Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)

[Phion Keneuf]

You don't like Defencemen that hit? How about leadership? There is nothing wrong with offence from a defenceman in the modern game, that's how the game is evolving PMD, defence men that jump up into the attack, when have the above attributes for that type of d man, it is far easier to find safe d man.

For our team? Give me the defensively sound Dman ANYDAY of the week.

Gardiner, Phaneuf, Rielly (our 3 best Dmen moving forward, are all offensive minded)

Your going to pair Dumba with who? Rielly? Phaneuf?

Brodin-Rielly would be a tremendous pairing moving forward.

And it's not like Brodin is inept offensively. He has good offensive talent as well.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I will take the steady, smart, smooth skating defenseman any day.

I seem to recall disagreeing with me about Finn earlier in the season for the very reasons you just cited you now like, you preferred Blacker because he was more dynamic player where you claimed his skills were much better than Finn's. Strange how you changed your philosophy in 3 months.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I seem to recall disagreeing with me about Finn earlier in the season for the very reasons you just cited you now like, you preferred Blacker because he was more dynamic player whose skills were much better than Finn's. Strange how you changed your philosophy in 3 months.

I like Blacker as a prospect. simple. Better skater than Finn, and stronger.

I like Brodin better than Dumba, as do most. also simple.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I seem to recall disagreeing with me about Finn earlier in the season for the very reasons you just cited you now like, you preferred Blacker because he was more dynamic player where you claimed his skills were much better than Finn's. Strange how you changed your philosophy in 3 months.

Wouldn't that mean that you changed you philosophy as well? Just saying.


But yes, I agree. Finn>Blacker, although I do like blackers upside

 

[The Winter Soldier]

For our team? Give me the defensively sound Dman ANYDAY of the week.

Gardiner, Phaneuf, Rielly (our 3 best Dmen moving forward, are all offensive minded)

Your going to pair Dumba with who? Rielly? Phaneuf?

Brodin-Rielly would be a tremendous pairing moving forward.

And it's not like Brodin is inept offensively. He has good offensive talent as well.

Percy, Finn, Nilsson, Granberg, Gunnarson. How many defensive D men does a team need? Does this team not need a physical, offensive D man more? Leafs defence and you would or should agree is sorely lacking on this team.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Percy, Finn, Nilsson, Granberg, Gunnarson. How many defensive D men does a team need? Does this team not need a physical, offensive D man more? Leafs defence and you would or should agree is sorely lacking on this team.

Why don't you just name MacWilliam as well?

Brodin would have the highest potential of all those guys listed.


Dumba would be behind Phaneuf, Rielly, Gardiner.

Simple as that.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Percy, Finn, Nilsson, Granberg, Gunnarson. How many defensive D men does a team need? Does this team not need a physical, offensive D man more? Leafs defence and you would or should agree is sorely lacking on this team.

You just choose to ignore the fact that Brodin is one of the best two-way defense prospects in hockey.

Why do you keep calling him a defensive D?

None of those prospects you just mentioned even compare to a Brodin.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Finn is more efficient, is smarter, and is better defensively than Blacker.

Replace Finn with Brodin

Replace Dumba with Blacker.


There you go

 

[charliolemieux]

We may have trouble getting fair value for Kessel if he does not want to return and if he is to be dealt this deadline. Got to think teams will offer more for Perry if Murray can't re-sign him.

The deal that brought Kessel to town may still haunt us, asked a well known reporter if Chuck Fletcher would do Granlund for Kessel and he said unlikely. That's the challenge for Nonis if true and if Kessel will want to test FA.

I think the extra year TOR can offer is going to be a big part in keeping Kessel.

I would have no hard feeling towards the young man if he wanted to leave this franchise after how some have treated him in this city.

Kessel has not gotten a fair shake at any turn. His reputation is complete **** compared to what he brings to the team. "One dimensional sniper". BS. He showed last year that given a talented linemate he can be just as good a playmaker as he is a scorer.

BUt back to his value, yes it is shot all to heck. We will never get two 1st round and a 2nd round pick for him from a NON-PLAYOFF team. DET or PHI might give us that but those picks are going to be in the 20s not 2nd and 9th. NO one is going to give up 2 shots at 1st overall for Kessel now that the rules have changed.

I think we have to keep him. Like it or not he is one of our building blocks.

Chuck Fletcher would not do that deal for $$ reasons.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Why don't you just name MacWilliam as well?

Brodin would have the highest potential of all those guys listed.


Dumba would be behind Phaneuf, Rielly, Gardiner.

Simple as that.

That's hypothetical, if we are dealing in hypotheticals Dumba could be ahead of Phanuef and Gardiner also when he has matured as a player. Really you think all these scouts Sonnier, Button, Seidel, and a GM Fletcher are wrong on him? I'm not citing one opinion here, that's 4 respected hockey people.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I think the extra year TOR can offer is going to be a big part in keeping Kessel.

I would have no hard feeling towards the young man if he wanted to leave this franchise after how some have treated him in this city.

Kessel has not gotten a fair shake at any turn. His reputation is complete **** compared to what he brings to the team. "One dimensional sniper". BS. He showed last year that given a talented linemate he can be just as good a playmaker as he is a scorer.

BUt back to his value, yes it is shot all to heck. We will never get two 1st round and a 2nd round pick for him from a NON-PLAYOFF team. DET or PHI might give us that but those picks are going to be in the 20s not 2nd and 9th. NO one is going to give up 2 shots at 1st overall for Kessel now that the rules have changed.

I think we have to keep him. Like it or not he is one of our building blocks.

Chuck Fletcher would not do that deal for $$ reasons.

Well, when it comes to getting the value out of him, you ask for marquee prospects in lieu of high 1sts. It's that simple. He will garner AT LEAST one top-flight prospect, roster player, and 1 or 2 of a team's top picks.

 

[charliolemieux]

Agreed. At least JVR, Kulemin, and Reimer are primed for success. Well Kuley and Reimer the most...

Chuck, i constantly preach that a mobile, shutdown dman that can play a two way game is one of our biggest holes (beyond 1c and 1g). And we have nothing that can do that in the system. do you agree?

I cant see us going up against these offensively gifted teams (pitt, phi) and shutting down their plethora of scoring machines.

What do you think? and who do you think goes this season?

Time to lose the Reimer love people.

Did no one read hte Star today?

Sure don't sound good.

I know I already went and picked up Scrivens in my Keeper league. Might as well since it looks like he could be starting Saturday.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

That's hypothetical, if we are dealing in hypotheticals Dumba could be ahead of Phanuef and Gardiner also when he has matured as a player. Really you think all these scouts Sonnier, Button, Seidel, and a GM Fletcher are wrong on him? I'm not citing one opinion here, that's 4 respected hockey people.

I'd bet my boots Fletcher trades Dumba before he trades Brodin....

And to add to that, I'm almost 100% sure, that 90% of GM's would ask for Brodin first

 

[charliolemieux]

Well, when it comes to getting the value out of him, you ask for marquee prospects in lieu of high 1sts. It's that simple. He will garner AT LEAST one top-flight prospect, roster player, and 1 or 2 of a team's top picks.

Sure. BUt if his name was LeDuc and was from some small Quebec town he would be worth 4 1sts after what he has done at his age.

Just the way it goes.

 

[Im Old Gregggg]

Dumba doesnt do it for me.... like others have said he is a phaneuf clone - the size advantage dion has & less pedigree


Dont see him being an impact NHLer, exciting to watch but not a high IQ and the physcial brand of hockey and (relatively) lack of size to play that style against grown men not kids must worry minny fans of injury problems in the future

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'd bet my boots Fletcher trades Dumba before he trades Brodin....

And to add to that, I'm almost 100% sure, that 90% of GM's would ask for Brodin first

He is just flat-out dumb.... a lot. Bad pinches, free wheeling, etc. His problem is that he doesn't seem to keep defense in mind. He's like..... a wild animal. He goes for the gusto when he's looking for prey, without thinking at all of the consequences of his actions.

Wonder who trolled this response bringing Dumba into the conversation, playing victim too much? Sounds like a derail to me.

BTW which one of Sonnier, Button, Seidel, Fletcher, or myself is wrong on Dumba?

 

[Epictetus]

I'd trade for Dumba just to trade him.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'd bet my boots Fletcher trades Dumba before he trades Brodin....

And to add to that, I'm almost 100% sure, that 90% of GM's would ask for Brodin first

Given your predictions of late, don't bet the house on it. If Dumba does become a Leaf, I will congratuate you for being right.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

His name isn't Dumb A** for no reason

 

[ErnieLeafs]

You had Dumba in your proposal for the Kessel trade return. Pay attention.

If you think Dumba is more important to a defense than a guy like Brodin, then yes, I think you're wrong.

 

[ULF_55]

Time to lose the Reimer love people.

Did no one read hte Star today?

Sure don't sound good.

I know I already went and picked up Scrivens in my Keeper league. Might as well since it looks like he could be starting Saturday.

Does that mean we can let go of the Rask trade since he sucks this week as well?

 

[Beleafer4]

Dumba is like a 185 pound Byfuglien.

 

[ChuckWoods]

Time to lose the Reimer love people.

Did no one read hte Star today?

Sure don't sound good.

I know I already went and picked up Scrivens in my Keeper league. Might as well since it looks like he could be starting Saturday.

There was a reason Allaire was working with James Reimer and his blocking glove positioning the way he was, and that's because it is seemingly weak.

Now with that said, is it something that can be worked on? Yes, it is.

But he broke down his mechanics for Allaire, and he's going to have another full season of new mechanical tweaks again.

IMO, We will see another season of growing pains with Reimer due to the turbulence he's had to endure. But his character, dedication and overall ability should lead to success in the future.

 

[ULF_55]

If the flaming and baiting continues you'll receive infractions.

Don't play word games they don't fool anyone.

 

[charliolemieux]

There was a reason Allaire was working with James Reimer and his glove the way he was, and that's because it is seemingly weak.

Now with that said, is it something that can be worked on? Yes, it is.

But he broke down his mechanics for Allaire, and he's going to have another full season of new mechanical tweaks again.

IMO, We will see another season of growing pains with Reimer due to the turbulence he's had to endure. But his character, dedication and overall ability should lead to success in the future.

The Article in The Star made it sound bad. Colton Orr was looking like Bobby Orr.

But seriously it sounded like Reims is getting beat regularly top shelf. Glove and blocker sides. With Scrivens well warmed up from hte AHL I could see RC going with BEn to start.