Sundinisagod
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With regards to a #1 center, I think we know by now what to expect from trades and free agency
12'/13' Draft Thread: Offensive flash is a beauty but defensive presence rules.
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With regards to a #1 center, I think we know by now what to expect from trades and free agency
Warden of the North
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If were at #2, I look at moving down a spot, getting another asset, and taking a C. We need an elite C like nothing else.
Yep. I think at 2 you take MacKinnon if he's still there or since Jones is more likely imo, you take him or trade down. Never pass on BPA without getting assets.
The Magic Man
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I don't think I'd move from 2, even if I wanted Barkov or Lindholm. Just take the best one and be happy. We have a lot of good D prospects, a clear #1 in Phaneuf and possible #1 in Reilly. If your scouts see one of the other forwards as a clear head and tails better prospect, take him. The team moving up may just do that.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Jones slide to 4 or even 5. Doubt it, but it's that good.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Jones slide to 4 or even 5. Doubt it, but it's that good.
The Magic Man
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I was looking up Seth Jones stats, and realized a 2013 draft prospect is leading his team in scoring, ahead of Ty Rattie.
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=134195&encode=TRUE
Nicolas Petan is talked about at all, and isn't seen on many scouting lists. Yet his stats are very comparable to MacKinnon.
Ranked 62 by the guru Craig Button.
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=134195&encode=TRUE
Nicolas Petan is talked about at all, and isn't seen on many scouting lists. Yet his stats are very comparable to MacKinnon.
Ranked 62 by the guru Craig Button.
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Depends who's picking but could happen. If teams, like us, are drafting top 3-4 he can drop. No way we take Jones.
SarcazemKadri
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The Magic Man
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I wouldn't put it past Burke to claim 'BPA' and take Jones at 3. I'd be surprised if he took him at 2 though.
If he sees a clearly defined group of 3, then take him. Jones seems to be hyped as better then Phaneuf. We then could package one of Reilly, Phaneuf, Gardiner or Jones for a 1C. Wouldn't be hard, IMO.
I feel like Edmonton is going to land Jones.
It's just the way these things work. They had the lottery build their future up front, and will get the block on the back end too.
Call it a hunch...
It's just the way these things work. They had the lottery build their future up front, and will get the block on the back end too.
Call it a hunch...
Commander Clueless
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A top five pick would be phenomenal for the future of this organization.
Top 7 would be fantastic.
Top 10 excellent.
Below that and I will be disappointed.
Drafting based on need:
1. MacKinnon
2. Barkov
3. Monahan
4. Lindholm
5. Drouin (winger but could easily be center)
6. Shinkaruk
7. Lazar
Drafting based on BPA:
1. MacKinnon
2. Jones
3. Barkov
4. Monahan
5. Lindholm
6. Drouin
7. Shinkaruk
8. Pulock
9. Lazar
10. Ristolainen
My current almost but not quite baseless opinion.
Top 7 would be fantastic.
Top 10 excellent.
Below that and I will be disappointed.
Drafting based on need:
1. MacKinnon
2. Barkov
3. Monahan
4. Lindholm
5. Drouin (winger but could easily be center)
6. Shinkaruk
7. Lazar
Drafting based on BPA:
1. MacKinnon
2. Jones
3. Barkov
4. Monahan
5. Lindholm
6. Drouin
7. Shinkaruk
8. Pulock
9. Lazar
10. Ristolainen
My current almost but not quite baseless opinion.
Sundinisagod
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Leaf Rocket
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I wouldn't mind jones at all. I mean imagine having a towering presence in the back end for our franchise.
Leaf Rocket
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Honestly if its out of the top 3 then yea I'd consider but aside from that not really.
When it comes down to BPA at 2, I put Barkov and Jones right there together. In that case, you take Barkov, as he's at a position of desperate need. We've ignored the center position with premium picks for too long. It's time to rectify it.
Commander Clueless
Apathy of the Leaf
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Never tell me the odds.
Just gotta get to 7...just 7 now. 7 or above and I'm ecstatic.
MacKinnon, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm, Drouin, Shinkaruk...Jones if it comes to it but if there was ever a time to draft for need it is now.
Come on now.
theIceWookie
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The issue a few of us are having is whether or not Jones would be BPA at that point. A few of us who have seen Barkov and Lindholm are not so sure they wouldn't be in the running for BPA, and maybe even challenge for number 1.
BPA for sure, but I'm not sure its such a lock for Jones at 2 anymore.
theIceWookie
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I've been very impressed with Petan and Bjorstrand on the Winterhawks. Petan is simply playing amazing. The only issue with both of them is size. Petan is 5 foot 9 and 165ish pounds. Button's made a good comment saying mistakes are made when looking at players and judging them based only on size. I would definitely be a huge fan of drafting him or Bjorstrand. He is playing with one of the most offensive teams in the WHL (Leipsec, Rattie are in the top 6 with him. Pouliot, Rutkowski, Jones are top 6 in defensive scoring. Bjorkstrand, Jones are top 4 for rookie scoring) but he's shown some serious skill.
Definitely merits consideration. Especially if he falls because of size consideration.
theIceWookie
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I wouldn't move either. Too much risk and I'm not really a big fan of moving down. It rarely seems to work IMO.
Jones would be crazy to add to Rielly, Phaneuf, Gardiner plus Finn, Percy etc. It wouldn't be prime but it wouldn't have a bad downside lol.
I'd still prefer Barkov over Jones (as I think he's the BPA to be honest) but if Burke/Morrison determine that BPA is Jones than so be it.
But I agree. I could actually see Jones slide, a tiny bit. Almost similar to how Larsson did. The top 5 is so close right now, that the order could easily move a lot. Lindholm, Jones, Barkov, MacKinnon, Drouin are all showing impressive top 5 skill.
It's almost eerily similar to the 2006 draft actually haha.
Johnson = Jones (Don't say Johnson is a bust. Extenuating circumstances that have been explained ad Nassau)
Staal = Barkov (Staal got Staaled behind Malkin/Crosby)
Drouin = Kessel
Lindholm = Toews (I know the comparisons have been made to Backstrom simple because they are both Swedish, but Lindholm plays a more agressive game similar to Toews)
Backstrom = MacKinnon (This is the loosest comparison but one I don't actually mind).
Jacob de la Rose was someone who caught my eye a bit in the first exhibition game - although I didn't pay too much attention to the Swedish team. Certainly a player who offers an impressive combination of size, physicality and some skill. Size wise he certainly caught my eye and seemed to work the boards well.
Perhaps someone to consider in the late 1st, early 2nd (although I suspect he's a 1st rounder by draft time). I know there's questions about his 'high end' potential offensively, but he looks like a safe player with good reward potential. I understand the term 'safe' can turn a few people off also
Perhaps someone to consider in the late 1st, early 2nd (although I suspect he's a 1st rounder by draft time). I know there's questions about his 'high end' potential offensively, but he looks like a safe player with good reward potential. I understand the term 'safe' can turn a few people off also
The Podium
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Or you take jones and deal him for a Seguin, a Henrique, a RNH etc. etc. use out #2 overall to acquire a young player at that level now.
Leaf Rocket
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Jacob de la Rose was someone who caught my eye a bit in the first exhibition game - although I didn't pay too much attention to the Swedish team. Certainly a player who offers an impressive combination of size, physicality and some skill. Size wise he certainly caught my eye and seemed to work the boards well.
Perhaps someone to consider in the late 1st, early 2nd (although I suspect he's a 1st rounder by draft time). I know there's questions about his 'high end' potential offensively, but he looks like a safe player with good reward potential. I understand the term 'safe' can turn a few people off also
TBH there are a lot of Euro prospect with high skills it seems but mainly are focusing on Lindholm and Man-cub.
I haven't heard much of him tbh nor seen him so I can't comment.
theIceWookie
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Jacob de la Rose was someone who caught my eye a bit in the first exhibition game - although I didn't pay too much attention to the Swedish team. Certainly a player who offers an impressive combination of size, physicality and some skill. Size wise he certainly caught my eye and seemed to work the boards well.
Perhaps someone to consider in the late 1st, early 2nd (although I suspect he's a 1st rounder by draft time). I know there's questions about his 'high end' potential offensively, but he looks like a safe player with good reward potential. I understand the term 'safe' can turn a few people off also
Eh I wasn't really impressed. Well that sounds bad. It's more appropriate to say I didn't notice him really.
Forsberg impressed me (funny enough, only after the TSN announcers mentioned he was invisible up to that point). He was making plays like crazy after that.
I also like Lindholm. Not an amazing game but certainly showed some of his skill.
Sundinisagod
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Question about trading down...suppose we hold the 2nd overall and Nate Mac is taken 1st, and the team at 3rd is somebody in love with Jones...can we trade down one spot with a promise from our trade partner that they aren't taking Barkov or whomever it is we're after? Or we make the 2nd overall selection but with a promise to the 3rd overall's team that we don't take Jones and they give us an asset?
showtime8
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Yea, I would say that you make the trade and not even bother trying to deal with the semantics of trading after the pick.
Also, you hold out for as much as possible or you make it seem like you take Jones. I think that you will drive up the price for teams that need a franchise dman.
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