Value of: Your Team's best offer for Noah Dobson

[Hollel]

honestly… a small add and I don’t hate it

Can’t imagine CBJ wanting to pay Dobson and Werenski for similar skill sets, or lose another forward. On the flip side, even with Jiriceks potential it’s still quite risky and potentially continues to lower NYI’s ceiling if Jiricek and Sillinger don’t take bigger steps. Dobson been a bit lost lately but 70pt D men don’t come around often

 

[GRANdSharks]

Oh absolutely no to an unprotected 1st this year. We're a year away from being ready to trade for someone like Dobson. We need another core piece before it's time to load up. We can't give up Hagens or Martone plus more for a defenseman who is not very good defensively and about to need a huge contract.

Something like your deal for Dobson during this upcoming summer with a top-2 protected 2026 1st would be more reasonable for the Sharks.

Fair, personally I'm not as high on the top of the draft this year comparably to prior years and Dobson fills a major whole in our team that I would ideally want to address as soon as possible. Personally I'd want to keep the 2026 first which is why I'd want to put little protections to keep that pick but I understand why that seems like alot to sharks fans. I'm not as worried about Dobson's contract as we have a pretty clean cap sheet to work with for our main core pieces.

 

[Tob]

Even with OP saying Dobson is terrible defensively, people are still offering a boatload for a guy who will use his 70 point season to get a way too above his on ice value contract.

Lou had a window to rip someone off.

 

[Xirik]

Hamilton + Nemec?

big no, I don't think having Luke, Casey, and Dobson is needed.

I'd do Hamilton + Casey but I doubt the islanders go for it.

Pettersson is closer to being Huberdeau than Dobson is to being Ekman-Larsson

I wouldn't go that far. While his points haven't been great I think he's been getting better defensively.

 

[Habsforever14]

Since when is Dobson bad defensively? He was a shutdown stud last season?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Fair, personally I'm not as high on the top of the draft this year comparably to prior years and Dobson fills a major whole in our team that I would ideally want to address as soon as possible. Personally I'd want to keep the 2026 first which is why I'd want to put little protections to keep that pick but I understand why that seems like alot to sharks fans. I'm not as worried about Dobson's contract as we have a pretty clean cap sheet to work with for our main core pieces.

I'm not high on this draft past pick 4, so if we were likely to be in the 5-10 range then I'd happily give up the pick and more for Dobson, as he absolutely represents a need for us. But we aren't nearly done building--Celebrini is a gimme, but everyone else still has questions. Is Smith going to be a 1B center or merely a good 2C? Does Eklund take the next step from "talented young player" into "legit first line scorer"? Can Dickinson become a legit top pairing defenseman or is he merely a middle pairing guy? Can Mukhamadullin and Cagnoni become meaningful contributors on a good team? Do any of our top wing prospects (Musty, Halttunen, Chernyshov) show promise of becoming top-6 at the pro level? The next twelve months will answer a lot of those questions and until they're answered, it doesn't make sense to make a big trade for Dobson and give up another franchise piece like Hagens/Martone/Schaefer/Misa.

If we had a core locked in like Celebrini/Martone/Smith/Dickinson/Eklund with good high-end complementary pieces like Musty/Mukhamadullin/Bystedt/Chernyshov/Cagnoni tracking well as D+2 or greater, then I would be more willing to trade a McKenna-protected 2026 1st, Halttunen, and any roster defenseman (Ferraro or otherwise) for Dobson.

 

[Coffee]

Dobson won't take Hughes off the PP1. so you lose value instantly.

Why not? Canucks have the worst power play in the league

 

[impaaaaaact]

Even with OP saying Dobson is terrible defensively, people are still offering a boatload for a guy who will use his 70 point season to get a way too above his on ice value contract.

Lou had a window to rip someone off.

shhhhhhhh he’s still a shiny new toy to 31 teams

 

[impaaaaaact]

Since when is Dobson bad defensively? He was a shutdown stud last season?

lol he was certainly not. He’s tall but doesn’t know how to use his size and often loses his man by the net leading to easy goals.

I personally think the good vastly outweighs the bad, but with a looming 9M+ contract in there you have the option now to move off of him while his value is at its peak if you don’t agree

 

[seafoam]

NYI should 100% explore selling high on Dobson and find a suitor for Barzal who can have a similar impact that Tkachuk has had with Florida.

 

[Xirik]

Why not? Canucks have the worst power play in the league

That's on the head coach though and it's stupid that he is in charge of the PP. Based off the Devils vs nucks game it seemed like they were looking for the perfect scoring chance instead of shooting. they definitively need a higher volume of shots on the PP.

 

[impaaaaaact]

NYI should 100% explore selling high on Dobson and find a suitor for Barzal who can have a similar impact that Tkachuk has had with Florida.

I honestly think you move one or the other. For all intents and purposes Barzal had his best season last year, then followed it up with 10 lackluster games before going on LTIR and fans are ready to toss him overboard.

I think it’s more than likely he was playing through something and he’ll be back to normal sooner or later. I personally value Barzal a bit more than Dobson and would only consider moving him for another similarly aged all star with a different skillset.

 

[Xirik]

I honestly think you move one or the other. For all intents and purposes Barzal had his best season last year, then followed it up with 10 lackluster games before going on LTIR and fans are ready to toss him overboard.

I think it’s more than likely he was playing through something and he’ll be back to normal sooner or later. I personally value Barzal a bit more than Dobson and would only consider moving him for another similarly aged all star with a different skillset.

I guess it sort of depends on if you think any "adjustment" or "retool" will allow the Islanders to be a threat in the playoffs before Barzal is 30.

Barzal is in his Prime years so his value is at it's highest right now.

 

[bernmeister]

Panarin 11.6+ x 2 retained 5.6+ to 6 even
Trouba 8 x 2 retained 3.0 to 5 even

for

Dobson + raty

presumes both waive b'c LI is close enuf
bread not sniffing 11+ w/Rs
he will not leave now -- local NJ/LI possible exception -- but will waive before last min to avoid ugly look if he is not extended

Trouba has been good but we have elc Mancini + want cap space
next season, his wife finishing current commitments, Trouba nets nice return prob from DET

bread you get dibs on if you want to extend and how much, and

if you need a short term cap dump for balance, we may be able to add

 

[impaaaaaact]

Panarin 11.6+ x 2 retained 5.6+ to 6 even
Trouba 8 x 2 retained 3.0 to 5 even

for

Dobson + raty

presumes both waive b'c LI is close enuf
bread not sniffing 11+ w/Rs
he will not leave now -- local NJ/LI possible exception -- but will waive before last min to avoid ugly look if he is not extended

Trouba has been good but we have elc Mancini + want cap space
next season, his wife finishing current commitments, Trouba nets nice return prob from DET

bread you get dibs on if you want to extend and how much, and

if you need a short term cap dump for balance, we may be able to add

Dobson and who now?

 

[Fogelhund]

My best guess is that we will never be able to completely blow the team up and do a full rebuild because Sorokin keeps us in games on his own. Letting go of Palmieri, Nelson, and Dobson (and maybe retaining to move lee or Pageau) instead of giving them new contracts would be the closest thing we could do to that for the next couple of years.

If we're going to suck this is the year to do it - it's hard to see them moving on from Dobson rather than trying to fix his defensive inneficiencies... but it's be 5 years and 3 coaches at this point. If you decide you don't want to give him the 9M contract, you move him now.

Maybe move Sorokin? Colorado sure could use him, though I have no idea how that would fit cap wise, and clearly you guys wouldn't withhold cap.

 

[Rowlet]

Canucks would probably be all over this.

 

[Habsforever14]

lol he was certainly not. He’s tall but doesn’t know how to use his size and often loses his man by the net leading to easy goals.

I personally think the good vastly outweighs the bad, but with a looming 9M+ contract in there you have the option now to move off of him while his value is at its peak if you don’t agree

Ty for explaining. Do you think he'll make Team Canada?

 

[AvatarAang]

Why are the Islanders trading Dobson?

Because RFA/UFAs don’t want to play for NYI unless they are overpaid

Isles will need to overpay Dobson to keep him long term so they would prefer to trade him for an equivalent player with longer term that has no other option but to play in NYI

 

[WangMustGo]

Because RFA/UFAs don’t want to play for NYI unless they are overpaid

Isles will need to overpay Dobson to keep him long term so they would prefer to trade him for an equivalent player with longer term that has no other option but to play in NYI

Enlighten me, which RFA on the isles is/was overpaid?

Ty for explaining. Do you think he'll make Team Canada?

50/50. If he gets back to his A game he will.

 

[UrbanImpact]

2025 1st
2026 2nd
Willander
Hoglander

I personally do this because I think the Canucks should go for it during Demko's prime and cheap contract but I also believe that Willander will be better than Dobson in 3 or less years

 

[Rowlet]

2025 1st
2026 2nd
Willander
Hoglander

I personally do this because I think the Canucks should go for it during Demko's prime and cheap contract but I also believe that Willander will be better than Dobson in 3 or less years

Canucks need to ditch some salary too if the deal is made today. But also he needs an extension and the Canucks can't realistically fit in his future deal of 7m+ if they also plan to keep Boeser.

If the Canucks send down Juulsen and trade Desharnais for Dobson and continue papering Bains, they'll be cap compliant within the next few weeks, but they can't realistically keep him.

 

[TheBeard]

Oh absolutely no to an unprotected 1st this year. We're a year away from being ready to trade for someone like Dobson. We need another core piece before it's time to load up. We can't give up Hagens or Martone plus more for a defenseman who is not very good defensively and about to need a huge contract.

Something like your deal for Dobson during this upcoming summer with a top-2 protected 2026 1st would be more reasonable for the Sharks.

I'd give up a top 5 protected first

 

[luiginb]

2025 1st
2026 2nd
Willander
Hoglander

Highlander and Zoolander also need to come, or no deal

 

[UrbanImpact]

Canucks need to ditch some salary too if the deal is made today. But also he needs an extension and the Canucks can't realistically fit in his future deal of 7m+ if they also plan to keep Boeser.

If the Canucks send down Juulsen and trade Desharnais for Dobson and continue papering Bains, they'll be cap compliant within the next few weeks, but they can't realistically keep him.

As much as I love Boeser, I would not mind trading him later or letting him walk as UFA and using that money towards Dobsons new contract.

I'd much rather build from the back end out and have a solid solid foundation of Hughes, Hronek, Dobson and then have someone like Lekkerimaki replace Boeser next year.