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Zuccarello Appreciation Thread Part 2

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Wolfy said:
Maybe you should add Denmark as well, they have 6-7 NHL'ers, Norway only has Zucc :D
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Only? We got Ødegaard in the CHL and he might get a Call up to the Chicago Wolves and if he Plays well he might end up in ST Louis and then get traded to Edmonton Oilers and since they got a crappy defense he will be like their franchise player or something....and and and :nod:
 
Placid said:
Not really. It depends a bit on which sport it is, as different countries have different traditions. Norway, Sweden and Finland for example, in cross country. Countries like Austria and Switzerland for alpine events, most of central Europe for ski jump, and so on.


And both for the exact same reason. We have what, just over 20 indoor ice rinks in the entire country ?
Ice skating (be it figure skating, hockey or what have you) has really never been a priority here, which is a shame (exception being speed skating).
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We have 44. Denmark has 25. (according to IIHF). Denmark has 7 NHL players, while we just one little guy.
It's not just in the # of rinks, but how you use them. We also have 5 % of the country covered by water, with large parts frozen in the winter, but only occationaly does someone bother to play shinny on them (Zuke probably an exeption). Much easier to complain about the number of rinks. It's just not part of the culture, and the federation are failing at making it so. I bet most of the NHLers first skating was outdoor on a pond. In Norway it seems that everybody needs to attend hockeyschool for kids in order to learn it. Too organized IMO, and not the way to make it a bigger sport. The hockey federation, idrettsforbundet (athletes federation), just like the soccer federation, doesn't like people to play for fun it seems, and then you get all focus on making eliteplayers while failing to do what they should: enhance public health (and while you're at it make people enjoy moving their legs for fun, widening the recruitment and make it a part of the Norwegian wintersports wonder.) Some of the controversy with Zuke and his betting agreement was just about this. He claimed he learned his skills from the pond and the parking lot and didn't really Owe the Norwegain state owned betting company anything. The Norwegian hockeyfederation With their narrow minds were, understandably, shaking in their pants as they pay the largest part of all New rinks, but at the same time failing to get the point: Our only NHLer didn't learn his amazing stickhandling skills at any state financed rink but at a frozen parking lot. Sure later he developed in these rinks, but he started out where all kids should start out: With pond hockey. I actually tried to suggest it through the Kitchen door, that they should really really make an effort to make the best of the thousand possibilites there are, but never heard back and I lost my energy. The potential is endless in Norway, right in front of Our eyes, but we fail to grasp it. Screw the rinks.
 
Placid said:
Ice skating (be it figure skating, hockey or what have you) has really never been a priority here, which is a shame (exception being speed skating).
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*Cough*Sonia Henie*cough*

Ilovemymum said:
We have 44. Denmark has 25. (according to IIHF). Denmark has 7 NHL players, while we just one little guy.
It's not just in the # of rinks, but how you use them. We also have 5 % of the country covered by water, with large parts frozen in the winter, but only occationaly does someone bother to play shinny on them (Zuke probably an exeption). Much easier to complain about the number of rinks. It's just not part of the culture, and the federation are failing at making it so. I bet most of the NHLers first skating was outdoor on a pond. In Norway it seems that everybody needs to attend hockeyschool for kids in order to learn it. Too organized IMO, and not the way to make it a bigger sport. The hockey federation, idrettsforbundet (athletes federation), just like the soccer federation, doesn't like people to play for fun it seems, and then you get all focus on making eliteplayers while failing to do what they should: enhance public health (and while you're at it make people enjoy moving their legs for fun, widening the recruitment and make it a part of the Norwegian wintersports wonder.) Some of the controversy with Zuke and his betting agreement was just about this. He claimed he learned his skills from the pond and the parking lot and didn't really Owe the Norwegain state owned betting company anything. The Norwegian hockeyfederation With their narrow minds were, understandably, shaking in their pants as they pay the largest part of all New rinks, but at the same time failing to get the point: Our only NHLer didn't learn his amazing stickhandling skills at any state financed rink but at a frozen parking lot. Sure later he developed in these rinks, but he started out where all kids should start out: With pond hockey. I actually tried to suggest it through the Kitchen door, that they should really really make an effort to make the best of the thousand possibilites there are, but never heard back and I lost my energy. The potential is endless in Norway, right in front of Our eyes, but we fail to grasp it. Screw the rinks.
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Firstly, they have 25 rinks, but because their country is tiny tiny tiny, and heavily populated, more people have access to rinks. Due to Norway being pretty huge in comparison, most of Norwegian poplulation does not have access to a rink within half an hour drive.

As for Norways geography, most of the people live close to the coast, and the water doesn't freeze that good here, and we almost never have stable weather long enough to consistently organize any type of sport. Therefore, building rinks have never been in high demand, because the grass root organizations aren't there.

The problem are tightly connected to the lack of rual rinks, something that inhibits the sport of getting traction nationally (when only 2/10 knows the rules), which again leads to a lack of media, which again leads to lower revenue from sponsors/spectators etc, which again leads to a worse product, that leads to lower recruiting, something that in turn leads to worse match ups for the talent that DO find their way into ice hockey.


tldr; yhea, If Zuccarello had lived 6 hours further north, he wouldn't be a hockey player.
 
anofsti said:
*Cough*Sonia Henie*cough*



Firstly, they have 25 rinks, but because their country is tiny tiny tiny, and heavily populated, more people have access to rinks. Due to Norway being pretty huge in comparison, most of Norwegian poplulation does not have access to a rink within half an hour drive.

As for Norways geography, most of the people live close to the coast, and the water doesn't freeze that good here, and we almost never have stable weather long enough to consistently organize any type of sport. Therefore, building rinks have never been in high demand, because the grass root organizations aren't there.

The problem are tightly connected to the lack of rual rinks, something that inhibits the sport of getting traction nationally (when only 2/10 knows the rules), which again leads to a lack of media, which again leads to lower revenue from sponsors/spectators etc, which again leads to a worse product, that leads to lower recruiting, something that in turn leads to worse match ups for the talent that DO find their way into ice hockey.


tldr; yhea, If Zuccarello had lived 6 hours further north, he wouldn't be a hockey player.
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This debate probably belongs in another forum, but my point is that the Norwegian hockey federation / community consistently finds themselves in an eternally downward spiral (as described above), while IMO there are other possibilities outside the box. It's not just hockey. Ask any parent how much time a week they spend driving their kids to organized practises, normally soccer, compared to what they did when they were kids. I grew up on the south coast and we played pond hockey every year untill organized hockey took all week.
 
Yeah I guess it's OT, I obviously got my post in this debate deleted...no further comments.
 
2 mediocre games for sure. Keep your stick right, Zucc. If he would have scored on that early chance, the game might have been totally different.
 
They seriously need to break up that line. Pouliot, Brass and Zuke was the line that produced nothing in the start of the season, and now it's back. Zuccarello's positive effect on linemates seem to have an adverse effect on these two combined.
 
Ilovemymum said:
They seriously need to break up that line. Pouliot, Brass and Zuke was the line that produced nothing in the start of the season, and now it's back. Zuccarello's positive effect on linemates seem to have an adverse effect on these two combined.
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Agree. I want the Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello line back. Move Nash with Richards and Hagelin.

Kreder-Stepan-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Richards-Nash
Pouliout-Brassard-Callahan
Boyle-Moore-Miller
 
Idlerlee said:
We'll have to literally have no men on the ice for AV to consider not playing Callahan in the top6, doubt we'll see that line again this season
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Cally very much look like a (very good though) third liner to me these days.
 
Indeed. Funny that penalyshot yesterday. Both Zuke and the goalie freezes up, and only thing moving is the puck in a straight line to the frozen glove of the goalie. Like cheap animation or those early banner ads on internet when you have a couple moving layers and everything else is still. Time for a new trick.
 
Less production is normal when you are down on the 3rd line, still has close to 20 mins but much of it is pp time. I've no idea why he's out of the top six.
 
He had a lot less offensive zone time outside the PP where he only got about 40 seconds due to Nash line being first PP line.

One of the issues I have with the Poo - Brass - Zucc line is that Brassard sucks at faceoffs. I don't know the stats, but seems like every offensive puck drop turned into that line playing defense. And when they did go up, you have 2 1/2 players who love to pass. Zucc needs to be on a line with two finishers. When he was on with Stepan and Kreider, we won what... 7/10 games? That's when Kreider really took off. He just doesn't fit with Brassard. He fits with Stepan or Richards center.

Also, AV. Stop playing him mid-center on the PP. He should be on the wing or on the point, not standing there looking at Richards losing the puck on the blue line.
 
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