Value of: Your teams best offer for Mitch Marner

[RedHawkDown]

The only thing Detroit can offer is futures which toronto would not want

But
Copp (salary) + Kasper + Walman + Wallinder + 1st

Marner

Prob too much quantity but giving up Ray/Ed puts us 1 step forward, 1 step back

 

[dubplatepressure]

The only thing Detroit can offer is futures which toronto would not want

But
Copp (salary) + Kasper + Walman + Wallinder + 1st

Marner

Prob too much quantity but giving up Ray/Ed puts us 1 step forward, 1 step back

Hypothetically, I don't think Toronto would be completely uninterested in a package that was futures-heavy. The cupboards are bare beyond Cowan and Minten.

 

[NinjaTurtle]

This thread is about Mitch Marner who plays for the Leafs

For as talented as he is, I find him to be such. Maybe I’m overestimating him based on previous seasons? Maybe my standard has been lowered by Huberdeau? But also, Toronto has a history of taking good players who care and try hard and crapping on them too.

 

[AndreRoy]

I think they’ve got to be getting back a top young D if they’re trading Marner. Otherwise what’s the point?

And nobody is trading a top D for Marner - especially not a top young D who presumably has far more years of team control. The best you could hope for if you want a defenseman back is an older player with similar term to Marner, or maybe an overpaid defenseman with term whose team is willing to swap defense for offense and term for cap flexibility.

 

[Oneiro]

He will probably hit UFA and go to Boston.

 

[Akrapovince]

5v5 playoff production /60 min played amount core 4 last 2 playoff

1-Matthews at 2,34
2- Marner at 2,32
3- Tavares at 1,69
4- Nylander at 1,39

% of the time on ice goal for ev g / 5v5 only
1- Marner 47% / 1-marner 49%
2- Matthews 40% / 2-Matthews 40%
3- nylander 33% / 3- jt 26%
4-tavares 30% / 4- nylander 23%

% of the time goal against
1- marner 1-29 % / Marner 24%
2-Matthews 33%/ 2- matthews/jt 30 %
3- Tavares 33% / 4- nylander 35%
4- Nylander 40%

total primary point ( goal + A1)
1- Marner 15
2-Matthews 13
3- Tavares/Nylander 13

the funny thing its see fan reacting likr marner had been by far leafs worst player and nylander by far leafs best player

It’s weird to see factual numbers, I always thought Nylander stirred the drink in the playoffs from limited viewings.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Kuzmenko, Garland (to make the salary work), and our 1st or Lekkerimaki. Probably not the best package Toronto would receive, but likely the best Van would offer.

 

[DJN21]

what team wants to send a huge bounty to the Leafs, then spend upwards of 12M x 8 to re-sign him? Very skilled, productive player, but is he a guy you win a Cup with? Is he a guy you can win a Cup with? I don't think he can be the best player on a Cup winner, and so far, he hasn't proven that he can be the 2nd best player on a Cup winning team.

If he could be re-signed for 9-10M, then sure, there's a market for him. At 13M, it blows the salary structure of the acquiring team up. What are you going to pay your #1C, and #1D?

The real question here obviously is "is he a guy you win a cup with"...

 

[Backs1r9m]

He's a good player but literally the lowest valued class (small soft playmaking winger) and on a huge contract. And his good defense is much less effective than similar level of D from a center just due to the intricacies of the position.

I wouldn't mind the Capitals take him for something like Kuznetsov + Jensen/TVR + protected 1st assuming we are signing Bear. Kuznetsov gives the Leafs the first playmaking C they've had since Kadri and imo they've been missing that element in the playoffs having to make do with their centers being fed in traffic by wingers pushed against the boards. Jensen/TVR gives them a mobile two way right hand shot that they could use and the 1st would probably be used at the deadline. Marner hopefully gets Ovechkin scoring again.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Why does everyone say his playoff stats are questionable or he's not a playoff performer?

He's an above average possession player int he playoffs, near PPG, his Es or 5v5 points are 28 points in 50 gams played and the insinuation or suggestion of him not being a playoff performer are kind of questionable.

 

[Lockin17]

I would love Marner with the Habs


MTL: Hutson or Reinbacher + Engstrom or Struble + Beck or Mesar + first pick unprotected 2025 + Pearson for cap
for
TOR : Marner

 

[pth2]

I would love Marner with the Habs


MTL: Hutson or Reinbacher + Engstrom or Struble + Beck or Mesar + first pick unprotected 2025 + Pearson for cap
for
TOR : Marner

God no.

Marner is a terrific player but not a fit for the Habs rebuild, not at the kind of cost it will take.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

So he’s bad for the first half of the season and also trash in the playoffs?

This thread is about Mitch Marner who plays for the Leafs

Mitch Marner:

26 games 11 goals 29 points

Washingtons top scorer:

25 games 5 goals 16 points


Marner is also a great two way player. I think you should be more worried about finding some more scoring for your team rather than trolling leaf threads.

 

[Ciao]

. . . This isn't intended as a mock or argument thread. I'm just genuinely interested what fans of individual teams would be willing to offer to take Marner at the trade deadline.

1.5 years remaining @ 10.903 cap hit.

Any "genuine" offers on a player with an NTC that the Leafs have no intention of moving?

Nah, I didn't think so.

Maybe you can just use your imagination. I don't think anyone's going to play along with your mock trade thread.

 

[Ciao]

I think people are underestimating his value. There’s a number of teams without a top center who would be willing to pony up significant assets for a very good two way center despite his playoff struggles.
Have him center a line with two bigger physical players and I think he could really take that next step in the playoffs.
The only thing limiting his value somewhat is the NMC as he can dictate where he goes assuming he partially waives it.

Are you speaking of Marner?

He's not a centre. Hasn't been one since he played junior for the London Knights.

Maybe you're thinking of another player?

 

[VaporTrail]

Doesn't Marner have a NMC/NTC?

Apparently no one cares lol

 

[General Fanager]

I would love Marner with the Habs


MTL: Hutson or Reinbacher + Engstrom or Struble + Beck or Mesar + first pick unprotected 2025 + Pearson for cap
for
TOR : Marner

So he has a full no move and is a year away from UFA....no way id give up all that....

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Kuzmenko + Garland + Brzustewicz + 2nd/1st

Its not enough but given the contract situation & our inability to re-sign him (prob) I don't see top pieces like Lekkerimaki/Willander being available. Even our 1st I think will only move if its mid/late 20's.

Leafs are better off holding onto Marner, might be hard to get correct value for him. Maybe Carolina?

 

[OTB]

So he has a full no move and is a year away from UFA....no way id give up all that....

Well thats a bad offer for Marner.. You dont have too many top 10 NHL players available. No way the Leafs would accept that.

Coming from a MTLer

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Mitch Marner:

26 games 11 goals 29 points

Washingtons top scorer:

25 games 5 goals 16 points


Marner is also a great two way player. I think you should be more worried about finding some more scoring for your team rather than trolling leaf threads.

Terrible in the playoffs and I’m not sure what Washington has to do with anything

A little sensitive huh?

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Terrible in the playoffs and I’m not sure what Washington has to do with anything

A little sensitive huh?

47 points in 50 games total

22 points in his last 18 playoff games

He’s not terrible in the playoffs.

 

[Armourboy]

Problem is not the player, but rather the contract, term and NMC. Teams that would be interested in Marner would be contenders, but they probably don't have the cap. A team with cap, probably isn't contending until after his contract needs to be renewed.

Does a team like Nashville feel they are a Marner away from making a solid run in the playoffs? Are they confident they can do that without Saros?

Marner, Samsonov +
for
Saros, Barrie +

Not sure what the plus would be from either side.

Nah if we are going to even think about a playoff run we are going to need Saros. I think the idea is sound, just not the individual player.

Problem we have is if we are going to make a run we pretty much need everyone that is currently on the roster outside of Barrie and Schenn. Marner would just be pushing an Evangelista or Parsinnen further down the line up really.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Are you speaking of Marner?

He's not a centre. Hasn't been one since he played junior for the London Knights.

Maybe you're thinking of another player?

He can pass and play defense. But has a hefty salary. It’s easy to see why someone would want cap space invested in C more than W.

 

[TS Quint]

47 points in 50 games total

22 points in his last 18 playoff games

He’s not terrible in the playoffs.

$11m for “not terrible”. $11m is ”get on my back I’m leading us to a Cup” money.

For that $11m/year you get a guy who is better than a PPG playoff player 50% of the time. Powerful weak.

 

[Fatass]

NMC needs to be waived.
Trade would need to happen after July 1, 2024 so acquiring club can negotiate next contract as part of whole transaction.