Confirmed with Link: Zuccarello Re-Signs (1 year/3.5 AAV)

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

speaking of Kreider.. how does that work.. whatever he's awarded will that be for 1 or 2 years?

if it gets that far obviously.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Are they allowed to give him an extension on the middle of the season or does he have to play out the contract? Something tells me Zucc was doing sather a favor on this one giving him an extra year for him to clear cap space and see where the cap is at next season. Now lock up Kreider to a Stepan type of contract and DONT give brassard 5.5

He can sign a long term deal after January 1st if they chose to do so, they did the same thing with Hank back in 07/08

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

btw, with Mats signging at 3.5 for 1 year.. .. what does that make Kreider worth?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

6:19PM: Zuccarello says that one year was the best thing for both sides right now. He said that he is glad he isn’t going to arbitration. (Nettavisen)

 

[Inferno]

They can negotiate a long-term deal in January. I think this is actually a slick move by Sather. He gets him for a cheap cap-hit this season, and then will give him a longer term extension in January. It's a clever way of circumventing the cap by not having this year's cap-hit affect the long term average.

Sometimes you've got to read between the lines, fellas.

This is a smart move.

why is this such a great move?

if youre buying out free agent years, using this years salary to bring the overall cap hit for the term down is the smart thing to do.

next year is going to suck. lots of big names to bring back, not a lot of money to do so.

Staal, Stepan, Hagelin, MSL, and now Zucc.

UUGGGHHHH

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

why is this such a great move?

if youre buying out free agent years, using this years salary to bring the overall cap hit for the term down is the smart thing to do.

next year is going to suck. lots of big names to bring back, not a lot of money to do so.

Staal, Stepan, Hagelin, MSL, and now Zucc.

UUGGGHHHH

its not a "good move" at all, unless people think Zucc was a fluke.. that's the only way its a "good move". However, if we sign him long term before he hits UFA after January 1st, its kinda a moot point.

I don't think Staal is back next year either.. I think he's going to be traded, I don't see them giving him 5+ years with his injury history.

 

[NewLife]

This is ****ing sillly.

 

[Ilovemymum]

Lets see how well he plays this year to deserve a long term, lucrative deal. Sather is smarter than you think. Zuccarello is highly overrated by this fan base. He's a nice player, but far from a superstar.

Couldn't disagree more with the latter. He's one in the making. And he has taken off before, when they pulled the string too far. IMO Hank got a million too much, considering his age and his NY status that makes him go no where. Zuke could go if he's feels exploited for niceness on terms, or he get stuck next half year trying make Lombardi look like an elite winger. This is a risky, but probably unavoidable deal.

 

[Zucc36]

A lot of ridiculous overreaction here.

Good deal, would've preferred long term but you can't have it both ways.

Problem here is that part of why he got 3.5 mill was this really was his only good year. Another one rockets his value.

Yes, and that might just bight Sather in the ass..... It could be a brilliant move by him, but it also can be a big mistake. There is of course a limit for Zucc when it comes to "being nice" and helping the club with the cap space issues. If he is not re signed before UFA, and he has a new fantastic season, he will get huge long term offers from others. And he will take it if Sather don´t match.

 

[BBKers]

Smart move
Gives small yet necessary flexibility to completing the assembly of this years roster
Resigning our beloved Hobbit (sans RB) at the beginning of next year at 4/18-20 is now likely
Zuccarello really wants to stay a Ranger
Gotta give him due credit for this
The inclusion of the Canadian TV money next year will bring the cap up quite a bit
Guessing $75-76 M
Will be creating ample money to resign most if not all of our free agents
Only X-factor would be if we were to win the SC this year making some of our key players too ex$pensive to resign
Nice problem to have though
Kreider will get done soon at around 2,2-2,4 M
Moore gets just over 1M
Brassard is the dark horse. Could see an arbitrator ruling for one year as the outcome. Slightly above 4 M
Thereafter we hopefully sign 2 more depth players on the cheap
Would be nice if Kevin Hayes is one of them
I see a smaller trade taking place after camp as well
Plus a deadline splash
Sather is going all in this year
Be so certain

 

[silverfish]

I think it's far from a 'smart move'

It's a very short-term solution today that could certainly become a long-term problem.

If Zuccarello continues or improves upon his 59 point pace, he can hit the UFA market next season and get absolutely paid. Something the Rangers would be hard-pressed not to match.

I wonder if we could have locked him up to 4 years at $4.3-$4.5 this off-season, rather than hold him for $3.5m this year, and have him run away / have to sign him to a $5m+ contract. Something he certainly earns if he continues his play.

 

[Wolfy*]

Zucc just wants to be a Ranger. His loyalty towards this team is very strong, and he wants to help in any way he can.

I'm sure he'll accept six years or whatever at 4 per, even if others offer 6. I have a feeling Zucc will stay here for most of his career if he continues his nice production.

He should be awarded an A on his chest, really deserves that.

 

[Algernop Kreider]

I think it's far from a 'smart move'

It's a very short-term solution today that could certainly become a long-term problem.

If Zuccarello continues or improves upon his 59 point pace, he can hit the UFA market next season and get absolutely paid. Something the Rangers would be hard-pressed not to match.

I wonder if we could have locked him up to 4 years at $4.3-$4.5 this off-season, rather than hold him for $3.5m this year, and have him run away / have to sign him to a $5m+ contract. Something he certainly earns if he continues his play.

He won't hit UFA. If they didn't have a long term extension lined up, he would have just gone to arbitration and gotten more money for this season before he walked.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Canadian TV contract paid the NHL $140M. The new TV contract will pay the NHL $375M next season. Those figures are in Canadian dollars.

The NHL had 6 outdoor games last season. They have 2 scheduled for this coming season. The outdoor games print money. Winter Classic in Washington and game in San Francisco between SJ and LA.

That's a significant shortfall in revenue. They packed over 100,000 into Michigan stadium and have 5 other games.

The Canadian dollar is major factor. If it wasn't a factor,the cap would be $71M instead of $69M. The players didn't want to include any of the new TV money because they would lose more money in escrow. The players are guaranteed 50%. Not a penny more.

The NHL gave a $71M estimate for the cap in early December. The dollar slumped and Bettman lowered the estimate to $69M-$70M. The NHL tried to get the TV money into the mix to get it back to $71M but the players wouldn't go for it.

Every year the cap is going up to $75M.

 

[RangerBoy]

Zuccarello didn't do the Rangers a favor. He looked out for himself as he should. Its a business. The players have short careers and they should try to maximize every dollar. The Rangers didn't have the space to give him what he wanted. The team will cut the players as soon as they have no more use for him. Doing the Rangers a favor is taking the same money in a long-term deal. Newport would never let him sign that. He pays them to negotiate for him. Zuccarello could save 3%-5% and negotiate the contract by himself if he didn't care to have an agency represent him.

 

[haohmaru]

If Zuccarello continues or improves upon his 59 point pace, he can hit the UFA market next season and get absolutely paid. Something the Rangers would be hard-pressed not to match.

I wonder if we could have locked him up to 4 years at $4.3-$4.5 this off-season, rather than hold him for $3.5m this year, and have him run away / have to sign him to a $5m+ contract. Something he certainly earns if he continues his play.

Exactly how I feel. There's little reason to think he can't have similar production and, if he does, will increase what he's worth as a UFA.

Unless the Rangers somehow succeed in signing him to an extension before the end of the season (which really goes against Sather's history FWIW) then this a marginal short term solution to a long term problem. 4 x 4, or something, would've been a lot more to my liking.

 

[Off Sides]

The Canadian TV contract paid the NHL $140M. The new TV contract will pay the NHL $375M next season. Those figures are in Canadian dollars.

The NHL had 6 outdoor games last season. They have 2 scheduled for this coming season. The outdoor games print money. Winter Classic in Washington and game in San Francisco between SJ and LA.

That's a significant shortfall in revenue. They packed over 100,000 into Michigan stadium and have 5 other games.

The Canadian dollar is major factor. If it wasn't a factor,the cap would be $71M instead of $69M. The players didn't want to include any of the new TV money because they would lose more money in escrow. The players are guaranteed 50%. Not a penny more.

The NHL gave a $71M estimate for the cap in early December. The dollar slumped and Bettman lowered the estimate to $69M-$70M. The NHL tried to get the TV money into the mix to get it back to $71M but the players wouldn't go for it.

Every year the cap is going up to $75M.

I read the players did include half of the TV money into this years cap.

Ultimately, the NHL and the NHLPA had to come up with a compromise on the cap number. The league’s new collective agreement allows the two sides to factor in large new sources of revenue – like the 12-year, $5.2-billion TV deal they signed with Rogers that kicks in this fall – ahead of schedule when it comes to the cap calculation.

Of that new money, there was roughly $100-million for next season alone that was above and beyond the previous Canadian TV contract.

Including all of that TV revenue growth would have boosted the cap $2-million to $70-million, which is what the league pushed for.

The NHLPA’s resistance, however, led to them including only half of the Rogers cash for 2014-15, which is how they settled on a $69-million cap and $51-million floor.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ry-cap-got-set-at-69-million/article19387905/

 

[darko]

Zucc just wants to be a Ranger. His loyalty towards this team is very strong, and he wants to help in any way he can.

I'm sure he'll accept six years or whatever at 4 per, even if others offer 6. I have a feeling Zucc will stay here for most of his career if he continues his nice production.

He should be awarded an A on his chest, really deserves that.

I'll believe it when I see it. That's 12 mill he'd be leaving on the table.

 

[silverfish]

He won't hit UFA. If they didn't have a long term extension lined up, he would have just gone to arbitration and gotten more money for this season before he walked.

Um, what?

If they have a long-term extension lined up, then why didn't he just sign long-term today?

This move is in Zuccarello's best interest. It helps the Rangers today because $3.5m is a smaller hit than would have been let's say $4.25m on a long-term deal, but Zucc's is looking out for #1. He'll be able to cash in big time as a pending UFA if he continues on his pace - which all signs point to happening.

 

[Whiskers*]

Dario, I want a little of what your drinking!! Would you pass up 12 million to be a nice guy at your job? Please don't make such dumb remarks!!

 

[Fletch]

Um, what?

If they have a long-term extension lined up, then why didn't he just sign long-term today?

This move is in Zuccarello's best interest. It helps the Rangers today because $3.5m is a smaller hit than would have been let's say $4.25m on a long-term deal, but Zucc's is looking out for #1. He'll be able to cash in big time as a pending UFA if he continues on his pace - which all signs point to happening.

I think what is meant is there is a wink and a nod that discussions will open up in January on a long-term deal but because of the cap situation this was the best they can do for now. Of course, I doubt any real numbers for a long-term deal were discussed and it was more like, let's do this now, focus on getting ready for camp and revisit later.

 

[Ilovemymum]

Um, what?

If they have a long-term extension lined up, then why didn't he just sign long-term today?

This move is in Zuccarello's best interest. It helps the Rangers today because $3.5m is a smaller hit than would have been let's say $4.25m on a long-term deal, but Zucc's is looking out for #1. He'll be able to cash in big time as a pending UFA if he continues on his pace - which all signs point to happening.

My thinking too. This is out of necessity. They could have signed him for 3.5 now with an increase to e.g. 4.5 the following next years? The fact that they didn't, kind of indicates that he will use his approaching UFA status for what it's worth?
No me gusta.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Um, what?

If they have a long-term extension lined up, then why didn't he just sign long-term today?

This move is in Zuccarello's best interest. It helps the Rangers today because $3.5m is a smaller hit than would have been let's say $4.25m on a long-term deal, but Zucc's is looking out for #1. He'll be able to cash in big time as a pending UFA if he continues on his pace - which all signs point to happening.

I think its far less likely Zuccarello planned this for himself, and far more likely the Rangers simply didn't offer a long-term deal.

And rightfully so.

One good season shouldn't net a guy a 4-5 year deal. If he proves he can do it again, he'll be rewarded handsomely here or somewhere else.

 

[darko]

My thinking too. This is out of necessity. They could have signed him for 3.5 now with an increase to e.g. 4.5 the following next years? The fact that they didn't, kind of indicates that he will use his approaching UFA status for what it's worth?
No me gusta.

The cap hit is a total divided by number of years. If MZA made 3.5 next season and 4.5 the following, the cap hit would be 4 for both years.

 

[Cake or Death]

You can't be serious that nobody is overreacting here.

You'd think it becomes a sure thing Zuccarello walks for greener pastures and that Sather/Gorton have never had a bigger **** up, ever.

Why do people hate admitting there really is risk in signing Zucc long term? He faced largely soft competition this year, and is already 27. What happens if he faces tougher competition this year (like he very likely will), and he becomes a 40 point player? I'm not saying it will happen, I don't even think it will, but that's the risk factor. And, the obvious that he only had this one tremendous season. This isn't a 22 year old kid that just got into the NHL, this is a soon-to-be 27 year old who isn't likely to change the player he is. It's very likely he disappoints next year, just as likely as he will take the next step.

I even admitted I'd rather long term. But there's a cap crunch, and there's not a single doubt in my mind Brassard will squeeze every penny he can out of the Rangers. And he can, we're screwed without him and he knows it.

Since Zucc appears to be this big team first guy, who's to say he doesn't help out the Rangers even if he produces this same season? Isn't he on record saying in the NHL he only wants to play for the Rangers? He definitely just took a paycut, it's not nearly out of the realm of possibility that he does it again.

And I would NEVER call this past season a "supremely discounted rate". After it ended, it definitely is. But when he signed it ? No way. He had 8 points in 15 games. Could've probably made 2 mill max after that deal.

Again, I would've been thrilled if we signed him long term, but I'm far from shocked that we didn't. A lot of this overreaction, in my opinion, is stemming from a general complete distrust in the Rangers FO and not the actual situation.

I don't really have time to read every post, but life's very short and I'm rarely serious about anything. My point was not to debate if people were or were not over-reacting, it was to say even if they were, I grasp why.

I realize there's risk signing him long-term, because risk is in inherent in every action and decision we make or avoid. But you work with the data and circumstance before you and try to make the best calculated decision you can. And while I can agree with your assessment on the risk present here, I still fall on the guy's .65 career PPG, his professionalism and work ethic, his never-wavering commitment to the NYR, and his desire to improve and succeed, which is backed by a track record of consistent improvement. For me, that mitigates the potential risks of signing him long-term and to me at least it looks a lot riskier to not lock him up longer.

I rarely jump to rash conclusions, nor do I feel any disdain for the FO. I think things are more done by committee these days, and the results the past few seasons are somewhat hard to argue against. Nonetheless, this actual situation gives me a bad feeling and I simply have a concern, for reasons already stated, that it may well backfire. This could all amount to nothing, but the potential for this to bite the team in the ass is somewhat hard to ignore imo.