Post-Game Talk: #11 - 11/05/21 | RANGERS @ oilers | 9:30 - MSG PLUS

[DanielBrassard]

Goodrow-Zib-Kreider works. We won't see Goodrow go to 10-16 line. Blais works with Chytil. Kakko needs to go to the kid line.

It works in what sense? 35% CF and 43% xG suggests otherwise.

 

[bl02]

For real. Mollie didn't even get her whole question out. Gallant's reaction is very telling, IMO. He's worried about him.

I understand both points of view but this kid was supposed to be one of the best things that's ever happened to this franchise. Never even coming close to getting a chance at a number 1 overall pick in our history. If this was Montreal or Toronto every other question would be about Laf.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Whether he’s worried about him or not he looks at Lafreneire as a 20 year old kid who hasn’t even played 70 games in the league yet. With the draft position and expectations he knows the media criticism is turned up to 11 on Laffy. He can see when an avalanche of controversy is just over the horizon and he’s trying to cut it off.

That's fair. I understand if that's what he's trying to do, but the criticism isn't unwarranted.

Hell, he's getting off light, I think. Imagine if he was struggling like this in Montreal? Hoooo boy.

 

[Mandar]

???? not sure how youre getting that from my post history. very easy to discern that im saying points aren't everything

not sure you understood his post to you

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

And look I know we’re all disappointed because that was a shitty loss, but getting points can’t be overlooked. When April rolls around, losing games like these in regulation comes back to bite you when you’re 3 points back of a playoff spot.

Should’ve been a win and I’m not happy only getting a point but that point does matter.

 

[gravey9]

I'm worried Gallant and the rest of the dang organization doens't seem to understand why Georgy is always getting peppered. It's because his style of play causes chaos in his own zone. Georgy just hasn't played a steady game for a while now where he calms the team. Everything is on the bring of havoc 80% of the game. It's like the difference between Mike Richter and Glenn Healy or Lundquist and anyone whoever backed him up. Same thing here. We just don't have the kind of D that can handle the constant pressure from top teams without having a calm goalie back there.

The good news is, there were plenty of really strong defensive shifts too where the forwards battled, stayed in shooting lanes, kept the play to the outside, stayed with their men. For as much bad D play as there was, there was also plenty of solid D zone play. There was just too much of it, period.

 

[Tob]

It works in what sense? 35% CF and 43% xG suggests otherwise.

hmmmm. well, let's see. well, I thought Goodrow was good at doing what he's supposed to do. Maybe there's a switching possibility still but I don't think tonight is the kind of performance that will make Gallant break up that line. Kakko should just throw a fit in the locker room.

 

[DanielBrassard]

And look I know we’re all disappointed because that was a shitty loss, but getting points can’t be overlooked. When April rolls around, losing games like these in regulation comes back to bite you when you’re 3 points back of a playoff spot.

Should’ve been a win and I’m not happy only getting a point but that point does matter.

you see a playoff team or a team fighting for a spot? I guess if Shesterkin continues putting up a 945 sv%.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Eight road games this season, and at least a point in each. Sure, we all would love to see them dominate...or at least outplay the opponent. Lacking that, then what is best? You wanna lose cause we arent playing as good as we think they can? What's the old saying...."I'd rather be lucky than Good"....I'll take the points since they dont give out style points.

for better or worse, them playing bad and losing, will bring resolution sooner. them playing bad and winning, keeps people from acknowledging there is a problem. there is a level of deniability they can be kept (aka, the points thing). the sooner the problem shows itself, the better IMO.

 

[LokiDog]

For real. Mollie didn't even get her whole question out. Gallant's reaction is very telling, IMO. He's worried about him.

Or frustrated with him.

I want to LOVE Laffy. He has the charisma. He seems like a fun kid with a big personality. But he has earned nothing at the NHL level and he is way too at ease and comfortable in the spotlight for where he is in his career right now. I mean, I guess if you’re comfortable you’re comfortable and you can’t really change that, but there’s a little too much joking and confidence in Lafreniere’s demeanor for someone who is putting up the worst freshman/sophomore season of a #1OA in 20 years. Again, I’m not sure what you could change since it just seems like he has that charismatic personality. And to an extent it’s good to stay positive and not let things get to you. But it if he’s constantly joking with “the big boys” during practice and in meetings and acting like he’s “one of the in crowd” while he hasn’t proven he even belongs in the NHL yet, I could see that rubbing a coach the wrong way.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

And look I know we’re all disappointed because that was a shitty loss, but getting points can’t be overlooked. When April rolls around, losing games like these in regulation comes back to bite you when you’re 3 points back of a playoff spot.

Should’ve been a win and I’m not happy only getting a point but that point does matter.

bUt i'M sO hArDcOrE i bRaG aBoUt hOw pOiNtS dOn'T mAtTeR iF tHeY'rE lOsSeS.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Or frustrated with him.

I want to LOVE Laffy. He has the charisma. He seems like a fun kid with a big personality. But he has earned nothing at the NHL level and he is way too at ease and comfortable in the spotlight for where he is in his career right now. I mean, I guess if you’re comfortable you’re comfortable and you can’t really change that, but there’s a little too much joking and confidence in Lafreniere’s demeanor for someone who is putting up the worst freshman/sophomore season of a #1OA in 20 years. Again, I’m not sure what you could change since it just seems like he has that charismatic personality. And to an extent it’s good to stay positive and not let things get to you. But it if he’s constantly joking with “the big boys” during practice and in meetings and acting like he’s “one of the in crowd” while he hasn’t proven he belongs in the NHL yet, I could see that rubbing a coach the wrong way.

Yup. I brought this up last page. He's giving me "too cool for school" vibes even though in reality, he still has a lot to learn.

 

[Unpredictable1]

And when you play 8 road games out of those 11 you’d take that all day in any sport

It's actually incredible how many people don't understand that.

 

[bl02]

And look I know we’re all disappointed because that was a shitty loss, but getting points can’t be overlooked. When April rolls around, losing games like these in regulation comes back to bite you when you’re 3 points back of a playoff spot.

Should’ve been a win and I’m not happy only getting a point but that point does matter.

every point definitely matters but the way we lost this being up by 3 in the second and against a below average goalie. Also after giving up a 2 goal lead in our very last game. Very frustrating

 

[Kravtsov420]

That's what I'm saying you're mocking points, when points are what determines seeding in the NHL. And somehow 6-2-3 is the same as 6-5 in your book. The three losses came in pond hockey (and one win did too).

what the f*** are you saying? im saying that points do not tell the story of how this team has played. people bring up points as an excuse for them being a good team which is a complete fallacy. time for you to go to sleep pal.

 

[gravey9]

That's fair. I understand if that's what he's trying to do, but the criticism isn't unwarranted.

Hell, he's getting off light, I think. Imagine if he was struggling like this in Montreal? Hoooo boy.

The weird thing is, I liked Laffy's game tonight.

I think Gallant was annoyed by the question because he's frustrated by the loss and sees bigger issues with the team. Laffy was actually strong tonight despite limited ice. He made a positive impact when he was out there. Gallant is frustrated by the game and took it out on Mollie because Laffy was the last thing on his mind in terms of what he thinks the biggest issues are.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

you see a playoff team or a team fighting for a spot? I guess if Shesterkin continues putting up a 945 sv%.

I do see a playoff team. I see a team that will probably start hitting their stride around New Years. As long as Igor can keep us afloat on bad nights through then it will help for sure.

Their good players are inconsistent right now and the kids are going to start coming at some point. The timing will get better, the structure will get better. They’ve had a tough travel schedule so far. We’ll have a nice home stand and get into a rhythm.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The weird thing is, I liked Laffy's game tonight.

I think Gallant was annoyed by the question because he's frustrated by the loss and sees bigger issues with the team. Laffy was actually strong tonight despite limited ice. He made a positive impact when he was out there. Gallant is frustrated by the game and took it out on Mollie because Laffy was the last thing on his mind in terms of what he thinks the biggest issues are.

This is also a fair point, but I'm not sure I agree with that assessment. He still was giving pucks away too easily and needlessly.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Gerard Gallant Post Game.

 

[DialUp]

I do see a playoff team. I see a team that will probably start hitting their stride around New Years. As long as Igor can keep us afloat on bad nights through then it will help for sure.

Their good players are inconsistent right now and the kids are going to start coming at some point. The timing will get better, the structure will get better. They’ve had a tough travel schedule so far. We’ll have a nice home stand and get into a rhythm.

I like your optimism. I see new years too for when things might get better, 2023, but new years nonetheless

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

every point definitely matters but the way we lost this being up by 3 in the second and against a below average goalie. Also after giving up a 2 goal lead in our very last game. Very frustrating

100% agree with you here. Should’ve been a win, would’ve been a win with Shesty. Georgiev is a goddamn sieve and it’s infuriating he’s still here polluting this team. He’s so hectic and unpredictable and coughs up rebounds nonstop and is just so uneasy back there. He’s a headcase and a mental midget. With his mentality he’s just not suited to be on a team expected to win. A rebuilding team can deal with bad goals happening more frequently because they’re more concerned with the process and growth but this team is expecting to win. He stinks.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I'm worried Gallant and the rest of the dang organization doens't seem to understand why Georgy is always getting peppered. It's because his style of play causes chaos in his own zone. Georgy just hasn't played a steady game for a while now where he calms the team. Everything is on the bring of havoc 80% of the game. It's like the difference between Mike Richter and Glenn Healy or Lundquist and anyone whoever backed him up. Same thing here. We just don't have the kind of D that can handle the constant pressure from top teams without having a calm goalie back there.

The good news is, there were plenty of really strong defensive shifts too where the forwards battled, stayed in shooting lanes, kept the play to the outside, stayed with their men. For as much bad D play as there was, there was also plenty of solid D zone play. There was just too much of it, period.

I remembered the blame Hank syndrome for how we would always play better with our backup in net. With Georgie it's the opposite. He demoralized them with every soft goal.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I do see a playoff team. I see a team that will probably start hitting their stride around New Years. As long as Igor can keep us afloat on bad nights through then it will help for sure.

Their good players are inconsistent right now and the kids are going to start coming at some point. The timing will get better, the structure will get better. They’ve had a tough travel schedule so far. We’ll have a nice home stand and get into a rhythm.

It's as if a team can never improve. And I also love the fact that Igor won't have the save % he does now (fair) but it doesn't work the other way for Panarin, Strome, and Mika. Only Igor will regress, but those guys won't progress.

 

[Mandar]

for better or worse, them playing bad and losing, will bring resolution sooner. them playing bad and winning, keeps people from acknowledging there is a problem. there is a level of deniability they can be kept (aka, the points thing). the sooner the problem shows itself, the better IMO.

I do see your point....but if you do believe that they can play better....then why wont you think they will? See...I dont think they are a bad team that is just happening to pile up the points like the Sabres did at the beginning of last season. I think that they are piling up points for various reasons (obviously Shesty....but he's part of the team, so I dont see why it matters if he is "stealing" games for us).

Maybe I'm being optimistic....but what they have done so far....points in 9 of 11 games....at least a point in every road game so far (8 games)....and not even playing to their potential? Unless you dont have that thought...that they will not improve....then we an all just be angry at getting points. I'm choosing to like the fact we are banking points....and when the uptick in play happens....its all the more sweeter.

 

[I Eat Crow]

100% agree with you here. Should’ve been a win, would’ve been a win with Shesty. Georgiev is a goddamn sieve and it’s infuriating he’s still here polluting this team. He’s so hectic and unpredictable and coughs up rebounds nonstop and is just so uneasy back there. He’s a headcase and a mental midget. With his mentality he’s just not suited to be on a team expected to win. A rebuilding team can deal with bad goals happening more frequently because they’re more concerned with the process and growth but this team is expecting to win. He stinks.

Precisely. Arizona is really the perfect place for him. Maybe Drury can pull some Sather voodoo magik and get one of their five 2nd rounders for him.