10 years. Time is up Shanahan.

[Superstar]

Clutch in a series they lost? Sure, I'm the one with rose colored glasses though.

Do you think they should have given Dion the Conn Smyth for his 'underrated' performance in that series too?

Yes, Kessel was clutch...he's the main reason the Leafs took the 4-1 lead with 10 minutes left in the game...he had a goal and an assist, and was a plus 1...Kessel has weapons that Marner does not, speed to burn and a lethal shot, in addition to an underrated ability to pass the puck.

Here are Kessels playoff stats the 2 years the Penguins won the Cup. Many also thought he was robbed by the media for the Conn Smythe one of the years. One could only dream that Marner could even come close to these numbers.

GP G A PTS
24 10 12 22
25 8 15 23

Even in the 7 game series against the Bruins, Kessel's numbers were respectable:

GP G A PTS
7 4 2 6

 

[Trapper]

Yes, Kessel was clutch...he's the main reason the Leafs took the 4-1 lead with 10 minutes left in the game...he had a goal and an assist, and was a plus 1...Kessel has weapons that Marner does not, speed to burn and a lethal shot, in addition to an underrated ability to pass the puck.

Here are Kessels playoff stats the 2 years the Penguins won the Cup. Many also thought he was robbed by the media for the Conn Smyth one of the years. One could only dream that Marner could even come close to these numbers.

GP G A PTS
24 10 12 22
25 8 15 23

Even in the 7 game series against the Bruins, Kessel's numbers were respectable:

GP G A PTS
7 4 2 6

Kadri and Kessel were great in that series IMO. Unfortunately Frattin missed the chance to make it 5-1 and the rest is well, the rest.

 

[Superstar]

Kadri and Kessel were great in that series IMO. Unfortunately Frattin missed the chance to make it 5-1 and the rest is well, the rest.

Yeah, they were both great...and I remember that Frattin miss, ugh.

 

[QJo]

So trade him for a some lesser talent that likely never played in the playoffs?

Better yet trade him for a David Clarkson type player that looked good for a playoff run and half a season.

I remember all this fake media driven whining about how Kessel could never help anyone win. How'd that work out.

Definitely agree about the Kessel similarity. People are emotional and say outlandish things like 'addition by subtraction'.. 'he's completely inneffective'... 'he can't play playoff hockey'..
Kessel should have a conn Smythe and no doubt Marner could go on to have the same playoff career.

Oh and I'm leaning towards moving on from Marner too but some people would just ship him for picks and think we could spend 11m better by just waving our wand in free agency. If you can't get a package that makes our weaknesses significantly stronger you keep him and swallow your medicine.

 

[myleafs]

Definitely agree about the Kessel similarity. People are emotional and say outlandish things like 'addition by subtraction'.. 'he's completely inneffective'... 'he can't play playoff hockey'..
Kessel should have a conn Smythe and no doubt Marner could go on to have the same playoff career.

Oh and I'm leaning towards moving on from Marner too but some people would just ship him for picks and think we could spend 11m better by just waving our wand in free agency. If you can't get a package that makes our weaknesses significantly stronger you keep him and swallow your medicine.

thinking thinking..........nah

 

[ACC1224]

Definitely agree about the Kessel similarity. People are emotional and say outlandish things like 'addition by subtraction'.. 'he's completely inneffective'... 'he can't play playoff hockey'..
Kessel should have a conn Smythe and no doubt Marner could go on to have the same playoff career.

Oh and I'm leaning towards moving on from Marner too but some people would just ship him for picks and think we could spend 11m better by just waving our wand in free agency. If you can't get a package that makes our weaknesses significantly stronger you keep him and swallow your medicine.

You could fill a book with all the idiocy that's been posted. The overly immature are easy to ignore though.

 

[Leafsfanperson]

Yes, Kessel was clutch...he's the main reason the Leafs took the 4-1 lead with 10 minutes left in the game...he had a goal and an assist, and was a plus 1...Kessel has weapons that Marner does not, speed to burn and a lethal shot, in addition to an underrated ability to pass the puck.

Here are Kessels playoff stats the 2 years the Penguins won the Cup. Many also thought he was robbed by the media for the Conn Smythe one of the years. One could only dream that Marner could even come close to these numbers.

GP G A PTS
24 10 12 22
25 8 15 23

Even in the 7 game series against the Bruins, Kessel's numbers were respectable:

GP G A PTS
7 4 2 6

A cute stat line during an historic choke?

Samsonov had good numbers in the Boston series this year so I suppose that means he's 'clutch'.

Do you want to resign him?

Kessel was so clutch never leading this team so much as a playoff birth without it being a shorten season. Clutch....

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Shanahan reminds me of Chief Wiggum.

Watching him lead this gang of misfits to new levels of inanity with each passing year is a lot more amusing than some might think. To be fair I don't think Shanahan is left shoe on right foot kind of special. But he's clearly incompetent at his job.

Along with everyone else working for this pretender contender team.

Their incompetence has provided me more entertainment than if they had won it all. It's like rubbernecking a wreck on the highway looking for a dead body. Fascinating to see in a horribly sick kinda way

We were spoiled with Dubas.

He was the gift that kept on giving. Everything that guy did backfired on him in the most delicious of ways. I thought the fun was over until Shanahan out did himself by hiring Treliving.

If Shanahan is Chief Wiggum then Treliving is Ralph.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Kessel should have a conn Smythe and no doubt Marner could go on to have the same playoff career.

Yeah and Byron Bickel deserved it over Kane.

 

[QJo]

Yeah and Byron Bickel deserved it over Kane.

I don't remember.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I still really like Shanny. Must be something wrong with me but I don't put blame on him and want him to stick around.

100% he gets snapped up right away if MLSE cuts him loose.

 

[Stephen]

Definitely agree about the Kessel similarity. People are emotional and say outlandish things like 'addition by subtraction'.. 'he's completely inneffective'... 'he can't play playoff hockey'..
Kessel should have a conn Smythe and no doubt Marner could go on to have the same playoff career.

Oh and I'm leaning towards moving on from Marner too but some people would just ship him for picks and think we could spend 11m better by just waving our wand in free agency. If you can't get a package that makes our weaknesses significantly stronger you keep him and swallow your medicine.

Not exactly.

You have to realize Kessel’s cup winning reform going to Pittsburgh and slotting behind Crosby, Malkin and Letang was made possible by Toronto retaining a portion of his salary for a number of years.

Marner could conceivably go to Colorado or Edmonton and a slot behind Mackinnon, Rantanen, Makar or McDavid, Draisaitl and co. But he would have to not be making $11-12.5 million to make that possible.

 

[Stephen]

I still really like Shanny. Must be something wrong with me but I don't put blame on him and want him to stick around.

100% he gets snapped up right away if MLSE cuts him loose.

It’s perplexing to me that the Shanaplan design didn’t closely resemble Shanahan as a player.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

It’s perplexing to me that the Shanaplan design didn’t closely resemble Shanahan as a player.

Imagine something like taking on MLSE, and then a pandemic, and expecting people to praise you about your success (that never happened)

That's a hard ask right there.

 

[QJo]

Not exactly.

You have to realize Kessel’s cup winning reform going to Pittsburgh and slotting behind Crosby, Malkin and Letang was made possible by Toronto retaining a portion of his salary for a number of years.

Marner could conceivably go to Colorado or Edmonton and a slot behind Mackinnon, Rantanen, Makar or McDavid, Draisaitl and co. But he would have to not be making $11-12.5 million to make that possible.

It's true that the retention helped facilitate that trade but I don't think the penguins spent their cap perfectly otherwise and with a deep dive into their personnel I'm sure they could have shed 1.2m somewhere and still had Phil Kessel on a cup winning roster there.

I feel the same about Marner. I wouldn't be shocked if he never made a cup or conference final. I wouldn't be shocked if he had a Conn Smythe caliber playoff on a cup winner.

I do think he is/will be overpaid in the sense that his salary will make it hard to build a winning roster here given the other salaries we have. I don't think it'll be impossible or even shocking in a different situation elsewhere.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I still really like Shanny. Must be something wrong with me but I don't put blame on him and want him to stick around.

100% he gets snapped up right away if MLSE cuts him loose.

Groan.

 

[darrylsittler27]

If you guys go back, look at the stacked prospect pool, all the extra picks we had and all the stupid own rentals plus signing Tavares but dumping Kadri, because it was his fault. You will see complete ineptitude on a very high level. A 13 year old fan could do better by doing nothing. And we still have no picks next year. They are either spinal tap or it's on purpose. Lose first round and say bye,bye.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Groan.

verb

1. 1.
   make a deep inarticulate sound in response to pain or despair.
   "Marty groaned and pulled the blanket over his head"
   
   Similar:
   moan
   
   
   

Like that? What a strange response. But I guess I'm the only person on the planet that actually likes Shannahan, and I don't even know how many n's to put in his name.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

If you guys go back, look at the stacked prospect pool, all the extra picks we had and all the stupid own rentals plus signing Tavares but dumping Kadri, because it was his fault. You will see complete ineptitude on a very high level. A 13 year old fan could do better by doing nothing. And we still have no picks next year. They are either spinal tap or it's on purpose. Lose first round and say bye,bye.

That wasn't Shannahan's job though was it?

He was above that. So you think he should have known with his crystal ball that Dubas would do this shit, and go back and fire himself or something?

I'm sorry but Shanny was a breath of fresh air when he came to TO.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

That wasn't Shannahan's job though was it?

He was above that. So you think he should have known with his crystal ball that Dubas would do this shit, and go back and fire himself or something?

I'm sorry but Shanny was a breath of fresh air when he came to TO.

He was sold to us as a breath of fresh air, but never delivered. He seemed to start off well by surrounding himself with experienced and proven people, then he did a 180 and handed the keys to Dubas, who obviously really shit the bed.

If Shanahan isn't responsible for the performance of the people he hires, what is he responsible for?



In over 20 years of working in management I've never had the luxury to simply blame those under me and wash my hands of responsibility.

 

[Suntouchable13]

All of talk in that season ending presser, but they still end up just doing the same thing. This guy is a loser and everybody he hires is a loser too. I am not convinced Tre or Berube are any good. I will be really pissed off if they re-sign Marner.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

All of talk in that season ending presser, but they still end up just doing the same thing. This guy is a loser and everybody he hires is a loser too. I am not convinced Tre or Berube are any good. I will be really pissed off if they re-sign Marner.

Everyone's here to collect a check. From top to bottom.

 

[darrylsittler27]

verb

1. 1.
   make a deep inarticulate sound in response to pain or despair.
   "Marty groaned and pulled the blanket over his head"
   
   Similar:
   moan
   
   

Like that? What a strange response. But I guess I'm the only person on the planet that actually likes Shannahan, and I don't even know how many n's to put in his name.

Failure is king..

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Another Christmas come and gone where I didn’t get what I wanted.

Numbnuts still runs the team. No matter what direction Shanahan's pursued he's failed spectacularly. At some point if you smell crap everywhere you go you need check the bottom of your own shoe.

Since 2014 when Shanahan was hired every position but his has been turned over.

The only two constants here are Brendan Shanahan and losing. The last time Toronto made it past the second round Justin Timberlake was breaking hearts as a member of N-Sync. The last time they won the cup Paul McCartney was doing the same with the Beatles.

This is a results oriented business.

If Shanahan were evaluated based on his results he would be let go. It's hard to believe he's survived one series win in ten years. Another first round flop and the greatest fan base in the world needs to be howling for the heads to start rolling.

Starting with the POHO of a management group that gives the corporate finger to their fans multiple times a season.

 

[Sypher04]

Kessel should have a conn Smythe and no doubt Marner could go on to have the same playoff career.

No, he shouldn’t. No doubt that he was excellent for the Pens in both years and they don’t win without his contribution, but he was absolutely not their most valuable player in either run.

The year that people complain about, Crosby had 3 less points sure, but he took in all the toughest matchups, played terrific two-way hockey, and was the leader on and off the ice. Kessel was playing on an excellent third line, behind both Crosby and Malkin’s lines.

Crosby also scored 3 of the 4 gamer winners in the Conference Finals.

Kessel was as close as anyone else for Conn Smythe consideration but anyone who suggests he was the MVP over Sid in either run is stat watching, pure and simple.