Confirmed with Link: Zibanejad, 2nd to NYR for Brassard, 7th

[Holdurbreathe]

The most vocal unhappy guys are our resident boo birds. The type you can literally pick out of a thread without looking at their names. I think most of us are pretty ambivalent about it and I know personally, I'm coming around to seeing the real positives after the initial 'wtf' reaction..

At the risk of being called a "boo bird" there is very little to be liked about this trade when looking at the big picture IMO.

First, the team needs to sign Ceci and Hoffman and the reason many believe those deals have not been made is money, yet this trade adds $2.M to the budget.

Second, Brassard played on a clearly better team in NY, produced 58 PTS, his career best. While Zibanejad, at 23, produced 51 points on a team that clearly wasn't very coached.

So unless your crystal ball tells you MZ has peaked, this deal clearly favors the Rangers IMO.

Most importantly giving up on young players may make sense when adding a veteran piece may push them into the contenders category, IMO this deal does not do.

The Senators have simply too many missing pieces and/or questions marks to even be a guaranteed playoff team IMO.

 

[2XPRO31]

No matter what move this team makes there will always be someone whining about money and the budget. I think we got the better player in this deal. We have Brown and White who aren't that far away from the NHL. We also need money to sign Hoffman, Ceci, Pageau, eventually Karlsson all of who I think management value more than Zibanejad.

 

[topshelf15]

This trade doesn't save us money.

In 2016/17 Brassard and Zibanejad have almost identical salaries. Zibanejad is an RFA next season, but if we re-signed him to a Kadri-type contract - around 4M for 4+ years, with the contract back-loaded, the salaries would probably be about the same for the next 3 seasons (until Brassard is a UFA). Unless we don't plan on re-signing Brassard in 3 years time, this deal doesn't save us any significant amount of money, now or in the future.

Sure it does ,in three years .In which case we will likely be saying goodbye to Brassard ,and hello to one of Brown or White,while having 5 mil to add to the pot when we really need to have capspace

 

[jason2020]

We're ****ed until we get a new arena anyways, and we're probably ****ed afterwards as well while Melnyk pockets the profits under the guise of wanting to win. Hard to care anymore.

I don't get fans like you one hand you beg the team to get a player who can help Ryan which Brassard does they get him and some how its still not good enough.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I was a big Zibanejad fan but it's clear that he was surpassed in the organization's eyes by Turris and Pageau. And if that's the case then clearly upgrading a third line center to a second line center who can also play on the first line in case of injury is clearly a no-brainer. Not to mention you have young bucks like White and Brown coming through the system who the team are CLEARLY very high on. Brassard in a couple of years could be a really solid trading chip to move if we need to make room for one or both of our bluechip center prospects.

 

[Big Papi]

Who say Karlsson cares about Zibby ? Maybe Karlsson was one whispering to Dorion "get rid of that DJ as quick as possible"

this town is only big enough for one boyband looking, long haired swede

 

[Sens]

The Sens prospect pool is so depleated beyond the top three... And now they don't have 2nds the next two drafts

 

[2XPRO31]

At the risk of being called a "boo bird" there is very little to be liked about this trade when looking at the big picture IMO.

First, the team needs to sign Ceci and Hoffman and the reason many believe those deals have not been made is money, yet this trade adds $2.M to the budget.

Second, Brassard played on a clearly better team in NY, produced 58 PTS, his career best. While Zibanejad, at 23, produced 51 points on a team that clearly wasn't very coached.

So unless your crystal ball tells you MZ has peaked, this deal clearly favors the Rangers IMO.

Most importantly giving up on young players may make sense when adding a veteran piece may push them into the contenders category, IMO this deal does not do.

The Senators have simply too many missing pieces and/or questions marks to even be a guaranteed playoff team IMO.

Our team Excelled offensively last year. Better team in the standing does not mean better production from players.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

At the risk of being called a "boo bird" there is very little to be liked about this trade when looking at the big picture IMO.

First, the team needs to sign Ceci and Hoffman and the reason many believe those deals have not been made is money, yet this trade adds $2.M to the budget.

Second, Brassard played on a clearly better team in NY, produced 58 PTS, his career best. While Zibanejad, at 23, produced 51 points on a team that clearly wasn't very coached.

So unless your crystal ball tells you MZ has peaked, this deal clearly favors the Rangers IMO.

Most importantly giving up on young players may make sense when adding a veteran piece may push them into the contenders category, IMO this deal does not do.

The Senators have simply too many missing pieces and/or questions marks to even be a guaranteed playoff team IMO.

Lets make a friendly bet! I can flip it and say Zib played on an unstructured run and gun Sens team while Brassard scored on a much more defensive structured and disciplined team. Brassard will outscore Zibby this year is my prediction.

 

[topshelf15]

I don't get fans like you one hand you beg the team to get a player who can help Ryan which Brassard does they get him and some how its still not good enough.

Urchina has been the most illogical ,we added a left handed version of Turris ,and controlled cost by making sure we have extra money on hand to sign already identfied core pieces later

 

[jason2020]

The Sens prospect pool is so depleated beyond the top three... And now they don't have 2nds the next two drafts

The prospect pool is more then 3 players.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Pretty ****** move to announce a player is staying in Ottawa for the off season to train, then turn around and trade that player in the same offseason.

Whatever. Pro athletes shouldn't need to be coddled. It's a business they get paid millions to perform in no matter where they are shipped to. Zib will get over it when he hits NYC.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Im still on the fence. Haven't made up my mind on this move yet. Need to let it stew a little longer before I decide.

 

[Langdon Alger]

I love this trade. Huge Brassard fan.

 

[BondraTime]

At the risk of being called a "boo bird" there is very little to be liked about this trade when looking at the big picture IMO.

First, the team needs to sign Ceci and Hoffman and the reason many believe those deals have not been made is money, yet this trade adds $2.M to the budget.

Second, Brassard played on a clearly better team in NY, produced 58 PTS, his career best. While Zibanejad, at 23, produced 51 points on a team that clearly wasn't very coached.

So unless your crystal ball tells you MZ has peaked, this deal clearly favors the Rangers IMO.

Most importantly giving up on young players may make sense when adding a veteran piece may push them into the contenders category, IMO this deal does not do.

The Senators have simply too many missing pieces and/or questions marks to even be a guaranteed playoff team IMO.

First, we added no money to the budget, Brassard is paid 3.5 million in salary for the next 3 years. Unless Zib has a smaller contract beginning next season (he won't) we are paying Brassard less over the 3 year span.

Second, Brassard's career best is 60 points in the 2014-15 season. (76 points in 99 games including playoffs).

 

[topshelf15]

The Sens prospect pool is so depleated beyond the top three... And now they don't have 2nds the next two drafts

Yeah so what ,we already dont have room for guys like Macormick Dzingle Puemple and Paul already ,now add in the next wave of guys like the top 3 Englund,Perron,Gagne etc.We dont need to keep drafting prospect for the sake of drafting prospects .We need top end guys which you get in the 1st round which we didnt trade

 

[Super Cake]

Like i said before, i will take a wait and see approach.

Zibby did piss me off with his inconsistency. Always starting off slow and then picking it up in the 2nd half of the season when the Sens are already on the outside looking in.

I do feel like he will break out this season, but who knows.

 

[Sens]

The prospect pool is more then 3 players.

Nick Paul is our 4th best prospect and we pretty much hope he becomes Gaustad (who he himself had a 50 point AHL rookie season not Pauls 17 points)

 

[Holdurbreathe]

No matter what move this team makes there will always be someone whining about money and the budget. I think we got the better player in this deal. We have Brown and White who aren't that far away from the NHL. We also need money to sign Hoffman, Ceci, Pageau, eventually Karlsson all of who I think management value more than Zibanejad.

No doubt Brassard may be the better player today, but then he has had 5 more years of development. However I don't believe the difference is really worth the $2.4M the Sens added to the payroll.

Therefore if the team needs money for Ceci & Hoffman, then why this trade again?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

And?

That doesn't say anything about how he feels about Brassard fitting in our roster and how much of a better fit he might be.

Brassard is a great player and diversifies us down the middle, we weren't going to get him without giving up someone good.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Nick Paul is our 4th best prospect and we pretty much hope he becomes Gaustad (who he himself had a 50 point AHL rookie season not Pauls 17 points)

Francis Perron says hi.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

No doubt Brassard may be the better player today, but then he has had 5 more years of development. However I don't believe the difference is really worth the $2.4M the Sens added to the payroll.

Therefore if the team needs money for Ceci & Hoffman, then why this trade again?

Brassard's bonus has already been paid out, it's revenue neutral but clears up money that had been allocated to Zib's raise next year.

 

[topshelf15]

No doubt Brassard may be the better player today, but then he has had 5 more years of development. However I don't believe the difference is really worth the $2.4M the Sens added to the payroll.

Therefore if the team needs money for Ceci & Hoffman, then why this trade again?

Who said we needed money to resign these two??

 

[GWNR]

Nick Paul is our 4th best prospect and we pretty much hope he becomes Gaustad (who he himself had a 50 point AHL rookie season not Pauls 17 points)

You hope he becomes Gaustad.

Others who actually watch him play and don't just talk about stats know his ceiling is much higher than that.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Whatever. Pro athletes shouldn't need to be coddled. It's a business they get paid millions to perform in no matter where they are shipped to. Zib will get over it when he hits NYC.

I think I am under the impression I saw an interview where it was management who said he was training and not Mika himself. I think I might be wrong and thus my original post is irrelevant.

I truly think Brassard is a much better fit for us. But I just feel like Zibanejad had much more value, especially when trading with a team in the cap trouble the Rangers are in.