Your thoughts on Berube & coaching staff

[Gabriel426]

I am starting to see the guys are going back to their old habits with each passing game.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I am starting to see the guys are going back to their old habits with each passing game.

They are going to get bounced in the first round almost certainly, it's just the reality of this team and its ownership.

NBA: Dallas and LA pulled off a most stunning trade with Luka and Anthony Davis. A year after the Mavs made the finals. We saw Avs move Rantenan a couple of years after winning a Cup rather than weakening their depth by signing him (and Avs had to have known the cap was expanding so they didn't want to NOT have the excuse so they traded him BEFORE the cap ceiling was raised. Astute ownership).

Some teams go for it and constantly adapt to the changing reality and try to mold their teams to a ring, other teams are comfortable with assured mediocrity, the path of least resistance. I never thought Keefe was the problem, barring some dramatics, it will be hard to see Berube or any other coach being the solution though he will try of course. This is a personnel issue which only GM and ownership can solve if they had the courage and vision.

This team will need absurd goaltending and relentless D to win even a round.

 

[thewave]

They are going to get bounced in the first round almost certainly, it's just the reality of this team and its ownership.

NBA: Dallas and LA pulled off a most stunning trade with Lukas and Anthony Davis. A year after the Mavs made the finals. We saw Avs move Rantenan a couple of years after winning a Cup rather than weakening their depth by signing him (and Avs had to have known the cap was expanding so they didn't want to NOT have the excuse so they traded him BEFORE the cap ceiling was raised. Astute ownership).

Some teams go for it and constantly adapt to the changing reality and try to mold their teams to a ring, other teams are comfortable with assured mediocrity, the path of least resistance. I never thought Keefe was the problem, barring some dramatics, it will be hard to see Berube or any other coach being the solution though he will try of course. This is a personnel issue which only GM and ownership can solve if they had the courage and vision.

This team will need absurd goaltending and relentless D to win even a round.

Stop right there. That Mavs deal stinks to high heaven. It makes no sense whatsoever.

We ain't even close with the depth we have and Rielly being horrible.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Stop right there. That Mavs deal stinks to high heaven. It makes no sense whatsoever.

We ain't even close with the depth we have and Rielly being horrible.

To me the outcome of the trade doesn't matter as much as constantly and objectively re-calibrating and "going for it" does.

Now, it's far more difficult to justify a trade after a guy just made the Finals. Could you imagine Dallas keeping Luka if he dropped the First Round 8 out of 9 years? With only one playoff round of success?

Come on, that's crazy talk for government agencies happy with the status quo not serious championship seeking professional sports teams.

 

[nuck]

After a sloppy win isn't the best time to evaluate. I looked at Stolarz and Woll's game logs and between them they have seen more than 35 shots just five times in 45 games. The Oil had 30 SOG last time they played so this isn't Berube hockey or Leaf hockey for that matter.

The pp is kind of an open sore though. The most obvious thing is Matthews should have about 5 more goals which would move them from 14th to 6th in efficiency. Is that slumping Matty or a Matty-Berube/Savard thing? Detroit is 4th getting the same limp goal scoring from their D as the Leafs so I don't agree they desperately need a cannon from the point. The Leafs had the #6 pp last year with 2 goals from their D which they have already matched this year. Tampa led the league in pp last year with 5ppg from their D and this year they have the 5th best pp with 2 defense ppg. Its the system IMO.

 

[Jojalu]

Yeah for sure. That depth though isn't taking us far or anywhere and Morgan can lose games for us in the playoffs on his own. Is the guy using hard drugs?

Rielly should be getting booed off the ice

Booing someone is ridiculous unless it's an effort level. Even then, no one knows for sure of there is a nagging injury.

If he has lost a step which it looks like he has that hardly seems like a reason to boo someone.

 

[thewave]

Booing someone is ridiculous unless it's an effort level. Even then, no one knows for sure of there is a nagging injury.

If he has lost a step which it looks like he has that hardly seems like a reason to boo someone.

Lost a step. He is worse than chewed up Dion or Jake Gardiner out there.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Question:

Was this board on the verge of starting its very first "Fire Berube" thread?

 

[Jojalu]

Lost a step. He is worse than chewed up Dion or Jake Gardiner out there.

He has not been good. But my point is I don't see it as a lack of effort so I wouldn't boo him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think they have been healthy for a single game this season, yet they are still top 10 in the league.

That's a testament to the job of the coaching staff.

 

[thewave]

He has not been good. But my point is I don't see it as a lack of effort so I wouldn't boo him.

Lack of effort to me is coming in 30lbs overweight

 

[Jojalu]

Lack of effort to me is coming in 30lbs overweight

Well, I had not heard that but if true I would agree

 

[Torontonian]

Coaching staff has been okay for the injuries Toronto has had this season. I think we are 5th in the NHL with most man games lost.

Biggest problem has been ability to get offence from the team, can't tell if it's a coaching problem or a player problem. I'm leaning towards player problem. Top 6 of the roster has been fine, the bottom 6 has been brutal..

 

[BertCorbeau]

Some positives and negatives but playoff results are all that matters IMO

 

[GoonieFace]

Coaching staff has been okay for the injuries Toronto has had this season. I think we are 5th in the NHL with most man games lost.

Biggest problem has been ability to get offence from the team, can't tell if it's a coaching problem or a player problem. I'm leaning towards player problem. Top 6 of the roster has been fine, the bottom 6 has been brutal..

Does the 5th in man games lost include HankyPanky and Jarnkok?

The bottom six and offence from the defence is definitely an issue

 

[Stephen]

If the premise of Berube was that he would come in here and bend the team to his will and reshape its soul and character, it feels the reverse has happened and more and more like he's acclimatized to the Maple Leaf way. That feel good, non offensive, nurturing low friction, inconsistent compete vibe, minimal self critique continues. Sure they can play the perfect Berube game once in a while, but the standards aren't really different than before.

The impact of dump and chase seems overstated in the way it has short circuited the team's skill and offense and production. Feels like it has exposed a lack of conditioning among many players.

Generally it feels like Ovechkin may have been right. Same team, new coach.

 

[The Shadow]

If the premise of Berube was that he would come in here and bend the team to his will and reshape its soul and character, it feels the reverse has happened and more and more like he's acclimatized to the Maple Leaf way. That feel good, non offensive, nurturing low friction, inconsistent compete vibe, minimal self critique continues. Sure they can play the perfect Berube game once in a while, but the standards aren't really different than before.

The impact of dump and chase seems overstated in the way it has short circuited the team's skill and offense and production. Feels like it has exposed a lack of conditioning among many players.

Generally it feels like Ovechkin may have been right. Same team, new coach.

What did Ovi say exactly?

Also I agree with all of your post. Sadly if Berube can’t hold them accountable I’m not sure who can. Pat Burns and Pat Quinn are the only others to coach the leafs since the 1990’s that got players to over achieve

 

[HockeyVirus]

Question:

Was this board on the verge of starting its very first "Fire Berube" thread?

It's not on the coach. Just makes no sense to put so much money into forwards then play a system reliant on having good D and goaltending. Org wants to be one thing and Shanny wants them to be another

 

[Stephen]

What did Ovi say exactly?

Also I agree with all of your post. Sadly if Berube can’t hold them accountable I’m not sure who can. Pat Burns and Pat Quinn are the only others to coach the leafs since the 1990’s that got players to over achieve

He literally said, new coach same team.

 

[Stephen]

It's not on the coach. Just makes no sense to put so much money into forwards then play a system reliant on having good D and goaltending. Org wants to be one thing and Shanny wants them to be another

I don’t even believe it’s a referendum on putting X dollars on Y superstars as a team building strategy. It’s a specific question of putting the money into a Matthews and Marner led team and do you think Matthews and Marner can do it for you.

From a process POV it doesn’t really look like we’re seeing a new level in their approach. Just looks like the same old stuff.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I don’t even believe it’s a referendum on putting X dollars on Y superstars as a team building strategy. It’s a specific question of putting the money into a Matthews and Marner led team and do you think Matthews and Marner can do it for you.

From a process POV it doesn’t really look like we’re seeing a new level in their approach. Just looks like the same old stuff.

They are basically trying to go deep playing like the Islanders and hoping 4 stars can score 3 goals each night in the playoffs

 

[Stephen]

They are basically trying to go deep playing like the Islanders and hoping 4 stars can score 3 goals each night in the playoffs

Watching the Oilers comeback the Leafs need to figure out how to unlock that next gear in their superstars, get them to remember how to tilt the ice. That’s going to be the foundation of their success.

 

[LeafEgo]

They are basically trying to go deep playing like the Islanders and hoping 4 stars can score 3 goals each night in the playoffs

The root of that strategy is sound. Imagine those back to back ECF Islanders had a couple superstar snipers?

We have a lot of misalignment though, and it may have been a bridge too far given our circumstances.

 

[Leafshater67]

The problem is the roster makeup, not the coach. It doesn’t seem any coach can get the core 4 locked in when it matters. We will see if Berube can but I doubt it.

This team will never win if they resign Marner and double down for the 7-8th time. Dubas really, really screwed the team with those deals but the NMC on Marner’s contract that just kicked in is the icing on the cake. Smart by his agent because his agent knew the leafs and leafs nation would lose their shit if they let marner walk for nothing.

If I was GM, I’d be pushing really hard to get him to waive. They signed Nylander to that deal and that left them no space for Marner. You can’t have both. That’s been proven. Marner for a defenceman