Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)

[ULF_55]

This is going way back, Trapp when with CSB as chief scout once told me to watch this little scrawny kid, remember this is pre small players doing well, excluding a few like Fleury. He said this kid had special offensive talents and he would make it one day. That player was Daniel Briere. I respected Barry He had a nose for good players and I know he loved Rask. Trading Rask was obviously a shot at Trapp's draft picks by JFJ, what a bad decision in retrospect. I still feel he has something to prove this year, abeit it is only a 48 game season.

Bruins probably wanted Rask because they had another can't miss goaltender prospect at the time from Finland and they wanted to pair them up.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Questioning a Mod?
Blasphemy! Lol

 

[ULF_55]

Oh we can judge Rask.

102Gp
47w
11so
.926sv%
2.20gaa

Way better track record than Reimer.

MAn you are all over the place.
Reimer looks like **** in camp. Simple fact.
Scrivens has been playing well enough to ge tthe Marlies near the top of hte AHL. that is a fact.

The article we've been talking about suggested Scrivens would be the starter on Saturday.

So why are you're panties in a such a bunch?

I can't even tell what you are arguing about.

You don't recognize playing net for the Bruins is different than playing for the Runnin Ronnies?

And the Marlies are a veteran AHL team, and no one said Scrivens shouldn't start, but people are giving up on Reimer. What was Scrivens doing at 23?

And my panties probably should not be what you are thinking about. Maybe get out sometime.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

But you have to start Reimer at some point.

You cannot just shelter him because he's struggling.

The simple fact is this "training camp" isn't even close to a training camp.

The pace is much quicker, harder and more of an intense practice, so for a goalie that hasn't faced this much pace in months, it may be harder to adjust.

I am absolutely not giving excuses for Reimer, as he's never been fantastic n the upper half of the net, but he's certainly capable of keeping this team in games with adequate defence in front of him.

With that said, I'd like to see the Leafs explore options outside of Reimer and Scrivens, and its widely speculated that this is on-going.

Think maybe the league have the book on Reimer, without Allaire, it will be interesting what St Croix does with him. Go high on Reimer is the scouting report, facing Miller and Price off the cuff is a challenge, we will know soon. 0-2 start?

 

[Kbs]

You don't recognize playing net for the Bruins is different than playing for the Runnin Ronnies?

That's an amazing nickname for those teams

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Bruins probably wanted Rask because they had another can't miss goaltender prospect at the time from Finland and they wanted to pair them up.

Hannu Toinoven or however it is spelled, they didn't always draft the best.

 

[charliolemieux]

This is going way back, Trapp when with CSB as chief scout once told me to watch this little scrawny kid, remember this is pre small players doing well, excluding a few like Fleury. He said this kid had special offensive talents and he would make it one day. That player was Daniel Briere. I respected Barry He had a nose for good players and I know he loved Rask. Trading Rask was obviously a shot at Trapp's draft picks by JFJ, what a bad decision in retrospect. I still feel he has something to prove this year, abeit it is only a 48 game season.

Ya certain guys just seem to know. Briere was another special player. Kadri could be another one but he lacks the intensity Briere, Fleury and Gilmour had. Kid needs to get pissed. Gilmour wasn't called Fluffy. He was 160lbs of KILLER. Kadri needs that attitude.

Rask needs to show he can be the #1 without a vet backup. BUt I sure wish the Leafs goalie had a 2.20gaa and a .926 sv% over his first 102 games. Heading into this season.

 

[ULF_55]

Think maybe the league have the book on Reimer, without Allaire, it will be interesting what St Croix does with him. Go high on Reimer is the scouting report, facing Miller and Price off the cuff is a challenge, we will know soon. 0-2 start?

IMO Price has improved. He used to be very good, but if you moved side to side he left gaps. Seemed to lock into position, and when the defense held he covered everything, but if the defense allowed some room to move he could get beat.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Ya certain guys just seem to know. Briere was another special player. Kadri could be another one but he lacks the intensity Briere, Fleury and Gilmour had. Kid needs to get pissed. Gilmour wasn't called Fluffy. He was 160lbs of KILLER. Kadri needs that attitude.

Rask needs to show he can be the #1 without a vet backup. BUt I sure wish the Leafs goalie had a 2.20gaa and a .926 sv% over his first 102 games. Heading into this season.

Kadri is pretty well known for being a chippy, chirpy fellow. He's becoming less hesitant to engage, as well.

The attitude will develop when he's shown confidence by the staff, and gains confidence himself.

 

[charliolemieux]

You don't recognize playing net for the Bruins is different than playing for the Runnin Ronnies?

And the Marlies are a veteran AHL team, and no one said Scrivens shouldn't start, but people are giving up on Reimer. What was Scrivens doing at 23?

And my panties probably should not be what you are thinking about. Maybe get out sometime.

Rask was putting on a show at every level not just for the Bruins.

Reimer has had his glove hand and blocker exposed. And apparently he is even worse right now.

Would rather have Gustavsson.

 

[ULF_55]

Ya certain guys just seem to know. Briere was another special player. Kadri could be another one but he lacks the intensity Briere, Fleury and Gilmour had. Kid needs to get pissed. Gilmour wasn't called Fluffy. He was 160lbs of KILLER. Kadri needs that attitude.

Rask needs to show he can be the #1 without a vet backup. BUt I sure wish the Leafs goalie had a 2.20gaa and a .926 sv% over his first 102 games. Heading into this season.

Do you think Rask would have that record had he been playing in Toronto?

Rask is the better option, but I don't believe for a second he'd have those stats if he had played with Luke Schenn and Phil Kessel clearing the puck.

 

[ULF_55]

Rask was putting on a show at every level not just for the Bruins.

Reimer has had his glove hand and blocker exposed. And apparently he is even worse right now.

Would rather have Gustavsson.

You mean right now after not playing for 10 months? Is that what you're emphasizing? That a goalie in mid-season form if sharper than a goalie that hasn't played in 10 months? You mean his glove hand didn't get better without playing? Without being coached? Without having access to his NHL coaches?

Do you really find that surprising?

 

[Im Old Gregggg]

Give reimer some time with the new goalie coach, wasnt allaire the one that preached to our young goalies to adapt his style of that stupid broken arm punch the puck out of the air maneuver..... I mean how could any goalie improve his cather with that wacky style he might as well made or goalies pull a blackburn and wear 2 blockers


I have faith in Riemer long term as atleast a cable 1b platoon goalie, scrivens i dont feel comfortable as the backup, bernier id be open to (for the right price) to platoon with riemer and he does still have 1A potential (despite goalies of his size are rare to come by these days)

 

[charliolemieux]

Personally don't think Reimer was playing that well at the start of last season, pre-concussion.

Sure he won, but:

game 1) Montreal hit the post about 10 times
game 2) he let in like 5 goals in the third period

He wasn't looking near as sharp as the previous year. He was winning, but meh

Ya people keep bringing up his 4-0-1 start before the Gionta hit and say look he was playing great. No he wasn't.

 

[charliolemieux]

You mean right now after not playing for 10 months? Is that what you're emphasizing? That a goalie in mid-season form if sharper than a goalie that hasn't played in 10 months? You mean his glove hand didn't get better without playing? Without being coached? Without having access to his NHL coaches?

Do you really find that surprising?

YES I mean RIGHT now.

After not playing for 10 months.

He sucks. He is rusty.

His timing is off. Call it what you want.

Apparently he looks bad enough for The Star to suggest Scrivens starts Saturday.

Is that what you hav been trying to ...um.."Prove"?



I know we've debated a few things before but right now you have lost me.

 

[ULF_55]

Ya people keep bringing up his 4-0-1 start before the Gionta hit and say look he was playing great. No he wasn't.

Did any goalie play well for the Leafs?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....status=&viewName=summary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv

 

[charliolemieux]

Do you think Rask would have that record had he been playing in Toronto?

Rask is the better option, but I don't believe for a second he'd have those stats if he had played with Luke Schenn and Phil Kessel clearing the puck.

Man. No one is saying he would have those stats on Toronto.

Just that he would be better than anything we have.

 

[ULF_55]

Time to lose the Reimer love people.

Did no one read hte Star today?

Sure don't sound good.

I know I already went and picked up Scrivens in my Keeper league. Might as well since it looks like he could be starting Saturday.

YES I mean RIGHT now.

After not playing for 10 months.

He sucks. He is rusty.

His timing is off. Call it what you want.

Apparently he looks bad enough for The Star to suggest Scrivens starts Saturday.

Is that what you hav been trying to ...um.."Prove"?

I know we've debated a few things before but right now you have lost me.

"Time to lose the Reimer love people."

You seem to be the one making a pronouncement on Reimer. I'm just putting realistic perspective on the situation.

One of the two have to be average this year for the team to be in the playoffs.

 

[charliolemieux]

Did any goalie play well for the Leafs?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....status=&viewName=summary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv

Gustavsson was doing just fine until Wilson the idiot, said Reimer was going to get the #1 spot back, when Reimer was still a freaking month away from playing.

Just watch Gus will light it up in DET.

He was just getting comfortable here and then Wilson throws him under the bus.
Allaire tryin to change him screwed him too. When Gus was the #1 and Allaire was complaining about not getting enough time with him, Gus was playing his best hockey.

Comedy of errors.

 

[charliolemieux]

"Time to lose the Reimer love people."

You seem to be the one making a pronouncement on Reimer. I'm just putting realistic perspective on the situation.

One of the two have to be average this year for the team to be in the playoffs.

Reimer is not that good.

Damn right it's Time to lose the love. He isn't our saviour.

If all we get is average goaltending we aren't anywhere near the playoffs.

Am I the only one having trouble decoding your posts?

 

[ULF_55]

Reimer is not that good.

Damn right it's Time to lose the love. He isn't our saviour.

If all we get is average goaltending we aren't anywhere near the playoffs.

Am I the only one having trouble decoding your posts?

I think all they need is average goaltending. Consider that over half the teams get into the playoffs.

Average would be a huge improvement.

Do you think Scrivens is the saviour?

 

[topched]

Reimer is not that good.

Damn right it's Time to lose the love. He isn't our saviour.

If all we get is average goaltending we aren't anywhere near the playoffs.

Am I the only one having trouble decoding your posts?

How can you make such a definitive statement with such a small sample size?

He's had as many good games as bad ones... playing on an AWFUL defensive team.

Goaltending helps defensive numbers, and defensive numbers help goaltending numbers. There's a ton of give and take. Even Carey Price and Ryan Miller couldn't get their teams into the playoffs single handedly. Check out Brian Eliotts rise to the jennings trophy this year... did you think he just magically found his game or that getting off a horrendous Ottawa team may have had something to do with him finding it?

No reason to write Reimer off, or even come close as of now. Give him a full season at the NHL level on a team that has even a clue what defence is before judging him.

Plenty of good NHL goalies have followed a similar career path. Do you have the right to doubt his a ability because of last season? Absolutely, but you can't completely dismiss him yet.

 

[rdawg1234]

Im not gonna write reimer off, but I'm definitely going into this season with Low expectations if he and Scrivens are in net.


However, as we get closer, a part of me really wants us to tank this year due to it being a short season and the draft being quite deep.

Trading for a bernier would be smart as well(although that doesnt give me any more hope, but at least he has the potential) or even Luongo n the summer.

So I dont mind either way what we do, I hope we get an extra 1st rounder, package with ours and try and move up and get that #1 C we badly need.

 

[charliolemieux]

I think all they need is average goaltending. Consider that over half the teams get into the playoffs.

Average would be a huge improvement.

Do you think Scrivens is the saviour?

Nope. Just a better option.

 

[rdawg1234]

Nope. Just a better option.

I think they're both average goalies and dont have huge potential. Neither looks like a star(below average agility, glove hands etc.)

This summer, or even mid-season, there's two goalies we need to go after:

Luongo OR
Bernier

Both only for a cheap cost, if we go for Luongo, I hope it's late in the season so we end up with a good draft pick.