Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[SirloinUB]

I will be, enough is enough time to get aggressive we’ve hoarded enough picks and prospects and he’s had plenty of time to accomplish a rebuild. If he doesn’t do it he should be let go and someone better can steer the ship

Three of these pieces have more than 90 NHL games, two have more than 103 games of experience. Edvinsson and Kasper have 1 season under their belt.

Meanwhile Connor Freakin McDavid and Leon Draisaitl missed the playoffs 3 of their first 4 seasons in the league.

Are you also expecting Yzerman to turn water into wine?

 

[USAHockey97]

Wow, that's a fantastic concept. I wish I had thought of that before I posted my rational thoughts on why Krieder may be worth a gamble. Hell, let's trade for Brady Tkachuk instead.

Or let’s not add excess vets just to do something. Aim for a better draft pick then.

I agree with you, and I don't think this core's peak is that far off. This isn't the old school NHL, the league is getting younger and younger. Unfortunately this core is miles away from contending. A few conference finals would be a miracle. Toronto/TBL/FLA have a stranglehold on the division. MTL has passed us in the rebuild, I'm not sold on Ottawa but they're pretty similar to Detroit.

Maybe this team can eke out a playoff appearance in the next few years in a season where everything goes perfect, but this team is nowhere near being contenders.

Agreed. This team needs more talent. We didn’t get the lotto talent, and we didn’t find any gems in the 2nd or later rounds. We don’t have enough assets to make a big trade nor are a destination for FAs. Tough spot to be in.

Are we calling for Yzerman's head if it's let's say July 8th, no big name trades or FA signings and essentially running it back with the Yzerplugs?

I won’t but I will certainly hope he changes things up and gets much more aggressive and takes more risks. Otherwise it may feel he’s going to ride this situation until it fails.

 

[USAHockey97]

Three of these pieces have more than 90 NHL games, two have more than 103 games of experience. Edvinsson and Kasper have 1 season under their belt.

Meanwhile Connor Freakin McDavid and Leon Draisaitl missed the playoffs 3 of their first 4 seasons in the league.

Are you also expecting Yzerman to turn water into wine?

No but holding his own or outperforming other rebuilding GMs should be the goal. Obviously that still remains to be seen.

 

[SirloinUB]

No but holding his own or outperforming other rebuilding GMs should be the goal. Obviously that still remains to be seen.

I'm not entirely sold on evaluating a rebuild through that lens.

Take Ottawa as an example. The year we drafted Raymond 4th overall, they had two top 5 draft picks. They had 3x top 6 (actually top 5) draft picks in their system by the time we had 2x top 6 draft picks in our system. Shouldn't they be further along?

I'm also, not entirely against it either. Obviously we are competing against Ottawa, Buffalo, Boston, Montreal, etc for playoff spots but it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

 

[jkutswings]

I won't be

In that hypothetical, I won't be watching a single game this season. I'll get serious about fandom when the team gets serious about the product on the ice.

 

[SirloinUB]

In that hypothetical, I won't be watching a single game this season. I'll get serious about fandom when the team gets serious about the product on the ice.

You're entitled to your own opinion and time prioritization. I won't try to take that from you.

For the record I want to see moves but I'm not sure a lack of move(s) is reflective of how serious they are.

We might offer Marner 14 million but someone else might offer 15 Million. Or he might have zero interest in Detroit even if we have the largest offer.
We might Offer a 2nd and a solid prospect for Marchment. Someone else might offer a mid - late 1st and a solid prospect.
We might be readying big offers for Gavrikov or Provorov. They might resign with their current teams or maybe have no interest in Detroit.
We might offer 13th + Danielson + Ras + for Kyle Connor. Anahiem might offer 7th + Sennecke + Zegras +

Obviously all hypotheticals but if the off season unfolded like that would you say Yzerman and co. weren't serious enough?

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

(Moved to offseason rumors thread)

 

[jkutswings]

You're entitled to your own opinion and time prioritization. I won't try to take that from you.

For the record I want to see moves but I'm not sure a lack of move(s) is reflective of how serious they are.

We might offer Marner 14 million but someone else might offer 15 Million. Or he might have zero interest in Detroit even if we have the largest offer.
We might Offer a 2nd and a solid prospect for Marchment. Someone else might offer a mid - late 1st and a solid prospect.
We might be readying big offers for Gavrikov or Provorov. They might resign with their current teams or maybe have no interest in Detroit.
We might offer 13th + Danielson + Ras + for Kyle Connor. Anahiem might offer 7th + Sennecke + Zegras +

Obviously all hypotheticals but if the off season unfolded like that would you say Yzerman and co. weren't serious enough?

A fair point.

To revise my statement: I'll invest time in watching the team to the degree that it appears to be worth watching.

If Detroit turns over a dozen rocks this summer and strikes out every time, it's understandable on paper...but doesn't earn any pity points. They need to find a way to ice a better team or I'll spend my time on activities with a better ROI.

 

[Snuggs]

Are we calling for Yzerman's head if it's let's say July 8th, no big name trades or FA signings and essentially running it back with the Yzerplugs?

We'll talk TDL 2026. It's not exactly instilling confidence, but he's got the full right to mess up before actually firing him. I'm also not gonna be mad if he passes up signing ridiculous contracts.

I'd have to see how things are like who's playing, producing, etc.

 

[schuelma24]

At some point moves have to be made, and this July seems pretty much ideal to do so. 21M in cap space with no major RFA's to sign. Plenty of assets to trade. The beginnings of a young core you can build on.

I'm not making ultimatums, but I'd be incredibly disappointed if nothing significant was done (and I just don't think it's feasible, unless you think the Wings are just going to sit on a ton of cap space.)

 

[Run the Jewels]

You're entitled to your own opinion and time prioritization. I won't try to take that from you.

For the record I want to see moves but I'm not sure a lack of move(s) is reflective of how serious they are.

We might offer Marner 14 million but someone else might offer 15 Million. Or he might have zero interest in Detroit even if we have the largest offer.
We might Offer a 2nd and a solid prospect for Marchment. Someone else might offer a mid - late 1st and a solid prospect.
We might be readying big offers for Gavrikov or Provorov. They might resign with their current teams or maybe have no interest in Detroit.
We might offer 13th + Danielson + Ras + for Kyle Connor. Anahiem might offer 7th + Sennecke + Zegras +

Obviously all hypotheticals but if the off season unfolded like that would you say Yzerman and co. weren't serious enough?

It's pretty clear Yzerman attempted to trade for Trouba and thought he had a deal before JT blocked the move. Now I don't think Trouba is a Norris caliber defender or anything, but would we look better with him in our top 4? Hell yeah we would.

Yzerman keeps everything close to the vest and while I understand that, it makes it look like he's doing nothing when in fact we learned about this one potential deal due to the New York media. So regarding your hypotheticals, here's how it likely goes.

• If we miss out on Marner, we will hear nothing which suggests Yzerman didn't make an offer.
• Same deal with Marchment. We hear nothing if he isn't acquired.
• And so on and so forth.

While I respect Yzerman's approach, he's just setting himself up to get blasted on social media for 'doing nothing'. It's part of the reason why I thought it was very helpful to have McLellan at his end of season press conference: Todd will say s**t Yzerman just isn't going to share.

 

[datsyukfan]

It's pretty clear Yzerman attempted to trade for Trouba and thought he had a deal before JT blocked the move. Now I don't think Trouba is a Norris caliber defender or anything, but would we look better with him in our top 4? Hell yeah we would.

Yzerman keeps everything close to the vest and while I understand that, it makes it look like he's doing nothing when in fact we learned about this one potential deal due to the New York media. So regarding your hypotheticals, here's how it likely goes.

• If we miss out on Marner, we will hear nothing which suggests Yzerman didn't make an offer.
• Same deal with Marchment. We hear nothing if he isn't acquired.
• And so on and so forth.

While I respect Yzerman's approach, he's just setting himself up to get blasted on social media for 'doing nothing'. It's part of the reason why I thought it was very helpful to have McLellan at his end of season press conference: Todd will say s**t Yzerman just isn't going to share.

That’s unacceptable on the trouba front. You don’t dump the contract until you know you have a deal and the player is willing to come. It is actually malpractice if true and gives me even less confidence in his ability to do the job at a high level

 

[Run the Jewels]

That’s unacceptable on the trouba front. You don’t dump the contract until you know you have a deal and the player is willing to come. It is actually malpractice if true and gives me even less confidence in his ability to do the job at a high level

Chris Drury has a reputation as a clown, I wouldn't be shocked if he botched the deal by not confirming with Trouba.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Chris Drury has a reputation as a clown, I wouldn't be shocked if he botched the deal by not confirming with Trouba.

We should call him and get K Miller for pennies on the dollar.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Chris Drury has a reputation as a clown, I wouldn't be shocked if he botched the deal by not confirming with Trouba.

Your timeline I think is close to how I landed with it as well. I think there was actually two separate interactions there.

I think you are correct that Yzerman did go after Trouba and they had some framework in place and Drury went to Trouba and he did block it. I think at that point is where to press narratives came out, one from the Rags and one from Trouba's agent. The Rags story was Trouba shutdown the trade and its' hurting the Rangers, the other was 'Trouba's wife, chose the NYR, family man, wants to be here'. And then the whole thing was litigated in the public courts and forums for a few weeks.

After the season started, the Rangers had their poor start, Trouba wasn't moving from his NMC and Drury couldn't repair the deal. Thats when he threatened to do to Trouba what they did to Barclay Goodrow, the waive and acquire with SJ unless he agreed to a trade. I think Drury tried to go back to the Wings at that point in Nov Dec to see if they could still pull the trade, and Yzerman said no.

Fast forward to the interview with Trouba when he was super pissed and they asked if he would've gone to DET where he said 'I would've love to, did anyone ask them if they wanted me?" (paraphrasing).

To your point, I think there was a deal, then there wasn't a deal because of the two months of f'ing around and all of falls on Drury's shoulders for just horribly mismanaging the whole situation and alienating his captain.

 

[Frk It]

It's pretty clear Yzerman attempted to trade for Trouba and thought he had a deal before JT blocked the move. Now I don't think Trouba is a Norris caliber defender or anything, but would we look better with him in our top 4? Hell yeah we would.

Yzerman keeps everything close to the vest and while I understand that, it makes it look like he's doing nothing when in fact we learned about this one potential deal due to the New York media. So regarding your hypotheticals, here's how it likely goes.

• If we miss out on Marner, we will hear nothing which suggests Yzerman didn't make an offer.
• Same deal with Marchment. We hear nothing if he isn't acquired.
• And so on and so forth.

While I respect Yzerman's approach, he's just setting himself up to get blasted on social media for 'doing nothing'. It's part of the reason why I thought it was very helpful to have McLellan at his end of season press conference: Todd will say s**t Yzerman just isn't going to share.

How can you keep actual offers made to free agents close to the vest?

How are insiders able to report that GM's A, B, C were in on a player and not Yzerman?

Wouldn't all GM's do that if possible?

 

[datsyukfan]

Your timeline I think is close to how I landed with it as well. I think there was actually two separate interactions there.

I think you are correct that Yzerman did go after Trouba and they had some framework in place and Drury went to Trouba and he did block it. I think at that point is where to press narratives came out, one from the Rags and one from Trouba's agent. The Rags story was Trouba shutdown the trade and its' hurting the Rangers, the other was 'Trouba's wife, chose the NYR, family man, wants to be here'. And then the whole thing was litigated in the public courts and forums for a few weeks.

After the season started, the Rangers had their poor start, Trouba wasn't moving from his NMC and Drury couldn't repair the deal. Thats when he threatened to do to Trouba what they did to Barclay Goodrow, the waive and acquire with SJ unless he agreed to a trade. I think Drury tried to go back to the Wings at that point in Nov Dec to see if they could still pull the trade, and Yzerman said no.

Fast forward to the interview with Trouba when he was super pissed and they asked if he would've gone to DET where he said 'I would've love to, did anyone ask them if they wanted me?" (paraphrasing).

To your point, I think there was a deal, then there wasn't a deal because of the two months of f'ing around and all of falls on Drury's shoulders for just horribly mismanaging the whole situation and alienating his captain.

Moving walman with a 2nd for nothing to do the trouba deal falls squarely on yzerman. You don’t do the deal until you know the player has signed off on waiving his no trade clause. Complete bonehead decision by yzerman if this is what happened

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Moving walman with a 2nd for nothing to do the trouba deal falls squarely on yzerman. You don’t do the deal until you know the player has signed off on waiving his no trade clause. Complete bonehead decision by yzerman if this is what happened

Oh! I wasn't tracking that this was tied back to Walman. I was more pointing out I think there was a deal and then there wasn't. If I knew this was a Walman thing, I wouldn't have waded into this. TOK out!

 

[jkutswings]

Your timeline I think is close to how I landed with it as well. I think there was actually two separate interactions there.

I think you are correct that Yzerman did go after Trouba and they had some framework in place and Drury went to Trouba and he did block it. I think at that point is where to press narratives came out, one from the Rags and one from Trouba's agent. The Rags story was Trouba shutdown the trade and its' hurting the Rangers, the other was 'Trouba's wife, chose the NYR, family man, wants to be here'. And then the whole thing was litigated in the public courts and forums for a few weeks.

After the season started, the Rangers had their poor start, Trouba wasn't moving from his NMC and Drury couldn't repair the deal. Thats when he threatened to do to Trouba what they did to Barclay Goodrow, the waive and acquire with SJ unless he agreed to a trade. I think Drury tried to go back to the Wings at that point in Nov Dec to see if they could still pull the trade, and Yzerman said no.

Fast forward to the interview with Trouba when he was super pissed and they asked if he would've gone to DET where he said 'I would've love to, did anyone ask them if they wanted me?" (paraphrasing).

To your point, I think there was a deal, then there wasn't a deal because of the two months of f'ing around and all of falls on Drury's shoulders for just horribly mismanaging the whole situation and alienating his captain.

I think you probably have an accurate take on how things unfolded.

I'm just glad the trade didn't happen. I think at best Trouba would have been Chiarot 2.0 here. At worst he's yet another boat anchor contract that can't go away soon enough.

Hopefully this summer is productive. A defenseman that can actually play defense and a top six forward would make a big difference (in conjunction with another kid or two being brought up).

 

[USAHockey97]

I'm not entirely sold on evaluating a rebuild through that lens.

Take Ottawa as an example. The year we drafted Raymond 4th overall, they had two top 5 draft picks. They had 3x top 6 (actually top 5) draft picks in their system by the time we had 2x top 6 draft picks in our system. Shouldn't they be further along?

I'm also, not entirely against it either. Obviously we are competing against Ottawa, Buffalo, Boston, Montreal, etc for playoff spots but it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

That’s fair. It should be a point of reference not THE point to judge by.

 

[Run the Jewels]

How can you keep actual offers made to free agents close to the vest?

How are insiders able to report that GM's A, B, C were in on a player and not Yzerman?

Wouldn't all GM's do that if possible?

All I know is Yzerman isn't going to share anything. There were suggestions we were in on Noah Hanafin before the trade deadline, but I couldn't find a single legit source, all of the links were to sites that peddle trade rumors. We knew about the pursuit of Trouba mostly from the NY side, not anything the Detroit beat reporters were covering. Then Trouba had to come out and explain why he blocked the trade.

 

[heyfolks]

NEEDS:
Scoring up front
Hard to play against forward
Defense
Netminder




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My criteria:

Must be under (unless a goaltender)
Must be consistent in past play
No injury riddled history


Marner - Too much money. The Wings need A LOT of talent, not one player. For me, he is a hard pass.

#1) Ekblad - From Ontario and the Panthers just traded for Seth Kones, RD, as insurance if he walks.
#1a) Bennett - A mercurial rise in his stock may make him go from 4-9M per, and it appears the Leafs are after him. He may also want to stay in Florida at 7M per. I still make a run at him, but he appears to be a tougher signing.

Defense back up plan
1) Provorov
2) Gavrikov (all reports suggest he re-signs in LA)

Foward back up plan
1) Ehlers
2) Boeser- I really don't like his attitude and the cloud around him, but he may come at a price that works.
3) Marner .... hahahaha



Netminder

Not going to happen. Cossa will get a shot.


TRADES - I just don't see the Wings having enough assets for a big trade. They would have to be lookin at moving ASP and Nate Danielson. I doubt they move MBN, but these are the 3 in the mix. I am leaving Kasper off this list. After this past season, I think he is untouchable.

 

[datsyukfan]

NEEDS:
Scoring up front
Hard to play against forward
Defense
Netminder




Ranking the Top 10 NHL Free Agents in 2025

• Mitch Marner. Team: Toronto Maple Leafs. ...
• Sam Bennett. Team: Florida Panthers. ...
• Nikolaj Ehlers. Team: Winnipeg Jets. ...
• Aaron Ekblad. Team: Florida Panthers. ...
• John Tavares. Team: Toronto Maple Leafs. ...
• Brock Nelson. Team: Colorado Avalanche. ...
• Vladislav Gavrikov. Team: Los Angeles Kings. ...

Ranking the Top 10 NHL Free Agents in 2025

Coming off a career-high 102 points, Toronto Maple Leafs star winger Mitch Marner is unquestionably the crown jewel of the 2025 UFA class.

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Sports net CA top 12

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Even with franchise studs and key support players signing pocket-padding extensions, the NHL’s 2025 UFA class is still intriguing. Luke Fox has the latest buzz.

www.sportsnet.ca

My criteria:

Must be under (unless a goaltender)
Must be consistent in past play
No injury riddled history


Marner - Too much money. The Wings need A LOT of talent, not one player. For me, he is a hard pass.

#1) Ekblad - From Ontario and the Panthers just traded for Seth Kones, RD, as insurance if he walks.
#1a) Bennett - A mercurial rise in his stock may make him go from 4-9M per, and it appears the Leafs are after him. He may also want to stay in Florida at 7M per. I still make a run at him, but he appears to be a tougher signing.

Defense back up plan
1) Provorov
2) Gavrikov (all reports suggest he re-signs in LA)

Foward back up plan
1) Ehlers
2) Boeser- I really don't like his attitude and the cloud around him, but he may come at a price that works.
3) Marner .... hahahaha



Netminder

Not going to happen. Cossa will get a shot.


TRADES - I just don't see the Wings having enough assets for a big trade. They would have to be lookin at moving ASP and Nate Danielson. I doubt they move MBN, but these are the 3 in the mix. I am leaving Kasper off this list. After this past season, I think he is untouchable.

I disagree on the Marner thing. Maybe Detroit needs more talent on the next year front but what they really need is a superstar and again other than paying a king ransom in assets they are never going to find it.

They have a tun of kids up front that are very close: Danielson, Mazur, MBN, Lombardi,soderblom,buch, and I’m sure there are a few more. They have the depth that’s very very close that I could say even 3 or 4 of these guys could be solid to great bottom 6 guys starting next year if Detroit wanted to fast track them.

They need a star period and this is basically an extreme rare time when a 100 point player is available for just money, you go out and you get him, figure the rest out later. Get creative;get off contract like Holl,Tank,Gus (everyone else has no issue doing it why can’t yzerman)

 

[FMichael]

I disagree on the Marner thing. Maybe Detroit needs more talent on the next year front but what they really need is a superstar and again other than paying a king ransom in assets they are never going to find it.

They have a tun of kids up front that are very close: Danielson, Mazur, MBN, Lombardi,soderblom,buch, and I’m sure there are a few more. They have the depth that’s very very close that I could say even 3 or 4 of these guys could be solid to great bottom 6 guys starting next year if Detroit wanted to fast track them.

They need a star period and this is basically an extreme rare time when a 100 point player is available for just money, you go out and you get him, figure the rest out later. Get creative;get off contract like Holl,Tank,Gus (everyone else has no issue doing it why can’t yzerman)

Agreed…Marner would help us have a shot at the playoffs.

 

[Frk It]

All I know is Yzerman isn't going to share anything. There were suggestions we were in on Noah Hanafin before the trade deadline, but I couldn't find a single legit source, all of the links were to sites that peddle trade rumors. We knew about the pursuit of Trouba mostly from the NY side, not anything the Detroit beat reporters were covering. Then Trouba had to come out and explain why he blocked the trade.

Idk, I think it’s more likely if it’s not reported we were in on a player than we probably just weren’t.

We heard about us almost trading for Carlo, trying to trade for Trouba, offering Stamkos, etc.

So do you really think we made stealthy offers to guys like Pesce, Montour, or Roy last summer without anyone reporting on it?

I think it’s more likely we just weren’t… for whatever reason. (Probably cost)