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12'/13' Draft Thread: Offensive flash is a beauty but defensive presence rules.

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rdawg1234 said:
It seems likely we could end up witha top 10 pick(well, 50/50 shot)

so who as of now are the top Centres in that top 10?

who would you pick at say 6th or 7th? I wouldnt expect top 5.
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Mackinnon
Barkov
Lindholm
Monahan


I wouldn't be shocked if they're all gone after the 5th pick...maybe Lindholm or Monahan might be available at 6 or 7 (no later imho)
 
Right now I'm liking:

1. MacKinnon
2. Barkov
3. Jones
4. Lindholm
5. Drouin
6. Monahan
7. Shinkaruk
8. Nichushkin
9. Ristolainen
10. Pulock
 
JVReemer said:
Right now I'm liking:

1. MacKinnon
2. Barkov
3. Jones
4. Lindholm
5. Drouin
6. Monahan
7. Shinkaruk
8. Nichushkin
9. Ristolainen
10. Pulock
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Mine would be very similar at this point...mostly torn between Jones and Nate Mac for 1 and 2.

1. Mackinnon
2. Jones
3. Barkov
4. Drouin
5. Lindholm
6. Monahan
7. Pulock
8. Shinkaruk
9. Ristolainen
10. Nichushkin
 
hmm sounds like this draft is alot deeper than last years.

Im hoping for someone like monahan if we have a 5-10 pick.
 
As of now, my tiers in terms of talent are:

Jones
Makinnon
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Barkov
Drouin
Lindholm
Monahan
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Nuchushkin
Pulock
Shinkaruk
Ristolainen

Im not really sure how to organize them within the tiers though. Those are my tentative rankings, although I still havent seen a lot of other top 10 candidates guys like nurse, etc. The difference between tiers are surprisingly small in this draft. Its a very good draft.
 
Beleafer4 said:
As of now, my tiers in terms of talent are:

Jones
Makinnon
---------
Barkov
Drouin
Lindholm
Monahan
--------
Nuchushkin
Pulock
Shinkaruk
Ristolainen

Im not really sure how to organize them within the tiers though. Those are my tentative rankings, although I still havent seen a lot of other top 10 candidates guys like nurse, etc. The difference between tiers are surprisingly small in this draft. Its a very good draft.
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Personally I'd put Barkov along with Jones, & Mackinnon.
 
I think that a good mid round steal would be Carter Verhaeghe from the Niagara Ice Dogs.

You won't hear a lot about this guy, but I think hej has a complete game. This means that he's responsible defensively, but has the skill to put up the points. He doesn't get a ton of time on the powerplay with Strome, Ritchie and Theoret but I would expect him to be a big part when those players move on.
 
showtime8 said:
I think that a good mid round steal would be Carter Verhaeghe from the Niagara Ice Dogs.

You won't hear a lot about this guy, but I think hej has a complete game. This means that he's responsible defensively, but has the skill to put up the points. He doesn't get a ton of time on the powerplay with Strome, Ritchie and Theoret but I would expect him to be a big part when those players move on.
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He's the type of guy I would definitely take in the 3rd or 4th round. Good catch.
 
TheFinnishKulemin said:
So essentially your reasoning for him being a lock at 2nd overall is as such:

1) he's ranked as 2nd by scouts. Therefore at therefore that must be his final draft ranking

2) he has high potential as said by scout as. Plus since he's big and skilled, he could step in right away.

3) because you say so

4)barkov, nor no one else will step in right away so we should ignore them

5) since no one is ranked higher than MacKinnon, their potential must not be high and therefore don't deserve to be higher than Jones

6) at one point you all but said his sure thing is pronger, or top NHL man. I don't actually really know because it was so convoluted

All in all, great logic.

1)scouts have already, multiple times suggested that barkov, Lindholm are right in the conversation for first overall. Meaning those scouts your logic is based on are saying its possible Jones isn't the BPA

2) same exact thing could be said of barkov. His potential is at the same level as Jones. And he's already playing on the top line in a pro league and has then size to step in right away. In fact scouts have said he's likely the most NHL ready player in the draft , more so than Jones (and how homes stepping in early makes any difference is beyond me. He's as unlikely to step into a top d pairing as barkov is on a top line center spot

3) great logic on this number.

4) stepping in to the NHL doesn't make a playuer the BPA. In fact it is often the biggest reason team take a player over the BPA

5)your logic here is weird. It doesn't make any sense

6)again not entirely sure what you were trying to say here. Your picking cherry picking high end upside. I could too with barkov (Malkin/sound in) or Lindholm (toeews/backs from) or drouin (giroux) to show why they deserve to be above Jones.

Your making some seriously wrong assumptions. Jones is by no means a lock to be the BPA player in this draft after MacKinnon and suggesting so is beyond stupid
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This entire post is rubbish (not even including grammar and sentence structure).

You've taken what I said, inferred what you want (for sake of your argument, not what was actually correct), re-stated it in a classic strawman, and then attacked it with your own opinion. So in essence, way to argue with yourself.

I will finally say that I am done here, as there appears to be a thread titled "If at the 2013 draft the BPA was a defenseman how would you feel about drafting him?", where other posts are discussing this very same issue.
 
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Beleafer4 said:
As of now, my tiers in terms of talent are:

Jones
Makinnon
---------
Barkov
Drouin
Lindholm
Monahan
--------
Nuchushkin
Pulock
Shinkaruk
Ristolainen

Im not really sure how to organize them within the tiers though. Those are my tentative rankings, although I still havent seen a lot of other top 10 candidates guys like nurse, etc. The difference between tiers are surprisingly small in this draft. Its a very good draft.
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Nurse has the physical skills, his head isn't there yet, my worry is will it ever be.
 
Epictetus said:
This entire post is rubbish (not even including grammar and sentence structure).

You've taken what I said, inferred what you want (for sake of your argument, not what was actually correct), re-stated it in a classic strawman, and then attacked it with your own opinion. So in essence, way to argue with yourself.

I will finally say that I am done here, as there appears to be a thread titled "If at the 2013 draft the BPA was a defenseman how would you feel about drafting him?", where other posts are discussing this very same issue.
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I like your style. Why respond to *what* he said when you can attack him on *how* he said it, amirite?
 
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