Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)

[Griffski]

If I'm Nonis I'm looking to dump Lombardi, Connolly, komisarek, steckel. Why do people pencil in komisarek on every line up I have him like 9 on my D depth chart he's terrible.

 

[JMcLeaf]

If we are going to trade 1 of Macarthur or Connolly then I hope we do it before the season starts. It's not the smartest move to start Kadri over them because it will hurt their trade value if they're sitting in the press box.

 

[ACC1224]

Young again? What the hell does that mean? Since when were the Leafs old? Weren't they one of the younger NHL teams? These quotes scream of BS.

Didn't the Leafs pick 5th overall with their quality goaltending?

It's going to be getting Aki Berg at the trade deadline all over again. Doesn't AA know hockey?

I think he means "young again" like they were the last few years.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Great. The Leafs need a goalie. Are they going to draft one? What a load of BS.

Young = more money for the owners. That's what he means. They know people will still go. Hell, they proved that people will go without a cup. Now they just proved people will pay and go without even playoffs.

Leafs have spent to the cap every year. Front loaded contracts like Beauchemin/Komisarek deals. Buried contracts like Finger in the minors. Bought out guys like Tucker, Armstrong. Most expensive management group in the league.

To accuse the Leafs of being cheap is silly.

Misguided in their efforts sure. But never cheap.

I personally think the best think thing for the Leafs in the long term is to sell, sell, sell on everything that isn't seen as a core piece 3 years from now (Phaneuf, Kessel, Rielly, Gardiner, 1st rounder this year, JVR). Then in the next group is guys like Kadri and maybe Kulemin, Lupul and Grabo.

As Chicago proved after their cup their is only so many untouchables on a team (trading Buff, Ladd, Versteeg, Campbell) and the Leafs as a losing team should have fewer then they did.

 

[p.l.f.]

"young again" doesn't make sense

i think he means "young" like BB was doing - just the same plan again as BB was doing. no difference. they are buds

 

[Ricky Bobby]

If we are going to trade 1 of Macarthur or Connolly then I hope we do it before the season starts. It's not the smartest move to start Kadri over them because it will hurt their trade value if they're sitting in the press box.

If the rumour of Burke having a conditional first offered for CMac was true. I still can't believe he didn't do that deal considering the # of candidates we have to replace CMac in the lineup.

Hopefully we still get something nice for him but I bet it won't be as nice as it was.

 

[Grant]

If the rumour of Burke having a conditional first offered for CMac was true. I still can't believe he didn't do that deal considering the # of candidates we have to replace CMac in the lineup.

Hopefully we still get something nice for him but I bet it won't be as nice as it was.

We still don't know the conditions of the trade but yeah, I think I would have done it.

For all we know though, the trade was a first rounder if the team made the stanley cup finals and MacArthur got 15+ points in the playoffs, if they didn't it was a 4th rounder, in which case I would say no to the trade.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Young again? What the hell does that mean? Since when were the Leafs old? Weren't they one of the younger NHL teams? These quotes scream of BS.

Didn't the Leafs pick 5th overall with their quality goaltending?

It's going to be getting Aki Berg at the trade deadline all over again. Doesn't AA know hockey?

Young again

What do you propose they do, oh wise one

 

[The Winter Soldier]

The big decision for Nonis is Phil Kessel, he can't afford to get into a Bob Murray situation next year with Kessel having leverage in becoming a UFA after next season. If I am Kessel I would be probably weighing my options after seeing how the man that brought me to Toronto was let go. He's not Nonis's boy and there have already been whispers that Nonis balked at the Kessel trade but Burke pulled the trigger anyway.

My guess is Kessel will be traded by this summer rather than Leafs risk losing him for nothing, Nonis can't have Kessel not resign and have Hamilton, Knight, Seguin hanging over this organization's head the next decade. The million dollar question or answer is you bet Kessel is upset that Burke was let go.

 

[p.l.f.]

Kessel for two 1st rounders ?

 

[Vexed]

The big decision for Nonis is Phil Kessel, he can't afford to get into a Bob Murray situation next year with Kessel having leverage in becoming a UFA after next season. If I am Kessel I would be probably weighing my options after seeing how the man that brought me to Toronto was let go. He's not Nonis's boy and there have already been whispers that Nonis balked at the Kessel trade but Burke pulled the trigger anyway.

My guess is Kessel will be traded by this summer rather than Leafs risk losing him for nothing, Nonis can't have Kessel not resign and have Hamilton, Knight, Seguin hanging over this organization's head the next decade. The million dollar question or answer is you bet Kessel is upset that Burke was let go.

i sincerely believe kessel doesnt care

 

[shakes]

Young again

What do you propose they do, oh wise one

You can bold whatever you want. Nonis is a smart guy. If he meant continue to be young, he should have said that. Young again infers that the Leafs are old.

I'm not the GM but when an elite goalie comes on the market you try to get him. Should they break the bank, no. Better than a lot of you saying failure will fix all the Leafs woes.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Race to the bottom started yesterday with the Franson signing, this all but confirms our defence is worst than last years.

If Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, or Nichushkin is the pot at the end of the rainbow. Mottau will be a welcome name on the Leafs forum next year.

Who is the second best defenceman on the roster? Komi or Liles. Ugh.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

i sincerely believe kessel doesnt care

If you are a player, and the guy that dealt for you and believed in you was canned. You think he wouldn't care? Certainly if I got a new boss, and I knew he balked at me getting my present position, I would the very least think about my options when my contract is up.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

The big decision for Nonis is Phil Kessel, he can't afford to get into a Bob Murray situation next year with Kessel having leverage in becoming a UFA after next season. If I am Kessel I would be probably weighing my options after seeing how the man that brought me to Toronto was let go. He's not Nonis's boy and there have already been whispers that Nonis balked at the Kessel trade but Burke pulled the trigger anyway.

My guess is Kessel will be traded by this summer rather than Leafs risk losing him for nothing, Nonis can't have Kessel not resign and have Hamilton, Knight, Seguin hanging over this organization's head the next decade. The million dollar question or answer is you bet Kessel is upset that Burke was let go.

Not to mention Kessel's NTC that kicks in next year. Now's the year to trade him if there's any doubt he'd re-up with us for a fair price.

 

[Kegs]

1996: HE - All-Rookie Team
1997: HE - First All-Star Team
1997: NCAA - Championship All-Tournament Team
1997: NCAA - East Second All-American Team
1998: HE - Second All-Star Team
1998: NCAA - East First All-American Team
1999: HE - Best Defensive Defenseman
1999: HE - First All-Star Team
1999: HE - Player of the Year
1999: HE - Player of the Year (shared with Ty Conklin)
1999: Hobey Baker Memorial Award (Top U.S. Collegiate Player)
1999: NCAA - East First All-American Team
1999: NCAA - Hobey Baker Memorial Award (Top U.S. Collegiate Player)
2000: AHL - All-Rookie Team

Seems like he was supposed to turn out to something good, what happened?

Imo defence to start the season.
Phaneuf-Gunnarson
Liles-Ranger
Holzer-Komisarek

And then when Gardiner comes back, takes Liles position and Komi moves to Press Box.

The islanders happened. He still has potential. Just needs some support

 

[SteveV*]

Burke leaving a total non factor with Kessel moving forward.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Not to mention Kessel's NTC that kicks in next year. Now's the year to trade him if there's any doubt he'd re-up with us for a fair price.

Nonis has to get Kessel under contract, if he can, or he has to trade him. Simple as that, to lose him for nothing and have Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight contributing to a rival, is the ultimate mud in the face moment this franchise cannot afford going into a new era.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

You can bold whatever you want. Nonis is a smart guy. If he meant continue to be young, he should have said that. Young again infers that the Leafs are old.

I'm not the GM but when an elite goalie comes on the market you try to get him. Should they break the bank, no. Better than a lot of you saying failure will fix all the Leafs woes.

Young again... Still young.. Semantics.

What Nonis was quoted as saying infers the only change we'll see (if we see any change at all) will be in goal so it looks to me that he shares the same philosophy as you. I'm confused as to why that led to to your post I initially responded to

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Burke leaving a total non factor with Kessel moving forward.

You speak to Phil? You sound so sure.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

If you are a player, and the guy that dealt for you and believed in you was canned. You think he wouldn't care? Certainly if I got a new boss, and I knew he balked at me getting my present position, I would the very least think about my options when my contract is up.

It's a business. If Kessel doesn't understand that by now....

I honestly don't think he loses any sleep over the Burke firing

 

[SportsProsperity]

No way he is infront of Holzer on the depth chart. This is just a Marlies depth move but he may get a chance with the leafs depending on how many D get injured.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Burke leaving a total non factor with Kessel moving forward.

Maybe so, but Kessel's limited NTC/NMC which kicks in 2013/14 certainly is a factor

 

[VanW27]

Race to the bottom started yesterday with the Franson signing, this all but confirms our defence is worst than last years.

If Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, or Nichushkin is the pot at the end of the rainbow. Mottau will be a welcome name on the Leafs forum next year.

Who is the second best defenceman on the roster? Komi or Liles. Ugh.

Gunner, but your point is well taken. The defense looks weak.

 

[Vexed]

If you are a player, and the guy that dealt for you and believed in you was canned. You think he wouldn't care? Certainly if I got a new boss, and I knew he balked at me getting my present position, I would the very least think about my options when my contract is up.

I would normally agree but I really think Kessel is that indifferent. Not making the playoffs is the reason he may go. I think he extends unless we bottom out again which I admit could happen