Value of: Zegras for Wright

WhiskeyYerTheDevils

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Wright probably wont be a 100 point player, but this is like saying that Zegras could only hit 40 points against USHL competition.

Here is the list of centers to score >100 points in the NHL in the last 25 years that also played major junior, along with their CHL point totals in their draft year:

Lemieux (282)
Sakic (133)
McDavid (120)
Crosby (168)
Thornton (122)
Lecavalier (115)
Stamkos (105)
Draisaitl (105)

Meanwhile, Zegras just posted 61 points in 75 games as a rookie centeer on a pretty bad team...
 
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Counter-offer: Caufield for Comtois & 10OA
Imagine if a week after the Habs lost the Stanley Cup Finals in 2021 the Ducks traded Comtois for Montreal's 1st round pick in 2022 while not being aware the Habs would become the worst team in the league and thought they'd return to the playoffs after making the finals.
 
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Here is the list of centers to score >100 points in the NHL in the last 25 years that also played major junior, along with their CHL point totals in their draft year:

Lemieux (282)
Sakic (133)
McDavid (120)
Crosby (168)
Thornton (122)
Lecavalier (115)
Stamkos (105)

Meanwhile, Zegras just posted 61 points in 75 games as a rookie centeer on a pretty bad team...

I'm not arguing Wright will be a 100 point center. Nor am I arguing that Zegras doesn't have incredibly high potential. I'm saying a statement like " He couldn't even score 100 in the OHL..." means very little in the grand scheme of things.

Imagine if a week after the Habs lost the Stanley Cup Finals in 2021 the Ducks traded Comtois for Montreal's 1st round pick in 2022 while not being aware the Habs would become the worst team in the league and thought they'd return to the playoffs after making the finals.

I too like to imagine ridiculous trade ideas that would never ever happen.
 

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I dont know wether Wright=Zegres. On the surface wright is worth more


this thread is the infamous HF fav of my player played well with X, I think I need X.
 

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I'm not arguing Wright will be a 100 point center. Nor am I arguing that Zegras doesn't have incredibly high potential. I'm saying a statement like " He couldn't even score 100 in the OHL..." means very little in the grand scheme of things.

History would suggest that it's actually highly indicative of whether or not he'll be able to score >100 points in the NHL...

I dont know wether Wright=Zegres. On the surface wright is worth more


this thread is the infamous HF fav of my player played well with X, I think I need X.
How? Zegras is already a 1st line NHL center. There's a good chance that Wright never reaches the level we saw from Zegras's rookie season...
 

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How? Zegras is already a 1st line NHL center. There's a good chance that Wright never reaches the level we saw from Zegras's rookie season...
Zegras last season is indicative of a good 2C. He could get there next season or he could hit the infamous sophmore slump as teams know how to play against him better. One of the more entertaining players in the league but it's premature to call him a current 1C.
 

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Zegras last season is indicative of a good 2C. He could get there next season or he could hit the infamous sophmore slump as teams know how to play against him better. One of the more entertaining players in the league but it's premature to call him a current 1C.
He finished 17th among centers in 5v5 points, and had 60 points in his last 69 games last year as a rookie playing on a weak offensive team. His most common linemate has been back and forth between the NHL and the AHL and had a career high 22 points before this year.

He's absolutely a 1st line caliber center right now.
 

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I would say the fact that no center from the CHL has scored >100 points in the NHL without doing so in their CHL draft year tells me it's worth mentioning.

Really? Because most people would view that sample as being so arbitrary that it doesn't really have a lot of value beyond "players that score a lot when younger can score a lot when older" which is pretty self evident.
 
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He finished 17th among centers in 5v5 points, and had 60 points in his last 69 games last year as a rookie playing on a weak offensive team. His most common linemate has been back and forth between the NHL and the AHL and had a career high 22 points before this year.

He's absolutely a 1st line caliber center right now.
This seems like selective stat picking. He finished tied #54-56 in ppg for center. Maybe ~5-7 slots higher since some players listed here don't regularly play center. He also finished 2nd on the team for icetime with ATOI only 20 seconds less than Terry, so the linemate argument doesn't pass.

Ideally, you don't want your 1C to have 61 points in 75 games. Of course he isn't a finished product, though.

 

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Really? Because most people would view that sample as being so arbitrary that it doesn't really have a lot of value beyond "players that score a lot when younger can score a lot when older" which is pretty self evident.
Yeah, that's one way to put it. Certainly the 100 point threshold is probably a bit aribitrary. But that was more or less my point - it's hard to score 100 points in the NHL. Only a few centers have been able to do it consistently over the past few decades, and all of them were much more dominant in their draft years than Wright.
 

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Brutal for the Ducks. There’s no logical argument to be made that this is even remotely close. Zegras is likely one of the most untouchable pieces in the league. He’s already developed, he’s already had a spectacular rookie season, and his upside and skill level is through the roof - not to mention from a marketing standpoint he’s quickly becoming one of the highlight players for the league.
This exactly. Thank you for saving me a couple key strokes.
 

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This seems like selective stat picking. He finished tied #54-56 in ppg for center. Maybe ~5-7 slots higher since some players listed here don't regularly play center. He also finished 2nd on the team for icetime with ATOI only 20 seconds less than Terry, so the linemate argument doesn't pass.

Ideally, you don't want your 1C to have 61 points in 75 games. Of course he isn't a finished product, though.

You might want to filter out guys who only played a handful of games . . . Including them, I count 21 players that you need to remove

  1. Kaprizov
  2. Rantanen
  3. Fiala
  4. Guentzel
  5. Forsberg
  6. Marchand
  7. Reinhart
  8. Marchment
  9. Kyrou
  10. Drury
  11. Poturalski
  12. Marody
  13. Cramarossa
  14. Batherson
  15. Debrincat
  16. Keller
  17. Wheeler
  18. Beniers
  19. Terry
  20. Giroux
  21. Teravainen

Also - how does his ATOI have anything to do with who his linemates were???
 
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You might want to filter out guys who only played a handful of games . . .

Also - how does his ATOI have anything to do with who his linemates were???
Maybe ~5-7 slots higher since some players listed here don't regularly play center
Change the number to even 10 or 15 or 20 if you like.

ATOI means he's had plenty of opportunity with many people, the linemates argument holds less weight opposed to someone who's played say 14 minutes a game.
 

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Zegras is an exceptional young player. This would be the perfect trade for Anaheim to get their king's ransom in futures and Kickstart the rebuild.
 

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Zegras is an exceptional young player. This would be the perfect trade for Anaheim to get their king's ransom in futures and Kickstart the rebuild.

Are you saying trade Zegras for picks/prospects? Unless a better young player is coming back, they won't do it. Anaheim has plenty of depth in the system, they are lacking star players... and Zegras is the only one that has a chance of doing that. Ducks need to go for a few home run picks in the next couple drafts and hit on a couple of them, only thing they are missing are top line/top pair guys and maybe some d-men to compliment the smaller guys that are coming up.
 

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Zegras is an exceptional young player. This would be the perfect trade for Anaheim to get their king's ransom in futures and Kickstart the rebuild.
You realize Zegras just turned 21 right? Why would the Ducks trade him? He is part of the rebuild lol. He was the first pick the Ducks made after missing the playoffs the first time.
 
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Zegras looks like a legit #1 center, and his marketability is a dream for a team like the Ducks. He could easily be the face of the NHL due to his personality/flash.

That was my first thought (after 'no'). If he keeps scoring goals that make it to every sports show/late night news looking to fill 30 seconds/etc, he's going to sell a LOT of Ducks gear over the years. If he keeps doing highlight reel stuff 'and' the NHL is smart (yeah, well...) they'd make him the new face & promote the hell out of his natural goofiness in front of the camera off ice. Sid & McJesus may be (& are) phenomenal players, but combined they have the personality of a warped 2x4 in the back of the lumberyard.

He seems to have the ability to make everything around him fun (except for the other team). That's a player you want to keep around regardless of skill level (to a point obviously). Throw in his skill level & you have one of the few 'absolutely untouchable' players in the league

(edit: Eye kan speel, reely...sigh)
 
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Change the number to even 10 or 15 or 20 if you like.

ATOI means he's had plenty of opportunity with many people, the linemates argument holds less weight opposed to someone who's played say 14 minutes a game.
It's 21 per my updated post above. So that puts him 33rd despite <18 mins a game. Still ahead of guys like Barzal, O'Reilly, Suzuki, and Hertl.

And yeah, he had opportunities to play with tons of other players, like Nick Deslauriers and Derek Grant...
 
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It's 21 per my updated post above. So that puts him 33rd despite <18 mins a game. Still ahead of guys like Barzal, O'Reilly, Suzuki, and Hertl.

And yeah, he had opportunities to play with tons of other players, like Nick Deslauriers and Derek Grant...
can't forget about Buddy Robinson!

Zegras is an exceptional young player. This would be the perfect trade for Anaheim to get their king's ransom in futures and Kickstart the rebuild.
then when Wight does well in his first year, we can trade him for an even bigger haul and really kickstart the rebuild!!
 

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You think Wright is going to be a 100 point player?

He couldn't even score 100 in the OHL...
Because he didn’t score 100 this year doesnt mean he won’t in the nhl.

Point is that Wright has higher potential. Anaheim would definitely have to closely evaluate write to decline that offer
 
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