Confirmed with Link: Zetterlund, Robins, 4th to Ottawa for 2025 2nd, Zack Ostapchuk, Noah Gregor

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Zetterlund isn't a future piece, he's a today piece, which is why a team in the wild card hunt acquired him.
So 25 is too old for this team now?

You can't build a team of U24 players and expect to do anything. And again, if they'd gotten a real return for Zetterlund, then fine. But trading everyone over 24 years old for marginal pieces is plain stupid.

Not aggressive but very active is the quote. He doesn’t want to give out 7 year deals but he’s looking for trades, etc. So, we’ll see.

I still don’t like this trade at all unless the scouts have spotted something with Zack no one else has seen and he’s truly a future 3C.
If he doesn't want to give out seven year deals, then we can cross Ekblad, Gavrikov, and any other actually good UFA defenseman off the list.
 
So 25 is too old for this team now?

You can't build a team of U24 players and expect to do anything. And again, if they'd gotten a real return for Zetterlund, then fine. But trading everyone over 24 years old for marginal pieces is plain stupid.


If he doesn't want to give out seven year deals, then we can cross Ekblad, Gavrikov, and any other actually good UFA defenseman off the list.
Of course you can't build a team of exclusively U24 players and expect to win but that's not an immediate concern because we're not trying to win this year or next. Besides, we have plenty of vets between Toffoli, Wennberg, Ferraro, Goodrow, Dellandrea, etc. When the time comes we'll have more than enough surplus assets to pull off the inverse of this trade.
 
Also I wouldn't take the Ostapchuk stuff at face value. No doubt they like the kid but the counteroffer quote from Claude Lemieux is a more believable explanation for why this trade happened. Grier is not the type to throw an agent/player under the bus by publicly declaring they asked for too much money.
 
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Of course you can't build a team of exclusively U24 players and expect to win but that's not an immediate concern because we're not trying to win this year or next. Besides, we have plenty of vets between Toffoli, Wennberg, Ferraro, Goodrow, Dellandrea, etc. When the time comes we'll have more than enough surplus assets to pull off the inverse of this trade.
Grier doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until he proves he can actually make a trade for a good player. Askarov is the closest he's gotten and he was unproven and still is.

If Grier flips assets for good players this summer at good value, I will of course recant this assessment. But assuming he's just going to be able to pull off that kind of trade with no evidence is insane.
 
@Lebanezer Right, I'm saying don't take this at face value. It would be unprofessional and just strategically unwise to blame the trade on contract negotiations going south. That's not to say they would have moved Zetterlund if he hadn't returned a prospect they value as highly as Ostapchuk.
 
@Lebanezer Right, I'm saying don't take this at face value. It would be unprofessional and just strategically unwise to blame the trade on contract negotiations going south. That's not to say they would have moved Zetterlund if he hadn't returned a prospect they value as highly as Ostapchuk.
That's fair, but ultimately we can't make assumptions either way, unless someone outright reports that it was because of the contract negotiations.
 
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didn't Gregor h8 being on the Sharks last time or am i misremembering

feel like it doesn't make sense to take back a guy who was desperately trying to get as far away from the org as possible
 
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Honestly it s the only thing that makes sense to me — that Grier and his staff see him as a future top end 3C and wanted him here.
I'm going to want to see a noticeable difference between him and the other non-Wennberg bottom 6 bums we've been putting out there.
 
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"Sometimes you also need guys like Fabian Zetterlund. Not ACTUAL Fabian Zetterlund, but guys like him. "
Zetterlund is physical but he's ultimately a skill guy who can't defend or kill penalties. If Ostapchuk hits he's more in the mold of what winning teams deploy on their third line. Someone mentioned Nick Paul, Luostarinen is another great example of this type of player who also put up similar AHL numbers to Ostapchuk at the same age but was a super useful piece for Florida the past two postseasons.
 
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I'm not going to try to defend this trade because I don't like it, but I'm trying to get in Grier's head to understand what he might be thinking--and thanks to the Sens fans who have offered input on Ostapchuk which aids in this process.

So I think when we look at the future of this team, we mostly agree that Zetterlund ideally would've been a 3rd liner in a few years. Even if the contract for him as a 3rd liner wouldn't be something we could overcome if it's like four or five years, I guess the question Grier may have asked is if Zetterlund would've been the kind of guy he wants on that 3rd line in a few years--whereas he might be betting that Ostapchuk will be more to his liking.

The issues with Zetterlund in that role are that he isn't really a play-driver, so playing with less-talented linemates his offense might fall off a decent amount (let's say more to 15+15). At the same time, I don't think he's a particularly good defensive forward. I'm not looking at the numbers on this now, but it's more just from watching games and often being surprised that he's the guy that's out of position, or that he's often involved in desperate puck-chasing situations.

The fact that he's never on the PK maybe validates this a bit (because his tools seemingly should put him in that role) and also lowers his value to Grier as a future 3rd liner, whereas what we've heard about Ostapchuk says that he should have all those attributes (plus added physicality); it's just a question of whether or not he can elevate his offense more toward that 30 point level down the line.

The second round pick is good insurance in taking that gamble. Because it is a gamble. I'm sure Grier knows that. But I suppose he sees the team at this point as still being at a stage where he can take such a gamble. (That does ignore the human side of things, though, and that's a gamble of a different sort--although one that doesn't always end up mattering.)
Zetterlund would have been a good fit on a third scoring line. On a checking line, he would have been a waste.

One big problem with the team is that we run two lines that don't affect the game in any meaningful way. If Ostapchuk actually plays effective physical defense, that's something that would actually help the team. Still don't think it was worth Zetterlund, but since I get no vote, I'll just hope it works out.
 

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