Value of: (1 yr rental) Matthews to COL BOS CAR SEA VGK
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Matthews has a lot more leverage in this situation than a typical RFA.
He could come out and say “I am only going to sign an extension with X team and that is who I want to be traded to” and it might immediately limit his own trade value with any other team that Toronto wants to shop him too. Most teams will only pay a king’s ransom for him if they know they are getting him long term. If he is only willing to extend with one team (let’s say LA) then that might kill his trade value in that sign-and-trade scenario too.
As a short term 1-yr rental his value is probably closer to the NJD/ARI Taylor Hall trade. A mixed bag of futures but nothing substantial.
The whole scenario is somewhat similar to Matthew Tkachuk. There is a lot of risk to losing Matthews without getting a massive return back. Hindsight is 20/20, but the time to trade him was probably a year ago before Tkachuk normalized this sort of power move.
He could come out and say “I am only going to sign an extension with X team and that is who I want to be traded to” and it might immediately limit his own trade value with any other team that Toronto wants to shop him too. Most teams will only pay a king’s ransom for him if they know they are getting him long term. If he is only willing to extend with one team (let’s say LA) then that might kill his trade value in that sign-and-trade scenario too.
As a short term 1-yr rental his value is probably closer to the NJD/ARI Taylor Hall trade. A mixed bag of futures but nothing substantial.
The whole scenario is somewhat similar to Matthew Tkachuk. There is a lot of risk to losing Matthews without getting a massive return back. Hindsight is 20/20, but the time to trade him was probably a year ago before Tkachuk normalized this sort of power move.
BLNY
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Matthews holds most of the cards, but that doesn't mean the return should be low.
dirtydanglez
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a huge problem with this trade is that the leafs obviously wont retain salary meaning a smaller amount of suitors.
i wonder if nj makes sense. nj moves on from meier and or bratt
i wonder if nj makes sense. nj moves on from meier and or bratt
lanceuppercut75
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One of Buffalo, Arizona, Chicago, Nashville or Anaheim could essentially buy themselves a 1st round pick or high end prospect by paying the money and cap space for one year to retain on Matthews. Looking at those teams, Chicago in particular stands out to me as a team in a good situation to do that. Big market team, not struggling financially, lots of cap space, not trying to compete right now.
I'm not saying that it'll happen, but I don't think it makes sense to automatically assume that a 3 way trade wouldn't happen for the sole purpose of a 3rd team retaining. I could see Chicago's GM convincing management to purchase a 1st rounder or equivalent prospect.
Nikishin Go Boom
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We can finally work out a Pesce to Toronto trade now.
Why not?
1.) if they are trading Matthews. There is nothing on the ufa market worth spending on they may retain.
2.) he will have all his bonus paid. He only makes league min. IF he wants to go there could easily be a 3rd party broker
Arizona could have a 5.8 million cap charge for like 300k.
He is as good as gone as a UFA next summer and will instantly become the most hated person in Toronto sports history. It's a good thing he wont play in Toronto very often as a member of the .... Arizona Coyotes.
Well, atleast he won't have to worry about playoff performance in Arizona.
Poppy Whoa Sonnet
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Could see Carolina interested. Two firsts for him unextended seems doable for them.
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I feel like LA is the team that can offer the most, is a realistic place he'd want to end up, not in the same division, etc. They make the most sense.
Tufted Titmouse
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I would retain half his salary next year, and also allow them to talk extension.
Hoping we deal him to Boston or LAK, as I think he will thrive in either place.
Hoping we deal him to Boston or LAK, as I think he will thrive in either place.
Depending on the results of the lottery you could probably get Zona's 1st or Hayton if TO lets them hammer out and extension.
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They should keep Matthews and move Nylander and Marner. Who plays 1C with Matthews gone? Tavares?
lanceuppercut75
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Tavares yeah.
If Toronto got Coyle or Kotkaniemi or Gourde or Karlsson back in the Matthews trade, you might see a first line of "Knies - (new guy) - (Marner/Nylander)" if those guys have really good chemistry with each other, with Tavares leading the second line. It's probably Tavares at 1C though.
Sabres should trade for him and retain . . . . Matthews! Leafs get picks and prospects. Two firsts and Kulich. Leafs fans get to drive to Buffalo and boo Matthews on his Cup run.
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Who is going to wreck their team for that overpriced loser? You honestly think a rental Matthews is going to fetch a 1st/top prospect and one of a team’s top players under contract? With his cap hit and long history of disappearing in the postseason? Hahahahahaha!
Dr Pepper
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Zero chance Matthews gets moved before his NMC kicks in.
Dubas has too much pride to blow it up, he loves his top guys too much.
Dubas has too much pride to blow it up, he loves his top guys too much.
Zubrus Coffee Maker
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Jersey would not be interested in Matthews, especially if we lose Bratt or Meier. The Devils have 2 #1 centres already, why get Matthews to move Hischier to the 3rd line? Bratt is 24 and has had flashes this playoff and Meier has been playing good physical hockey while being snake bitten.
Unless their contract demands are ridiculous (which would still be 4-5 million less than matthews), I don’t think New Jersey would move on from them at all. Even if they did, trying to get another top line centre doesn’t make sense
