Player Discussion Zdeno Chara

[GordonHowe]

picture in this article shows him getting twisted awkwardly:

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Zdeno Chara leaves game with upper-body injury

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...body-injury/bfrkjhcDaKTQDbhgTMUFmM/story.html


Bruins captain Zdeno Chara, playing in his first preseason game of the season on Thursday night, lasted only 1:57 against the Rangers. He left with an upper-body injury and did not return to a game the Bruins won, 4-3, in a shootout.

Chara skated off the ice at 4:12 of the first period. It was announced that he had an upper-body injury. Coach Claude Julien did not have an update on Chara’s status immediately after the game, saying only, “He’s going to get evaluated, I guess, closely. We’ll see. Upper body.â€


Chara skated three shifts. It appeared he took a hit from the Rangers’ Ryan Bourque, being sent into the boards by the Bruins’ bench. Chara appeared to hit the boards in his hip area.

Amalie & Haggerty tweat he's day to day. Both think this is good news. Julien won't say if he'll be ready for season opener.

 

[Fierce1]

Where is the guy that suggested trading Chara after 2013 and was chased out of here with vitriol spewing everywhere ?

I was saying it (maybe not the only one) but I got chewed up and spat out repeatedly.

 

[LouJersey]

I was saying it (maybe not the only one) but I got chewed up and spat out repeatedly.

My apologies to you then...

 

[BigGoalBrad]

I was saying it (maybe not the only one) but I got chewed up and spat out repeatedly.

I suggested buying him out once (not seriously just threw it out there with the compliance buyouts going away after that summer or last) and it wasn't pretty.


Maybe we can actually see him in a second pairing shut down role now with NO PP time and his minutes limited. We've never seen him in that role and the guy is a future HOF-er it would be wrong to think he couldn't do well with less minutes and kept off the power play.



With Chara only lasting 2 minutes in his first appearance though I hope some of the idiots who criticized resigning McQuaid rethink that. REALLY pisses me off that much of our fanbase thinks McQuaid is no better than a 3rd pairing plug considering how well he kills penalties.

 

[LouJersey]

I suggested buying him out once (not seriously just threw it out there with the compliance buyouts going away after that summer or last) and it wasn't pretty.


Maybe we can actually see him in a second pairing shut down role now with NO PP time and his minutes limited. We've never seen him in that role and the guy is a future HOF-er it would be wrong to think he couldn't do well with less minutes and kept off the power play.



With Chara only lasting 2 minutes in his first appearance though I hope some of the idiots who criticized resigning McQuaid rethink that.[/QUOTE]

I loved resigning him...problem is , if Morrow, Kevan Miller and Colin Miller keep looking like this it may prove to be not such a great signing .

 

[BigGoalBrad]

I suggested buying him out once (not seriously just threw it out there with the compliance buyouts going away after that summer or last) and it wasn't pretty.


Maybe we can actually see him in a second pairing shut down role now with NO PP time and his minutes limited. We've never seen him in that role and the guy is a future HOF-er it would be wrong to think he couldn't do well with less minutes and kept off the power play.



With Chara only lasting 2 minutes in his first appearance though I hope some of the idiots who criticized resigning McQuaid rethink that.[/QUOTE]

I loved resigning him...problem is , if Morrow, Kevan Miller and Colin Miller keep looking like this it may prove to be not such a great signing .

I guarantee an expansion team snags him off our hands its almost a certainty one will want him and he may not be someone we chose to protect so that means it likely won't be a 4 year deal.

Your right that those guys can replace McQ somewhat easily and are cheaper and offer more offense. BUt they don't replace Chara or Seids and their roles especially on the PK like McQaid can. Both, not one of Chara and Seids have had injury incidents already and these guys just got to camp the two of them slowing down makes McQuaid resigning a no brainer he can fill in for them 10x better than Kevan Miller can even if Miller can do McQuaids job similarly for a lot less.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Where is the guy that suggested trading Chara after 2013 and was chased out of here with vitriol spewing everywhere ?

For the right return im willing to trade anyone. I pointed out the argument to trade chara. I never say theres only 1 possible correct course of action. So i wasnt against resigning him. But obviously my trade proposals are almost never met with support and my suggestions of trading chara were met with alot of scourn and ridicule.

As was my seguin for ovechkin with 3 mill retained.

My suggestion to grab bouwmeister with calgary eating half the contract.

I make at least 100 proposals a year... some might be crap but many prove out to be value.

 

[cat400]

Watching Chara on his first shift last night was like putting on your favorite gloves on a cold winter night. You knew the situation was under control.

Unfortunate that he was injured; but good to hear that they are calling it day-to-day.

No need to rush him out the door yet. He should prove a valuable mentor / protector to the young dmen as the season unfolds and the going gets rough.

 

[captain stone]

With Chara only lasting 2 minutes in his first appearance though I hope some of the idiots who criticized resigning McQuaid rethink that. REALLY pisses me off that much of our fanbase thinks McQuaid is no better than a 3rd pairing plug considering how well he kills penalties.

Did you just call those who criticized re-signing the almighty Adam McQuaid "idiots"? Seriously?

And BTW, McQuaid is the dictionary definition of a 3rd-pairing plugger, at least on a legit contender he would be, which is exactly what he was here up until the Boychuk trade.

 

[DKH]

In light of what happened kind of a bizarre opinion but I was wondering even in warmups How he'd move around and for him he was fluid and moving well. I was pretty pumped and then the Ryan Bourque freight train came along

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

My apologies to you then...

I very well could who you're thinking of, along with a few others on this board.

As much **** as I'm going to take for it (and already have), the fact is I am thinking with my brain and not my Bruins-tinted ego like the majority of this board (maybe the FO as well).

The writing has been on the wall for Chara for a couple years now and it's just too damn hard for people to acknowledge it. It's both enraging and sad to see the fanbase so heavily invested in what is so obviously a lost cause.

And yes, cue the "you don't know ****, he'll be back big this year, blah, blah, blah" for the 1000000 time only to be proven completely wrong again.

Just put it together already people and let it go.

 

[BamBamCam]

I very well could who you're thinking of, along with a few others on this board.

As much **** as I'm going to take for it (and already have), the fact is I am thinking with my brain and not my Bruins-tinted ego like the majority of this board (maybe the FO as well).

The writing has been on the wall for Chara for a couple years now and it's just too damn hard for people to acknowledge it. It's both enraging and sad to see the fanbase so heavily invested in what is so obviously a lost cause.

And yes, cue the "you don't know ****, he'll be back big this year, blah, blah, blah" for the 1000000 time only to be proven completely wrong again.

Just put it together already people and let it go.

People what the new kids to excel but can't/don't want to pasture the old

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Did you just call those who criticized re-signing the almighty Adam McQuaid "idiots"? Seriously?

And BTW, McQuaid is the dictionary definition of a 3rd-pairing plugger, at least on a legit contender he would be, which is exactly what he was here up until the Boychuk trade.

Hes just a plugger if you make him one because he doesn't move the puck well.


Defensively he is superior to most 2nd pairing guys and is a big part of our PK. If the entire roster is healthy you don't need him. If Chara and Seids both go down in the first week of training camp he is invaluable.


It was a good signing I think we can still win plenty of games without Z or Seids wouldn't feel that way without Adam McQuaid here. If those two were in their primes I'd be all for replacing him with K Miller and saving 2 mil to spend elsewhere but they aren't.

 

[wintersej]

Hes just a plugger if you make him one because he doesn't move the puck well.


Defensively he is superior to most 2nd pairing guys and is a big part of our PK. If the entire roster is healthy you don't need him. If Chara and Seids both go down in the first week of training camp he is invaluable.


It was a good signing I think we can still win plenty of games without Z or Seids wouldn't feel that way without Adam McQuaid here. If those two were in their primes I'd be all for replacing him with K Miller and saving 2 mil to spend elsewhere but they aren't.

I think, because we have had a good PK for so long, we forget how much it sucks to have a truly bad one.

I LOVE the idea of Krug and Morrow and C. Miller and yada yada... but If Chara or Seids of McQuaid is the one taking the penalty...man that is a tough position on the PK. Subtract McQuaid from that equation and it gets ugly.

edit: basically, I'm 1000% OK with paying an extra million bucks for a veteran bottom pair guy that can bring the toughness and PK ability McQuaid does. He is a high end #5, and really shouldn't see 2nd pairing minutes, but IF HE STAYS MODERATELY HEALTHY, I'm OK with the signing.

 

[Odie]

I've always loved McQuaid. He's not a great passer, but he's dependable defensively and he makes some pretty underrated, well-timed pinches in the offensive zone.

I would be more worried about the Chara injury if Chara wasn't a freak. I'd rather be overly cautious in the preseason.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

It feels like mcquaids money added to our cap space would let us bring in a top 4 guy. Its debatable if mcquaid can handle top 4 mins... but a guarantee he will be crushed in a top pair role.

We paid him double what bottom pair guys should be paid so obviously the team views him as a top 4 option. I dont.

Hes a great 6/7 guy though... i dont dislike the player, only the contract.

Thankfully i do expect chara and seidenberg to rebound. I still have hope morrow will impress. And a couple of the kids seem interesting.

I worry krug will be over exposed in a top 4 role. I still predict we should trade him.He feels like a brian campbell or mark strait situation ready to handcuff us.

Mcquaid and kevan miller are so close in value on the ice but millions apart on contract.

Its sad how things went with hamilton. With this foresight we should have kept boychuk. But the team has at least 6 kid dmen im impressed with.

Its bad luck chara and seidenberg are already dealing with injuries. No one plays well when hurt. I wish the fan base had more faith in a hof guy like chara. Drfinitely our fate this year is in his hands. If chara still has game i think our d can get the job done... but without chara i feel we will be at risk for a bottom 10 finish

 

[Mount KilimanChara]

I very well could who you're thinking of, along with a few others on this board.

As much **** as I'm going to take for it (and already have), the fact is I am thinking with my brain and not my Bruins-tinted ego like the majority of this board (maybe the FO as well).

The writing has been on the wall for Chara for a couple years now and it's just too damn hard for people to acknowledge it. It's both enraging and sad to see the fanbase so heavily invested in what is so obviously a lost cause.

And yes, cue the "you don't know ****, he'll be back big this year, blah, blah, blah" for the 1000000 time only to be proven completely wrong again.

Just put it together already people and let it go.

True or false, the Bruins won a Stanley Cup with Chara as captain during the contract you thought was a mistake to sign?

 

[ChargersRookie]

True or false, the Bruins won a Stanley Cup with Chara as captain during the contract you thought was a mistake to sign?

Mistake was in the $$ sign, don't revert to school yard logic because a buddy says Chara is great.

What was was that? Oh yeah, just before some started to see that it would be hard for him to get another Cup.

Excuses like he must be injured, the young D's need a mentor, are not reasons that get you Cups.

 

[CrazyEights]

Hopefully we'll get more info after the morning skate.

 

[whatsbruin]

I've always loved McQuaid. He's not a great passer, but he's dependable defensively and he makes some pretty underrated, well-timed pinches in the offensive zone.

I can only think of one of these pinches.
Game 7, vs the Habs in the Stanley Cup year.
Made the pinch, way into the corner, kept the puck in.
Eventually made it to Horton, and the rest is history.

 

[JEM28]

Where is the guy that suggested trading Chara after 2013 and was chased out of here with vitriol spewing everywhere ?

Wonder if that was me! LOL. I got lambasted for suggesting Chara be moved as there were 3 or so posters that killed me. I think I further got folks riled up by saying they wouldn't get much for him, not with his age and salary.

This isn't by any means an "I told you so." I just thought I saw a rapidly declining, formerly elite D-man. Those were rough times!

 

[TMac21]

Wonder if that was me! LOL. I got lambasted for suggesting Chara be moved as there were 3 or so posters that killed me. I think I further got folks riled up by saying they wouldn't get much for him, not with his age and salary.

This isn't by any means an "I told you so." I just thought I saw a rapidly declining, formerly elite D-man. Those were rough times!

He did get nominated for the Norris in 2014.

 

[JEM28]

He did get nominated for the Norris in 2014.

And here we go again.

With respect to Norris finalists, in 2015 Subban was nominated for the Norris. Great player, but one of the three BEST d-men in the league? Nope.

Anyway, the point was about a decline in his performance and what that meant going forward. As a player ages there's a good likelihood the year over year decline gets greater each season. Some of us suggested it and were killed by others who said he wasn't declining at all, etc. Difference in views is all...and one view appears to maybe have been a little more accurate.

 

[PsychoDad]

Didn't we win the presidents trophy in 2014 or have I missed something?
Maybe I'm dumb but I noticed that in todays NHL that you don't dismantle your core if you are a contender because a full rebuild takes at least another 7 years. If you trade Chara in 2013, you trade the core with it too, the third best in the NHL in last 5 years, in a hope that maybe in 7-10 years we become serious contenders again... Yeah, thank you.

 

[JEM28]

Didn't we win the presidents trophy in 2014 or have I missed something?
Maybe I'm dumb but I noticed that in todays NHL that you don't dismantle your core if you are a contender because a full rebuild takes at least another 7 years. If you trade Chara in 2013, you trade the core with it too, the third best in the NHL in last 5 years, in a hope that maybe in 7-10 years we become serious contenders again... Yeah, thank you.

If in dismantling your core you trade Chara for nothing or for fuitures, yeah, you have a point.

If you trade him for a significant return in a current NHL player, or players, then might be worth it as you cna serve the future and the present.

The deal would have to be right, I'll grant that. But NOT considering moving him it at all because he's some alleged stud that will perform at the 2011/2012 level until he is 42 always seemed overly optimistic to me.