Player Discussion: Zach Werenski thread

[DarkandStormy]

Is it time to consider Werenski as one of the best players in franchise history? Right now I’d have to say it’s Bob, and Z probably hasn’t passed him yet. But he might be getting close

Depends on how you define best. Panarin has the top two seasons with the most points.

Mount Rushmore is probably Bobrovsky, Nash, Werenski, Cam with honorable mentions to Jenner and Foligno.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

More Seth Jones PTSD?

Dude did get Norris votes, and he deserved them. It’s also worth to mention how different the team played most of the time back then, and just how low scoring of a team they were. Having Atkinson and Foligno before Jones is nonsense,IMO.

Panarin was the best to ever play with the CBJ jersey on, unfortunately for as short as it was. Neither he, Nash, or Jones should be looked at negatively however.

Guys like Fedorov and Gaborik belong on a list also.

Jones was a solid player here. He probably makes the list if he stayed. The one year (I think it was 2016-17) he got Norris votes they were deserved. However he didn’t maintain that elite level of play. He just wasn’t here long enough to be considered imo.

Panarin might be the best player to play for us talent wise, but be wasnt here long enough. Fedorov and Gaborik are on the list if it’s “best players to ever play for the CBJ.” But not from their own accomplishments here.

 

[Viqsi]

Werenski, as an individual player, is playing better than he ever has. It has everything to do with his increased mobility and overall physical ability. He has looked like the same player with Severson, Provorov, and now Fabbro. Different players and play styles mesh differently. Each one of these guys has looked very good at different parts of the year, IMO, non coincidentally mostly when they are playing with Werenski.

The Werenski-Jones pairing was clearly the most effective or impactful as a pairing, even if Werenski wasn’t at his “peak”, which he seems to be at right now.

I for one find it a mite disappointing that Jones' peak has evidently passed him by. Imagine peak Werenski and peak Jones together. Mmmmmmm.

Of course, that'd also require an alternate universe in which Jones doesn't force his way out, but c'mon, a girl can dream.

 

[Viqsi]

More Seth Jones PTSD?

Dude did get Norris votes, and he deserved them. It’s also worth to mention how different the team played most of the time back then, and just how low scoring of a team they were. Having Atkinson and Foligno before Jones is nonsense,IMO.

Panarin was the best to ever play with the CBJ jersey on, unfortunately for as short as it was. Neither he, Nash, or Jones should be looked at negatively however.

Guys like Fedorov and Gaborik belong on a list also.

Panarin and Jones should definitely be listed. I wouldn't list Fedorov or Gaborik, tho, as their big years weren't in union blue.

 

[Viqsi]

Jones was a solid player here. He probably makes the list if he stayed. The one year (I think it was 2016-17) he got Norris votes they were deserved. However he didn’t maintain that elite level of play. He just wasn’t here long enough to be considered imo.

Panarin might be the best player to play for us talent wise, but be wasnt here long enough. Fedorov and Gaborik are on the list if it’s “best players to ever play for the CBJ.” But not from their own accomplishments here.

I dunno. Panarin's and Jones' peaks here were high enough that I'd keep them up there on a list regardless.

 

[koteka]

More Seth Jones PTSD?

Dude did get Norris votes, and he deserved them. It’s also worth to mention how different the team played most of the time back then, and just how low scoring of a team they were. Having Atkinson and Foligno before Jones is nonsense,IMO.

Big fan of Jones, but longevity factors in. I mean there is no doubt the best performing Jacket ever was Panarin (2 highest point seasons) but is he a top 10 Jacket all time? Hell, how do you rate Saad who had a couple of really good seasons and his career pretty much peaked here. Jones was a Jacket for 5 1/2 seasons. To me that is not long enough to get you in the top 5 all time.

Bob - 7 seasons
Werenski - 9 seasons
Nash - 9 seasons
Atkinson - 8 full seasons and 2 half seasons
Foligno - 9 seasons

I’d probably have Jones next. Then maybe Dubinsky.

 

[thebus88]

I for one find it a mite disappointing that Jones' peak has evidently passed him by. Imagine peak Werenski and peak Jones together. Mmmmmmm.

Interesting mindset and winky face. The CBJ would undoubtedly have been and be better now, if he would have stayed. I don’t watch the Chicago Blackhawks, no. I’ll assume that most of Jones’ “decline“ and him playing with literally one of the worst 3 rosters on the NHL the last few years, is not a coincidence.

He would look like a completely different player playing with current day Werenski.

Of course, that'd also require an alternate universe in which Jones doesn't force his way out, but c'mon, a girl can dream.

Why don’t people look at Foligno and Atkinson the same exact way??

Can anyone give me a good reason why Nick Foligno is the captain of the Chicago Blackhawks?

 

[koteka]

Other names for this way off topic tangent:

Jenner 3rd in points as a Jacket and 1st in games as a Jacket.
Vyborney is 6th in points and 7th in games.
Savard is 5th in games.

 

[thebus88]

Depends on how you define best. Panarin has the top two seasons with the most points.

Mount Rushmore is probably Bobrovsky, Nash, Werenski, Cam with honorable mentions to Jenner and Foligno.

I just don’t understand the mindset, even when it comes to Panarin. Or especially when it comes to him. Him and Jones should be looked at similar in the way that they were completely professional and played at a level that was literally best in the LEAGUE for at least a couple seasons, which is all you can ask of ANYONE. It sucks they left, but, that’s really all that should be taken from it, in regards to them personally. IMO.

Big fan of Jones, but longevity factors in. I mean there is no doubt the best performing Jacket ever was Panarin (2 highest point seasons) but is he a top 10 Jacket all time? Hell, how do you rate Saad who had a couple of really good seasons and his career pretty much peaked here. Jones was a Jacket for 5 1/2 seasons. To me that is not long enough to get you in the top 5 all time.

Bob - 7 seasons
Werenski - 9 seasons
Nash - 9 seasons
Atkinson - 8 full seasons and 2 half seasons
Foligno - 9 seasons

I’d probably have Jones next. Then maybe Dubinsky.

Again, I don’t understand the “longevity factor” here. Panarin and his amount of time I can understand the argument. But he was still THE BEST when he was here. As was the team. Jones and 5 and a half years!?! Come on.

And again, to everyone else and their lists. Bob, Nash, Atkinson, Foligno all have similar “endings” to their CBJ careers, as Panarin and Jones.

-the Fedorov/Gaborik list would be interesting/fun. Poll/thread. Best players to ever play. Career wise.-

 

[EDM]

I would not list Panarin. He bailed on the Jackets and the City of Columbus. Now he never caused any trouble and he played his best when he was here. But he clearly wanted out adn he was only here for a few years. So I don't put him on my Mount Rushmore.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

That Jones or Panarin would be considered "Mount Rushmore" candidates for the CBJ tells me one thing.

That the CBJ franchise isn't ready to build a Mount Rushmore for past/current players.

There is one player who would warrant consideration on a legit Mount Rushmore for the Jackets. The goalie who won the Vezina twice here and won a Stanley Cup last year. No one else who played here need apply. Panarin was just over a PPG which isn't anything to glorify in perpetuity.

Nash would only be a sentimental choice.

 

[koteka]

Again, I don’t understand the “longevity factor” here. Panarin and his amount of time I can understand the argument. But he was still THE BEST when he was here. As was the team. Jones and 5 and a half years!?! Come on.

I am a Denver Broncos fan. Terrell Davis arguably was the best player in the NFL for a three year stretch in the 90s. He played for the Broncos for 4 seasons and then (because of injuries) parts of 3 others. Payton Manning played 3 seasons in Denver and set all sorts of QB records. These are hall of fame guys who had league wide accolades and championships playing for the Broncos. I wouldn’t put them near the top of the list of greatest Broncos because they just didn’t have the longevity in Denver.

My greatest Broncos list would have Elway (16 seasons), Gradishar (10), Atwater (10), Shannon Sharp (12), Champ Bailey (9 1/2), and Von Miller (9 1/2) before I would entertain an argument between Terrell Davis, Karl Mecklenberg (12 seasons), Dennis Smith (13) and Gary Zimmerman (5). I don’t know how many other guys I would consider before Manning. Rod Smith (12) is definitely one.

What can I say? I think longevity matters.

 

[majormajor]

Werenski has only played at a Norris-finalist level for a couple months now. I'll be ready for the best Jacket ever conversation after a couple more years of this.

For now it's Bob by a mile, then Z and Nash in some order. Probably Seth Jones 4th for me. Apparently it's controversial, but Cam isn't even close for me.

 

[Viqsi]

Werenski has only played at a Norris-finalist level for a couple months now. I'll be ready for the best Jacket ever conversation after a couple more years of this.

For now it's Bob by a mile, then Z and Nash in some order. Probably Seth Jones 4th for me. Apparently it's controversial, but Cam isn't even close for me.

I'd put Cam in the "most beloved" category alongside the likes of Vyborny and Letestu.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I'd put Cam in the "most beloved" category alongside the likes of Vyborny and Letestu.

Calvert

 

[Viqsi]

Calvert

Cam and Cal were so joined at the hip for so long I wanted to give them at least a brief opportunity to get independent recognition.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[CBJx614]