Proposal: Zuccarello for Trouba

[Whileee]

29 year old winger with 3 years on his contract... Ticks absolutely zero boxes on the Jets wish list.

 

[Hunter368]

No thx from Jets, fills no need and creates a huge hole on D

 

[One Winged Angel]

This, except I am a Jets fan.

Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Stafford

Tell me where Zucc fits in that top 6.

Stafford over Zuccarello in your top-6???

Laine will be great but he hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet either.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Definitely not from a Jets perspective.

Possibly a smaller deal like Dano for Skjei would work.

No, it wouldn't.

 

[sully1410]

Value is good one of the better ones I've seen...so you should be commended for that...but it doesn't fill a need today.

 

[Idlerlee]

This, except I am a Jets fan.

Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Stafford

Tell me where Zucc fits in that top 6.

Zucc is a big upgrade over Ehlers, Laine* and Stafford, so anywhere there would be good. (Zucc plays both wings).

The need isnt that great for Jets, so I understand that they say no, but it's a little silly to say he wouldnt slot in there. As far as value proposals go, this is pretty decent.


*Laine will probably be better but he isnt right now

 

[LeapOnOver]

29 year old winger with 3 years on his contract... Ticks absolutely zero boxes on the Jets wish list.

I'm not a fan of either team and can't stand the Rags, but can you honestly say this statement with a straight face? You have an influx of youth that needs guidance and your veteran player to teach them is Byfuglien? Really? You do see how fickle and bipolar he can be right?

I can see you saying no for many reasons, but for you to say it doesn't check the badly needed box of "veteran leadership" I believe you are sorely mistaken. Without Ladd there to settle the troops when Buff goes off the deep end you've got problems. Maybe Wheeler steps up, but still the more leadership like Zucc the better off your team is.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Zucc is a big upgrade over Ehlers, Laine* and Stafford, so anywhere there would be good. (Zucc plays both wings).

The need isnt that great for Jets, so I understand that they say no, but it's a little silly to say he wouldnt slot in there. As far as value proposals go, this is pretty decent.


*Laine will probably be better but he isnt right now

Laine is 18, and Ehlers is 19. Both have a very strong chance of being top end players in the league. Why would we trade our only top 4 D under 25 to get older on the wing? Do me a favour and look at our depth charts for wingers. It used to be that our depth was terrible for LW, with Ladd and Kane being our only good top 6 LW there. Now Ehlers and Connor fit those slots. Neither has proven much in the NHL yet, but their projected ceilings are pretty damn high. Let's look at the RW now. Used to be just Wheeler and whoever else they could find in UFA or via trades. Such notables have been Kyle Wellwood, Nik Antropov, and 3 glorious seasons of Michael Frolik. Now? Wheeler and Laine, with Stafford filling out the top 9. That is some pretty good depth. In fact, Jets fans are hoping that Stafford becomes unnecessary due to the maturation of notable Jets depth like Petan, Dano, and Armia, so Chevy trades him to free up 4.25m or so in cap space.

How the opening day rosters shake out is anyone's guess at this point, and it's quite likely that Laine starts on 3RW with either Perreault or Burmistrov as the center, or 2LW with Little if Connor has trouble adjusting to the NHL. Or, Perreault plays 3LW/3RW, as we have a ridiculous amount of bottom 6 center depth (Matthias, Burmistrov, Lowry, Copp, and Petan all play C). Even still, there is no reason to make a trade from a position of strength (RD) to another position of strength (Wing).

http://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-winnipeg-jets/

 

[Idlerlee]

Laine is 18, and Ehlers is 19. Both have a very strong chance of being top end players in the league. Why would we trade our only top 4 D under 25 to get older on the wing? Do me a favour and look at our depth charts for wingers. It used to be that our depth was terrible for LW, with Ladd and Kane being our only good top 6 LW there. Now Ehlers and Connor fit those slots. Neither has proven much in the NHL yet, but their projected ceilings are pretty damn high. Let's look at the RW now. Used to be just Wheeler and whoever else they could find in UFA or via trades. Such notables have been Kyle Wellwood, Nik Antropov, and 3 glorious seasons of Michael Frolik. Now? Wheeler and Laine, with Stafford filling out the top 9. That is some pretty good depth. In fact, Jets fans are hoping that Stafford becomes unnecessary due to the maturation of notable Jets depth like Petan, Dano, and Armia, so Chevy trades him to free up 4.25m or so in cap space.

How the opening day rosters shake out is anyone's guess at this point, and it's quite likely that Laine starts on 3RW with either Perreault or Burmistrov as the center, or 2LW with Little if Connor has trouble adjusting to the NHL. Or, Perreault plays 3LW/3RW, as we have a ridiculous amount of bottom 6 center depth (Matthias, Lowry, Copp, Petan all play C). Even still, there is no reason to make a trade from a position of strength (RD) to another position of strength (Wing).

http://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-winnipeg-jets/

I was actually agreeing with you that there isnt a fit there.

The value suggested is good, but the fit isnt there

 

[CorgisPer60]

I was actually agreeing with you that there isnt a fit there.

The value suggested is good, but the fit isnt there

I know. I just wanted to elaborate to you and the other guy who quoted my post why a Zucc for Trouba trade wouldn't work.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I disagree with the suggestion that the value in this proposal is as good as claimed by some in this thread. While some of you may think it to be near-equivalent, what team is looking to move a young RD stud in exchange for a winger they don't need and a downgrade at D? I'd suggest the answer to that would be none.

Teams rarely look to trade a talented player in exchange for multiple pieces - unless they are rebuilding. This proposal would have been attractive to the Jets three years ago, but in no way does it represent value to them today. Value for Winnipeg in a Trouba trade would be if someone offered them an upgrade, a player so good that it prompted Winnipeg to make a trade, and this proposal lacks that component piece.

Surely the Jets intent is to keep Trouba anyway, as it has already been stated by the GM.

 

[Flames101]

Buff is exactly the guy we want mentoring these young guys. He is all business and has natural leadership. Fickel and Bipolar??? Im very curious how you came to that rational?
It does not check even the smallest box for us, and Ladd was never a vocal captain. Wheeler, Little, Stafford, Perrault, Thorburm, Myers, Stuart,

I'm not a fan of either team and can't stand the Rags, but can you honestly say this statement with a straight face? You have an influx of youth that needs guidance and your veteran player to teach them is Byfuglien? Really? You do see how fickle and bipolar he can be right?

I can see you saying no for many reasons, but for you to say it doesn't check the badly needed box of "veteran leadership" I believe you are sorely mistaken. Without Ladd there to settle the troops when Buff goes off the deep end you've got problems. Maybe Wheeler steps up, but still the more leadership like Zucc the better off your team is.

 

[Idlerlee]

I disagree with the suggestion that the value in this proposal is as good as claimed by some in this thread. While some of you may think it to be near-equivalent, what team is looking to move a young RD stud in exchange for a winger they don't need and a downgrade at D? I'd suggest the answer to that would be none.

Teams rarely look to trade a talented player in exchange for multiple pieces - unless they are rebuilding. This proposal would have been attractive to the Jets three years ago, but in no way does it represent value to them today. Value for Winnipeg in a Trouba trade would be if someone offered them an upgrade, a player so good that it prompted Winnipeg to make a trade, and this proposal lacks that component piece.

Surely the Jets intent is to keep Trouba anyway, as it has already been stated by the GM.

That is kinda what we are saying

The value in a vacum is there. Zucc is a talented 1stline winger with lite vision and passing, Trouba is a big talent. They are both valuable in their own right.

Its just not a good fit for one trade partner

 

[Jeti]

I'm amazed people are even suggesting the value is close. Needs aside, the value is a joke. 29 year old mediocre top-6 winger for a young top-pairing defenseman? I wouldn't trade Trouba for 2 Zuccarellos, even if the Jets didn't have Laine and Connor in the LW pipeline

 

[BB88]

That is kinda what we are saying

The value in a vacum is there. Zucc is a talented 1stline winger with lite vision and passing, Trouba is a big talent. They are both valuable in their own right.

Its just not a good fit for one trade partner

I don't think you trade a 22y top pairing RD for a non elite winger who's a lot older.

 

[Dijock94]

I wonder if the jets would do Skjei and Klein for Trouba. Or what the Rangers would have to add to that. Jets need LHD right?

 

[Whileee]

I'm not a fan of either team and can't stand the Rags, but can you honestly say this statement with a straight face? You have an influx of youth that needs guidance and your veteran player to teach them is Byfuglien? Really? You do see how fickle and bipolar he can be right?

I can see you saying no for many reasons, but for you to say it doesn't check the badly needed box of "veteran leadership" I believe you are sorely mistaken. Without Ladd there to settle the troops when Buff goes off the deep end you've got problems. Maybe Wheeler steps up, but still the more leadership like Zucc the better off your team is.

You don't seem to know the Jets roster and leadership. Wheeler, Scheifele, Little and Perreault all provide ample leadership. Buff doesn't even wear a letter, though he has an important leadership role. Trading a top end young RHD to get some leadership for a team that doesn't lack leadership would be crazy.

 

[Idlerlee]

I'm amazed people are even suggesting the value is close. Needs aside, the value is a joke. 29 year old mediocre top-6 winger for a young top-pairing defenseman? I wouldn't trade Trouba for 2 Zuccarellos, even if the Jets didn't have Laine and Connor in the LW pipeline

60 point wingers are mediocre now?

Standards in the NHL are rough these days

 

[Trapper]

If the Jets do look to trade Trouba, this deal is a misuse of the asset.
Nothing against Zucc, however the return would need to equal the most pressing need and also take into account the age factor.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

When you make proposal's you need to know what the other teams need's are. Jets don't need Wingers they need LHD that's it so unless you've a LHD that might entice Chevy Trouba wont be going any where.

 

[Maukkis]

I wonder if the jets would do Skjei and Klein for Trouba. Or what the Rangers would have to add to that. Jets need LHD right?

We would not.

You can't replace what Trouba brings to the team by trading him. Therefore, it's only logical to not trade him.

 

[Hunter368]

If the Jets do look to trade Trouba, this deal is a misuse of the asset.
Nothing against Zucc, however the return would need to equal the most pressing need and also take into account the age factor.

When you make proposal's you need to know what the other teams need's are. Jets don't need Wingers they need LHD that's it so unless you've a LHD that might entice Chevy Trouba wont be going any where.

Both posts are exactly right. Z is a good winger just the Jets have no need for him. Easy pass from Jets, complete non starter to be honest

 

[johna2626]

The Jets are closer to the bottom of the central than they are the top. They can't be trading youth for players in their prime. This trade makes no sense on many levels. Try offering McD...

 

[howkie]

If Jets would trade Trouba for a center, I guess a good top-6 center with upside is what needs to come back. In that case Little can move to wing and we got our top-6 center sorted for years and we don´t need to wish that Jack R becomes 1.

 

[johna2626]

60 point wingers are mediocre now?

Standards in the NHL are rough these days

60 points means he was a top 45 scoring forward. Clearly a bum