Yzerplan

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

It's taking longer than most would like and there have been some mind-boggling moves (Walman, Holl) but I think the future is looking bright. None of the vets he signed to make this team more competitive have long term contract and most expire after the next 2 seasons freeing up a lot space for moves. The core (Seider, Raymond and Larkin are signed to team friendly deals with Seider and Raymond providing some of the best bang for the buck contracts in the league).
The biggest weakness for the team is top 6 Center. Larkin is only an average 1C and Compher and Copp are borderline top 6 players (if that). We have 4 prospects at Center who may become an uprade to a Compher lever player. Kasper, Daniel son, Lombardi and Plante. Kasper is showing signs that he may be there already although probably not ready to be a top 6 C yet. It is possible that none become as good a center as Comper but I think it's more likely that at least one of them will be.

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[Euro Twins]

It's taking longer than most would like and there have been some mind-boggling moves (Walman, Holl) but I think the future is looking bright. None of the vets he signed to make this team more competitive have long term contract and most expire after the next 2 seasons freeing up a lot space for moves. The core (Seider, Raymond and Larkin are signed to team friendly deals with Seider and Raymond providing some of the best bang for the buck contracts in the league).
The biggest weakness for the team is top 6 Center. Larkin is only an average 1C and Compher and Copp are borderline top 6 players (if that). We have 4 prospects at Center who may become an uprade to a Compher lever player. Kasper, Daniel son, Lombardi and Plante. Kasper is showing signs that he may be there already although probably not ready to be a top 6 C yet. It is possible that none become as good a center as Comper but I think it's more likely that at least one of them will be.

Yzerplan is going just fine. Poised to have top 3 d core in the league and possibly the best goalie tandem. Lots of pieces and picks can be moved to fill the 1c or 2c position when needed. Wings look poised to be great for the future as well with Raymond, (debrincat), buchelnikov, mbn, Mazur

There's also free agency.

The impatient ones did not realize how long it takes to build through the draft when you get shafted every year and can't draft Bedard or celibrini

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

It's taking longer than most would like and there have been some mind-boggling moves (Walman, Holl) but I think the future is looking bright. None of the vets he signed to make this team more competitive have long term contract and most expire after the next 2 seasons freeing up a lot space for moves. The core (Seider, Raymond and Larkin are signed to team friendly deals with Seider and Raymond providing some of the best bang for the buck contracts in the league).
The biggest weakness for the team is top 6 Center. Larkin is only an average 1C and Compher and Copp are borderline top 6 players (if that). We have 4 prospects at Center who may become an uprade to a Compher lever player. Kasper, Daniel son, Lombardi and Plante. Kasper is showing signs that he may be there already although probably not ready to be a top 6 C yet. It is possible that none become as good a center as Comper but I think it's more likely that at least one of them will be.

Yes, Daniel son.

 

[Snuggs]

Tough to complain much since the Todd Father has been brought in. Lots of things working well and fun to watch. We haven't made the playoff yet and this team is legitimately a set back away from being out of the race.

I'm going to enjoy the wins hopefully till a playoff spot is clinched then I'll circle back to this thread and crown the rebuild over.

 

[Euro Twins]

Tough to complain much since the Todd Father has been brought in. Lots of things working well and fun to watch. We haven't made the playoff yet and this team is legitimately a set back away from being out of the race.

I'm going to enjoy the wins hopefully till a playoff spot is clinched then I'll circle back to this thread and crown the rebuild over.

we already had our major setback. Didn't you see? Petry is out 6-8 weeks. They'll just have to figure their way through it

 

[Murmansk16A]

We have 4 prospects at Center who may become an uprade to a Compher lever player. Kasper, Daniel son, Lombardi and Plante. Kasper is showing signs that he may be there already although probably not ready to be a top 6 C yet. It is possible that none become as good a center as Comper but I think it's more likely that at least one of them will be.

I think Plante plays wing. Finnie is a center.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Best D of the 2019 draft
Best W of the 2020 draft
Best D of the 2021 draft
Best G of the 2021 draft
Best C of the 2022 draft
Best C of the 2023 draft
Best PMD of the 2023 draft
Best PWF of the 2024 draft

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Tough to complain much since the Todd Father has been brought in. Lots of things working well and fun to watch. We haven't made the playoff yet and this team is legitimately a set back away from being out of the race.

I'm going to enjoy the wins hopefully till a playoff spot is clinched then I'll circle back to this thread and crown the rebuild over.

Why would this rebuild be over if we make the playoffs?

 

[Frk It]

Best D of the 2019 draft
Best W of the 2020 draft
Best D of the 2021 draft
Best G of the 2021 draft
Best C of the 2022 draft

Best C of the 2023 draft

Best PMD of the 2023 draft
Best PWF of the 2024 draft

Like I get your point... but I doubt we have the best C from the 23 draft, Cooley so far is the best C from the 2022 draft, and those last 2 are kinda just silly.

 

[Reddwit]

The chink in the Yzerplan armor right now is the pro scouting. The only signings I think they can hang their hat on are the goalies, and scouting goalies is certainly different than skaters.

Kane has worked out too but he wasn’t even playing when we signed him, so our scouts couldn’t have been going off of current NHL performance.

A few guys who were decent in their roles, Ghost, Walman, and Fabbri, we moved on from and replaced with worse UFAs like Gus, Holl, and Tarasenko.

It’s overall a pretty big indictment of whichever pro scouts have Yzerman’s ear. I’m probably going to be holding my breath until I hear that they’ve brought in a few pairs of fresh eyes to curtail the current pro scouts’ deficiencies.

 

[Oddbob]

Don't we already have an Yzerman thread?

 

[Frk It]

The chink in the Yzerplan armor right now is the pro scouting. The only signings I think they can hang their hat on are the goalies, and scouting goalies is certainly different than skaters.

Kane has worked out too but he wasn’t even playing when we signed him, so our scouts couldn’t have been going off of current NHL performance.

A few guys who were decent in their roles, Ghost, Walman, and Fabbri, we moved on from and replaced with worse UFAs like Gus, Holl, and Tarasenko.

It’s overall a pretty big indictment of whichever pro scouts have Yzerman’s ear. I’m probably going to be holding my breath until I hear that they’ve brought in a few pairs of fresh eyes to curtail the current pro scouts’ deficiencies.

I think we can and should look at upgrading our pro scouting.

But I don't think it is nearly the issue people make it out to be.

We are missing some context here. I doubt very much the pro scouts told Yzerman "We absolutely have to get Chiarot/Copp/Compher" this off-season. It is a lot more likely they correctly identified better players to acquire, and those better players weren't interested in coming here. It then becomes do we want Copp or nothing. Do we want Compher or nothing. Do we want Chiarot or nothing.

And the way those guys have helped insulate our young players and make a playoff push last year and are now in a playoff push again this year... I don't think those decisions were that bad.

 

[SantosHalper]

We are missing some context here.

I'd say we are missing a whole lot context here. No one here knows which players they are watching and what do they write in their reports. At the end of the day, it's Yzerman's call which players he acquires. And naturally that player or other GM, has their own mind. It's hard to review pro scouting staff since we don't have anything on them, all we have is desicions made by Yzerman.

Whom ever it was who recommended Forsling to Zito, gave a prime example of good pro scouting. Wings pro scout could have done the same but if the boss wasn't interested, well that's about it then.

 

[Tatar Shots]

The chink in the Yzerplan armor right now is the pro scouting. The only signings I think they can hang their hat on are the goalies, and scouting goalies is certainly different than skaters.

Kane has worked out too but he wasn’t even playing when we signed him, so our scouts couldn’t have been going off of current NHL performance.

A few guys who were decent in their roles, Ghost, Walman, and Fabbri, we moved on from and replaced with worse UFAs like Gus, Holl, and Tarasenko.

It’s overall a pretty big indictment of whichever pro scouts have Yzerman’s ear. I’m probably going to be holding my breath until I hear that they’ve brought in a few pairs of fresh eyes to curtail the current pro scouts’ deficiencies.

I think even criticism of our pro scouting gets taken too far. Do people not remember how atrocious our center depth behind Larkin was at our worst? It’s really hard to add capable, defensively responsible centers who can pitch in some offense. Compher and Copp were very much missed by their teams when they left. We’ve seen just how badly it can get in this league when you don’t insulate your young talent with NHL caliber vets.

Holl is my biggest gripe of everyone thought he was terrible when signed and he did absolutely nothing to prove anyone wrong.

 

[Frk It]

I think even criticism of our pro scouting gets taken too far. Do people not remember how atrocious our center depth behind Larkin was at our worst? It’s really hard to add capable, defensively responsible centers who can pitch in some offense. Compher and Copp were very much missed by their teams when they left. We’ve seen just how badly it can get in this league when you don’t insulate your young talent with NHL caliber vets.

Holl is my biggest gripe of everyone thought he was terrible when signed and he did absolutely nothing to prove anyone wrong.

My biggest gripe is the Holl/Petry additions and how they went down. If you are so skeptical about the defenseman you just signed in free agency that you feel you have to add Petry, you never should have signed that guy to begin with.

 

[Tatar Shots]

My biggest gripe is the Holl/Petry additions and how they went down. If you are so skeptical about the defenseman you just signed in free agency that you feel you have to add Petry, you never should have signed that guy to begin with.

That’s fair. I get that it’s hard to turn down Petry when you’re getting him 75% retained for practically nothing.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

My biggest gripe is the Holl/Petry additions and how they went down. If you are so skeptical about the defenseman you just signed in free agency that you feel you have to add Petry, you never should have signed that guy to begin with.

The copp/compher deals were almost just as bad. They were clearly 3rd line players from the get go who benefited from being on top nhl teams at the time of free agency

Tarasenko has been a flop, yzerman has not had much luck in free agency. I'd rather play wallinder tuomisto etc.. then make free agent signings at this point unless someone like Kyle connor decides he wants to come home

 

[Frk It]

The copp/compher deals were almost just as bad. They were clearly 3rd line players from the get go who benefited from being on top nhl teams at the time of free agency

Tarasenko has been a flop, yzerman has not had much luck in free agency. I'd rather play wallinder tuomisto etc.. then make free agent signings at this point unless someone like Kyle connor decides he wants to come home

Eh, I think how bad those deals are is overblown. As @Tatar Shots pointed out we had 0 center depth at the time we signed those players and also had a ton of cap flexibility.

Are they overpaid? Absolutely. (Welcome to free agency) Are they these humongous blunders? I don't think so.

The reality is we needed a 2/3C and those were probably the best options we had available to us.

Compher had 19 goals and 48 pts in 77 games last year for us. That is about exactly what I would have expected for him. Copp offers a lot of versatility and has been one of our best faceoff guys since he's been here. The fact we have not needed those guys as much this year is a good sign that our young players are stepping up and bumping them down the lineup. I would guess Yzerman hoped their ice time would decrease over the years of their contract and that is exactly what we have seen.

I also think it is decently likely we see 1 of the 2 traded at this deadline. We now have the young guys ready to make them expendable.

 

[schuelma24]

Eh, I think how bad those deals are is overblown. As @Tatar Shots pointed out we had 0 center depth at the time we signed those players and also had a ton of cap flexibility.

Are they overpaid? Absolutely. (Welcome to free agency) Are they these humongous blunders? I don't think so.

The reality is we needed a 2/3C and those were probably the best options we had available to us.

Compher had 19 goals and 48 pts in 77 games last year for us. That is about exactly what I would have expected for him. Copp offers a lot of versatility and has been one of our best faceoff guys since he's been here. The fact we have not needed those guys as much this year is a good sign that our young players are stepping up and bumping them down the lineup. I would guess Yzerman hoped their ice time would decrease over the years of their contract and that is exactly what we have seen.

I also think it is decently likely we see 1 of the 2 traded at this deadline. We now have the young guys ready to make them expendable.

Agree. The contracts hurt us this offseason as far as losing flexibility to spend, but that problem is about to go away. We're about to have plenty of cap space..so much so, I'm kind of worried what we do with it..

 

[Frk It]

Agree. The contracts hurt us this offseason as far as losing flexibility to spend, but that problem is about to go away. We're about to have plenty of cap space..so much so, I'm kind of worried what we do with it..

I am interested to see how free agency goes this summer with the information out there the Cap is going up progressively over the next 3 years.

Things definitely might get weird... lol

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Eh, I think how bad those deals are is overblown. As @Tatar Shots pointed out we had 0 center depth at the time we signed those players and also had a ton of cap flexibility.

Are they overpaid? Absolutely. (Welcome to free agency) Are they these humongous blunders? I don't think so.

The reality is we needed a 2/3C and those were probably the best options we had available to us.

Compher had 19 goals and 48 pts in 77 games last year for us. That is about exactly what I would have expected for him. Copp offers a lot of versatility and has been one of our best faceoff guys since he's been here. The fact we have not needed those guys as much this year is a good sign that our young players are stepping up and bumping them down the lineup. I would guess Yzerman hoped their ice time would decrease over the years of their contract and that is exactly what we have seen.

I also think it is decently likely we see 1 of the 2 traded at this deadline. We now have the young guys ready to make them expendable.

We had zero center depth but neither of those 2 were ever top 6 centers

Copp will likely be on the 4th line before his contract ends. He took advantage of a late season surge with the rangers and fooled ppl into thinking he was better than he was(35ish pt forward)

Compher took advantage of playing with Colorado when he got that deal. He was 2c when we had nothing else and he'll be a bottom 6 guy here after next season I'd say

If we had the chance to get rid of both of those guys asap I would. Try and convince buffalo he can be a 2c option in a package for cozens. Wed be better off

I dont think yzerman was hoping they'd play less when he signed those guys. Its only comphers 2nd year and copp still has 2 years after this season

The only way one gets traded this deadline is if we make a big deal and salary needs to be moved. Hope your right but dont see too many options

Zegras... doubt yzerman wants him
Pettersson .. doubt canucks move him
Cozens ... might not be an option if canucks move pettersson as theyll likely be trade partners