with Gritsyuk as a player nor him being in the KHL. Whatever leads to him becoming a better talent for the NHL one day, thats the right move. And we hold his rights indefinitely.
Im only thinking in what I find to be a realistic manner in the sense that our top-9 (with the optimistic assumption that Bratt and Meier sign) for the foreseeable future already consists of; 1) Hischier 2) Hughes 3) Bratt 4) Meier 5) Mercer and a far stretch for 6)Holtz/Boqvist
That leaves Haula, Tatar, and Palat as the current guys who are questionable at best. Though we are only talking two years. And once you add in any outside acquisitions over two years; its not leaving a ton of space.
Gristyuk would have to really shine in order to make the team right away with as little (or none?) NA ice experience. Simon Nemec is on record saying how crucial and difficult it is to learn the NA game and adjust to the smaller sheet, and I think we can all agree Nemec is a far more pedigree'd prospect than Gritsyuk is (even though hes a stud in his own right)
Im not against Gritsyuk making the team either; Ive watched a number of videos on him andI like his game in todays NHL. Do I think he can make the team right away? Sure why not, I saw Jesper Bratt make it at 19 so I cant possibly say he couldnt. And they may even give him that chance automatically based on his KHL resume. But if were the #1 Eastern contender or NHL team? If were tight on cap hes awesome to have but thats a roster spot from a vet for a team probably hitting on deadline deals.
Im all for whatever happens - a trade, a signing and AHL time, or a signing and NHL time. I just dont know if its all that realistic to assume so with how stacked we already are; and thats with numerous assets to play with for another trade or two plus free agency.
I just wish Gritsyuk, and many other Russian prospects, would try to come over earlier to better their chances. ButI also respect the desire to stay home and make good money. Im not trying to piss anyone off - im just stating the difference of him coming up now versus 2025-2026
@Guttersniped i reckon my long answer here can apply to most of what you ask. Games starting soon but maybe Ill tackle your post as well later, depends how things go probably lmao
I don’t think it’s impossible at all that Arseni cracks the lineup next season.Depending on what he is look for money wise, but I think we need to take advantage of the opportunity here.
Ya, he's 22, he's been pretty good in the KHL, if we legit think he can be a player, then this looks like a great time to give it a go.I don’t think it’s impossible at all that Arseni cracks the lineup next season.
He could very good 3rd line depth. Maybe he can slot in the top-6 when needed.Ya, he's 22, he's been pretty good in the KHL, if we legit think he can be a player, then this looks like a great time to give it a go.