Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)

[LeaffanDM]

He's a year too late, who's got the hand in this negotiation? 64M cap next year, Murray didn't make it easy for himself, hope we are not talking about this next year with Kessel.

we are going to be in great cap shape after this season. i am not worried. if kessel still wants to be here, he will sign. or Nonis will go in another direction.

 

[RaskY]

If Minny offered Granlund, Dumba, and a 1st, Nonis would be off his nut to not AT LEAST entertain the idea. If they add a 3rd, it's a done deal.

This is close to what we gave up for Kessel haha. Three 1st Rounders coming back in this deal however.

 

[Dangles McGavin]

This. Don't even need to win the game. Just don't wanna get bullied by the B's anymore.

Both Mac and Orr can take on Lucic/Chara. Might not necessarily beat them but they would be worthy opponents (from a fighter's standpoint).

I feel you man. Last year was embarrassing beyond belief.

 

[Crispy Crust]

Couts + Voracek for Kessel

I'd do that probably.

Easily.

 

[Winreims]

Just because their proven doesn't mean it's the right choice. In order to prove yourself, you have to be given the opportunity first. Why not give Reimer and Scrivens this opportunity? If you were talking about a goalie like Ward, Lehtonen, Halak, etc. etc. Those solid starters in the NHL, then hell yeah make the swap. But it's not worth it at all considering the difference in talent level between Crawford/Emery and Reimer/Scrivens is really really not that much at all.

I'm actually interested in pushing for a playoff spot this year, so no I'm not one of those people content with a Reimer/Scrivens tandem and seeing they can handle the duties or not.

I didn't say swap Reimer for Crawford or Emery. My point was that they are better goaltenders and I wouldn't be opposed to having either along side with Reimer over Ben Scrivens.

 

[G51 K81*]

This. Don't even need to win the game. Just don't wanna get bullied by the B's anymore.

Both Mac and Orr can take on Lucic/Chara. Might not necessarily beat them but they would be worthy opponents (from a fighter's standpoint).

Trying to win with pure skills obviously hasn't worked judging on the past, if we can intimidate the Bruins though, who knows?

Sabres added Ott and Scott. Were in a pretty physically tough division.

Also to note, Mac and Orr would destroy Lucic and Chara.

 

[NigelTufnel]

This. Don't even need to win the game. Just don't wanna get bullied by the B's anymore.

Both Mac and Orr can take on Lucic/Chara. Might not necessarily beat them but they would be worthy opponents (from a fighter's standpoint).

Have I missed something? Is it confirmed that we've picked up MacIntyre?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

If Minnesota offered Dumba and Granlund for Kessel I would do it. The pick is something that isn't a deal breaker to me, but something I would try to get. If Minnesota want something else off our roster to help them in their run because this is a green light go for them to make a playoff run, we can expand the deal where a first is included. Now If Leafs offered Jake Gardiner also, imagine how much more we would get back? We would probably end up with this year's first and next year's also, plus another prospect. And it would really boost Minnesota's chances this year.

As I said lots of ways of playing this. We could afford to lose Gardiner if Dumba is in the deal, Minnesota wants a finished product and Gardiner is it, he also hails from Minnesota.

What would the Leafs get if Gardiner is included in a Kessel deal, a rather big and quality package.

 

[p.l.f.]

macintryre gives us an idea where things are heading LOL
gettin big n nasty!

 

[BertCorbeau]

If Minny offered Granlund, Dumba, and a 1st, Nonis would be off his nut to not AT LEAST entertain the idea. If they add a 3rd, it's a done deal.

Done from my POV ... Especially if the Leafs are in a sellers position come the trade deadline

 

[JMcLeaf]

macintryre gives us an idea where things are heading LOL
gettin big n nasty!

I hope he stays in the AHL all season

Unless we are tanking

 

[Crispy Crust]

Done from my POV ... Especially if the Leafs are in a sellers position come the trade deadline

I sincerely hope Nonis entertains the idea of trading Kessel if we are out of the race by the deadline.

 

[bobbyflex]

what's the depth looking like for LD?

Gunnarsson
Gardiner
Liles
Macintyre

and Rielly with an outside shot to make the team... I wonder if Liles could be moved?

 

[Drew311]

This. Don't even need to win the game. Just don't wanna get bullied by the B's anymore.

Both Mac and Orr can take on Lucic/Chara. Might not necessarily beat them but they would be worthy opponents (from a fighter's standpoint).

I really don't get the point of not having goons on the 4th line. Unless you have legitimate skill on the 4th line, why not have two or three tough guys considering the line is only going to be on the ice 5 - 7 minutes a night. Having a few really intimidating tough guys is much more worthwhile than icing the likes of Philippe Dupuis or Rickard Wallin.

 

[Epictetus]

For Kessel you would think you need 2 propects and a pick for a player of his caliber, the fit has to be there of a team that is making a run for it. We are going to have to take back some salary, the question is who wants to go for it now?

We know Minnesota is with the Parise and Suter signings. 2 USA born players, Suter and Kessel are already friends, if Minnesota was offering Granlund and Dumba, that would make me think long and hard. Add a 2nd rd pick and a conditional 1st if they make it to the Conference final and it would be hard not to say yes to that deal.

That would make the price of Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight far more palatable. You can atleast sell it as a saw off.

That's the return I would be insisting on Kessel, anywhere after the trade deadline and his value starts to go down.

Kessel was a good player for us, just the wrong time, he is a remnant of the Burke era, a trade that is still an albatross to the organization, may be time to cut ties, and Kessel may agree if we are retooling again.

For financial reasons, a Kessel trade doesn't really help Minnesota going forward, since they will then have Parise, Suter, and Kessel all locked up long-term under financial constraints. It's just not smart to dedicate that much cap space to 3 players, no matter how good they are. When trading Kessel, the team would want to have a significant amount of cap space.

Moreover, I don't really see Granlund and Dumba as the type of prospects that you'd want to be asking for in a Kessel trade. Kessel placed with good players will score 40 goals yearly, no question. I'd like to think he's worth more than these two prospects, who are good but not necessarily the solution for the Leafs going forward. The first round pick is meh, since I doubt it'd be a top 15 pick.

The team that makes the most sense as trading partners is the Florida Panthers.

What would the Leafs get if Gardiner is included in a Kessel deal, a rather big and quality package.

Minnesota has nothing outside of Granlund and Dumba, so why include Gardiner when this is in the range of Kessel's value alone (not that I would make this trade anyway).

If Minny offered Granlund, Dumba, and a 1st, Nonis would be off his nut to not AT LEAST entertain the idea. If they add a 3rd, it's a done deal.

It's worth considering for sure, but do you think this is the best you can get for a player who can annually score 40+ goals for a team with good players around him?

I say no (meaning the Leafs can do better). I don't rate Dumba at all. Granlund is a lovely piece, but not enough for Kessel. Then outside of these two, there is nothing.

If we could get Bjugstad from them i'd be so happy.

I'm interested in Markstrom the most. I don't value Luongo and his contract as manageable under the new CBA with the parameters the Canucks are setting with his value.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

what's the depth looking like for LD?

Gunnarsson
Gardiner
Liles
Macintyre

and Rielly with an outside shot to make the team... I wonder if Liles could be moved?

MacIntyre is a LW

 

[The Podium]

what's the depth looking like for LD?

Gunnarsson
Gardiner
Liles
Macintyre

and Rielly with an outside shot to make the team... I wonder if Liles could be moved?

Liles should be moved if we can a similarly valued C in the same situation, or a teams Top 5 prospects. Not worth it to deal him for a late 1st IMO.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Done from my POV ... Especially if the Leafs are in a sellers position come the trade deadline

If Nonis dangled Gardiner, Fletcher would be in no position to say no as he still needs to add to Suter on the backline, the return the Leafs get would be staggering, this is the type of deals that are good for both teams, one is farther along than the other, and it helps both teams.

 

[pspot]

I really don't get the point of not having goons on the 4th line. Unless you have legitimate skill on the 4th line, why not have two or three tough guys considering the line is only going to be on the ice 5 - 7 minutes a night. Having a few really intimidating tough guys is much more worthwhile than icing the likes of Philippe Dupuis or Rickard Wallin.

one of the main reasons the league should contract by 6 teams

82 games is a lot and if you want to maintain a high level of exiting hockey having 4 capable lines will go a long way.

 

[LeaffanDM]

wow. i am so glad that all these armchair GMs arent running the leafs. you guys are insane.

 

[JMcLeaf]

For financial reasons, a Kessel trade doesn't really help Minnesota going forward, since they will then have Parise, Suter, and Kessel all locked up long-term under financial constraints. It's just not smart to dedicate that much cap space to 3 players, no matter how good they are. When trading Kessel, the team would want to have a significant amount of cap space.

Moreover, I don't really see Granlund and Dumba as the type of prospects that you'd want to be asking for in a Kessel trade. Kessel placed with good players will score 40 goals yearly, no question. I'd like to think he's worth more than these two prospects, who are good but not necessarily the solution for the Leafs going forward. The first round pick is meh, since I doubt it'd be a top 15 pick.

The team that makes the most sense as trading partners is the Florida Panthers.

If we could get Bjugstad from them i'd be so happy.

 

[bobbyflex]

MacIntyre is a LW

lol really. my bad

 

[p.l.f.]

i think all the GMs are watching NFL playoffs right now

jonas seigel's leaf report 4:16pm

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=413458

 

[The Winter Soldier]

For financial reasons, a Kessel trade doesn't really help Minnesota going forward, since they will then have Parise, Suter, and Kessel all locked up long-term under financial constraints. It's just not smart to dedicate that much cap space to 3 players, no matter how good they are. When trading Kessel, the team would want to have a significant amount of cap space.

Moreover, I don't really see Granlund and Dumba as the type of prospects that you'd want to be asking for in a Kessel trade. Kessel placed with good players will score 40 goals yearly, no question. I'd like to think he's worth more than these two prospects, who are good but not necessarily the solution for the Leafs going forward. The first round pick is meh, since I doubt it'd be a top 15 pick.

The team that makes the most sense as trading partners is the Florida Panthers.

Minnesota has nothing outside of Granlund and Dumba, so why include Gardiner when this is in the range of Kessel's value alone (not that I would make this trade anyway).

The Gardiner piece is a fit for Minne, the old you have to give up something to get something since I am not sure Minnesota will want to move Granlund and Dumba for just Kessel. That's a big part of any club's future.

I had both prospects as bluechippers in my draft ratings, so I was high on them to begin with, Gardiner is a great young talent, he has had one good year, so he could go either way, but his value is skyhigh right now. If offered, I can't see a GM balking at a deal like this when you have just signed Parise and Suter to big contracts.

The whole point is we have to make a decision on Kessel, or he has to make one on us. The organization is at a point of righting the ship, we don't act and Kessel can turn into our Titanic if he is allowed to walk for nothing next year.

 

[613Leafer]

If Minny offered Granlund, Dumba, and a 1st, Nonis would be off his nut to not AT LEAST entertain the idea. If they add a 3rd, it's a done deal.

Done from my POV ... Especially if the Leafs are in a sellers position come the trade deadline

Done from my POV regardless, thats a great value package. Granlund is one of the top prospects in the world, is NHL ready, and is a C. Dumba just makes our longterm D look even better.