The cap savings would be return enough for me; anything beyond that would be a bonus.
Player Discussion Zdeno Chara
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The cap savings would be return enough for me; anything beyond that would be a bonus.
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CashMash wrote: "As it stands now, if we move him, it's either going to be at the deadline or not at all in my opinion. He is a good mentor for younger d-men, so I think we'll keep him."
I think you're right, but I believe it's more that he would be difficult to move. I just can't see giving up high end value for a 38-yr-old who can't skate. Then there's his cap figure, I don't think he's as attractive as some make him out to be. With respect to his leadership qualities we recently discussed an article written by a guy named Haggerty who stated clearly that it's just the opposite of what you said, that in fact, Chara does not make himself accessible to his teammates.
I think you're right, but I believe it's more that he would be difficult to move. I just can't see giving up high end value for a 38-yr-old who can't skate. Then there's his cap figure, I don't think he's as attractive as some make him out to be. With respect to his leadership qualities we recently discussed an article written by a guy named Haggerty who stated clearly that it's just the opposite of what you said, that in fact, Chara does not make himself accessible to his teammates.
It's interesting, it's not, dear me Mr. Chara, it's extraordinary, your ability to defy father time. You're a rare breed sir, truly. No, it's, um, after whatever that was last year, do you think maybe you might retire? Mere coincidence I suppose, means nothing. Oh, sure, but remember, he was injured. I found this to be of interest:
Tell me, what sort of weight should I afford the part that's emphasized? That his condition, to whatever extent, is permanent. Some, a little, what, none at all? I mean, is he even going to fully recover? That article is actually about Bruins who don't have all that much market value, Chara of course, at the top of the list. That talk about getting adequate or even favorable compensation for guys like Chara, Seidenberg & Kelly is totally lost on me. Great if you get something, but just getting out from under those contracts would've been very helpful, it seems. Here's one about Seidenberg, stating that if asked, he'd waive his NTC:
So even paired with Chara didn't help. You know, these guys that went awol, headed by Lucic perhaps, why did it happen? Oh, doesn't really matter, they're gone now! Right, but did whatever it was that caused the mutiny go with them? How do you know that whatever the problem was, it isn't still there?
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But that roster was good. Compare them in July, 2011 to us now and it's not that close. Trading for Carter only widened the gap.
On topic, I've been saying this for a while. Even if we don't get a good prospect back, I'd trade him for cap space. I don't expect it to happen though.
Bet Carolina fans said the same thing when Recchi left. You're telling me he can't be Hal Gill for two more years either? It's all about the money in the salary crap world but I think Chara and Bergeron were influenced by Recchi and the work ethic standards he set as his age, which is not to say that their work ethic was lacking before. I think that continues to effect the team in conditioning, playing with and through injury, and professionalism. Father Time may be undefeated, but the most determined athletes always try to beat him.
It's just hilarious how when we talk about guys coming up on the depth chart they will have to adjust to facing better players every night and are skeptical, but rarely think of the benefit to players dropping down the depth chart and facing weaker opposition. Put more simply, which other defenseman is ready to assume number one minutes for the Bruins and why haven't they been able to displace him yet? I still think he can be a very effective player if utilized differently and/or with less minutes. I also think he's a guy who has had the hockey world seriously doubt him every step of the way despite his success, and am rooting for him to continue playing.
Now if a legit #1 somehow arrives in quick sequence after trading Chara (or in trade for him), I'd be fine with that, but dumping him because his cap hit is too high and "rebuilding" would bring the word "cheap" to mind.
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Im silently optimistic that both Chara and Seids are better this year and return to form somewhat.
Im very very happy that Irwin and McQuaid are here just in case they aren't or don't make it through 82 games and the playoffs. (Seids tends to have a season ending injury every even numbered year sadly.)
Im very very happy that Irwin and McQuaid are here just in case they aren't or don't make it through 82 games and the playoffs. (Seids tends to have a season ending injury every even numbered year sadly.)
and hopefully avoiding shootouts... the B's left a lot of pts on the board with shootout losses... hopefully they can grab the extra point a couple times this year. that's the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.
Exactly.
That's why I would be happy to dump him & his albatross contract for nothing more than cap relief.
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So you are arguing that a team that won the cup, by making it to the playoffs and going on a tear, is worse than a team that didn't make the playoffs last year and didn't fill any of the holes in their roster yet? (subtracted #2 defenseman, top 6 LW, missing top RW and top 4 defenseman) (added top 6 LW and top 9 RW, missing top RW and 2 top 4 defensemen)
Sweeney still has time. And I admit, this team could be hungrier, but they are less skilled, less experienced, and overall banking on guys to step up, that up to this point haven't. Those guys very well could step up, and the team at the end of the season will be a much better team by the end of the season, but as of now... way too many question marks. It's all hope and wishful thinking until they show us more than what they've done.
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Adam McQuaid nor Matt Irwin have played a full season in the NHL or AHL.
You never have anything positive to say but i don't see BigZ winning another Cup with us imho.
Imho.
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It still surprises me that some people don't realize how bad this team is. We just can't hide the fact that our d corps is horrendous. We are closer to a lottery team than a cup champ. There is no way this team makes the playoffs this season.
I'd ask Z if he wanted another shot elsewhere and I'd target the Ducks at the trade deadline. The Ducks maybe the #1 contender this coming season and there is no better year for them to go all in. I would retain salary if that's what it takes and I'd want Shea Theodore in return. That's a big ask but the Cup contender window opens and closes quickly as we've all seen. Z would be a nice complimentary piece to deal with some of the big players from LA and out west in general.
they could make somethign work if they knew he was going to retire. he'd be a good addition to a team making a cup run if the B's are on the outside looking in again. and the 6.9M cap relief would be nice spending money for the Bruins to have on someone who's 10 yrs younger.
or Jakob Silfverberg.... the ducks could have used Z this past playoff run.... it whether the sports den thing is true or not given Z's injuries it wouldn't be all that surprising if he was told by doctors that he maybe only had 1 year left in his body. he may be mentally ready to play but when you start permanatly tearing ligaments you're body can't keep going.
if that's the case I hope the B's can do somethign for him ala Ray Bourque and send him to someone who has a legitmate chance to go deep. while also freeing up almsot 7M in space for us.
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"Zdeno Chara admits that he doesn't like when people judge him because of his age.
Chara, 38, missed 19 games because of torn ligaments in his knee early in the year, and he was also dealing with a non displaced fracture of his left fibula at the end of the season. "I don’t understand why all of a sudden my age is an issue just because I got hurt and I missed a lot of games, a big chunk of the season," said Chara, 38. "I don’t like it. I don’t like when people start to judge you based on age or the amount of games you played.I still feel very motivated, very confident that I’m going to be healthy and strong next season. I don’t know. Obviously I am planning to play beyond what maybe people are guessing or expecting. My plans have always been to play in this league at a high level for a long time."
Found this when I was reading about Chara, could that be looked at that he wants to play more than 3years?
Chara, 38, missed 19 games because of torn ligaments in his knee early in the year, and he was also dealing with a non displaced fracture of his left fibula at the end of the season. "I don’t understand why all of a sudden my age is an issue just because I got hurt and I missed a lot of games, a big chunk of the season," said Chara, 38. "I don’t like it. I don’t like when people start to judge you based on age or the amount of games you played.I still feel very motivated, very confident that I’m going to be healthy and strong next season. I don’t know. Obviously I am planning to play beyond what maybe people are guessing or expecting. My plans have always been to play in this league at a high level for a long time."
Found this when I was reading about Chara, could that be looked at that he wants to play more than 3years?
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"My plans have always been to play in this league at a high level for a long time"
If he wants to go out on a high note and only plays slightly better than last season then I think he'll hang them up after this year.
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What is high level? Elite #1D, #1D, strong #2D?
But if he is done then we are done and I don't know what Sweeney could do to save us.
“Coming back from a knee [injury] is always the most difficult to come back from. Now it’s 100 percent. One ligament is completely torn, but the rest of them are unaffected. So that saved me. If one of those [other ligaments] were torn, then I would have needed surgery. ACL, MCL…any of those and I would have needed surgery. You can be without [the PCL], and then it stabilizes after a few months.”
" He wasn't 100 percent when he returned from a torn PCL, but he feels fully recovered now even though he plans to wear knee braces for the rest of his career."
“I didn’t have any issues later in the season. When I came back, it was still not completely a hundred percent, but obviously at that point you want to play; you want to be with the team and do whatever you can to help. But towards the end there were no issues,” said Chara. “The only way to get the strength back in that knee was by playing, and by going through it. I was skating back to normal at the end."
So atleast we have chance, if he doesn't have to use heavy/huge braces then it should not bother at all, if it's just small supporive brace then it's fine.
Chara/Krecji are the reasons why this long offseason is a good thing.
So the question basically was that if the knee doesn't bother him and he returns to from, not prime form then is he planning on playing longer than 3years?
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