Your Rebuild Opinion? Next Move Coming?

[Rzombo4 prez]

If 13th alone doesn’t get it done I’m not interested.

Byram apparently wants a bigger role. He’s not replacing Seider on the PP. and he’s not likely to replace ASP when ASP comes here.

I like Byram but it probably isn’t a good fit.

I appreciate that he may not be totally optimal given the roster construction at this very moment, but I am really having a hard time understanding why fans are thumbing their nose at Byram. He is more than adequate defensively and brings more in terms of puck movement and offense than 5/6 of our blueline. Is he a perfect "stay at home" partner for Seider? No, but I am also not sure that is exactly what we need.

People have become too wed to Gavrikov and the idea of Gavrikov. I would love to sign him, but I don't think he is the only path forward to improving our defense given its current state. I also think we have more control over the acquisition of Byram than Gavrikov and that he would have far more trade value if we needed to move him a couple of years from now for some better fit at that time.

 

[newfy]

The wings signing Tralmaks then looking hard at Comtois makes me believe Yzerman is looking for a lot more size this upcoming season.

Call me crazy but I’m really hoping for a trade for Marchment and/or signing Bennett. Both give the wings physical forwards with an edge that can score 50 points.

We need a solid top 4 defender to pair with Seider. If not Gavrikov and Hague who is a physical minute muncher we could sign or trade for?

He's definitely looking for more size. He said in a presser around the deadline I think it was that fighting and basically big boy hockey is making a comeback and Detroit needs to toughen up. He almost landed Carlo at the deadline.

He'll be all over Gavrikov I'm sure this summer who is 6'3 220. But outside of him, Bennet is obviously going to be a target for every team in the league. I could see Yzerman being a big fan of Trent Frederic or Jeannot too. Add both those guys, one on your third line, one on your fourth. All of a sudden Detroit is really tough and big

 

[RedHawkDown]

I don't think we can get Byram without giving up Kasper+. I don't see the point. I would rather sign a dependable free agent. We will have Edvinsson/Seider/ASP as young D in our core - we don't need to add a 4th. It's an unnecessary luxury that will cost us Kasper at the very least, we dont have very many good young forwards.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I don't think we can get Byram without giving up Kasper+. I don't see the point. I would rather sign a dependable free agent. We will have Edvinsson/Seider/ASP as young D in our core - we don't need to add a 4th. It's an unnecessary luxury that will cost us Kasper at the very least, we dont have very many good young forwards.

How is Byram worth alone Kasper period? Explain this? He hasn't done anything in the NHL and is frequently hurt...

 

[DoMakc]

I don't think we can get Byram without giving up Kasper+. I don't see the point. I would rather sign a dependable free agent. We will have Edvinsson/Seider/ASP as young D in our core - we don't need to add a 4th. It's an unnecessary luxury that will cost us Kasper at the very least, we dont have very many good young forwards.

There is no way Byram's value is Kasper+. Kasper alone should cost Byram+ at this point.

 

[datsyukfan]

He's definitely looking for more size. He said in a presser around the deadline I think it was that fighting and basically big boy hockey is making a comeback and Detroit needs to toughen up. He almost landed Carlo at the deadline.

He'll be all over Gavrikov I'm sure this summer who is 6'3 220. But outside of him, Bennet is obviously going to be a target for every team in the league. I could see Yzerman being a big fan of Trent Frederic or Jeannot too. Add both those guys, one on your third line, one on your fourth. All of a sudden Detroit is really tough and big

Who says he almost landed Carlo?

 

[19 for president]

I think I'd prioritize a vet on the back end vs another young top 4. I really think this team needs a stablizing player back there. I like Byram but I don't feel the need unless we are dealing one of ASP/Ed/Seider to land that young franchise forward.

We need someone that be the calm head back there when we might have an incredibly young D from top to bottom soon. Antjo/Wally/Buium on top top of Aljo/Seider/Ed/ASP.

At forward we have guys like Larkin/ DBC/ Copp/ Kane to help transition our young forwards but all our vet D play hot potato hockey. A late 20s / early 30s Petry would have been solid, but he is obviously not that guy anymore. Chia is a decent 3rd pair guy but not good enough to play in the top 4 consistently. Gus is a #6 at best and Holl should be in the AHL. Mac needs his guy that when this young team gets fluster or penned into the D zone that can get out there and make the easy out.

 

[SirloinUB]

Who says he almost landed Carlo?

I don't know how close it actually got but Tony Wolak reported the red wings were trying to get him at the TDL.

From everything I heard, Yzerman and the Red Wings were very active in the days leading up to the trade deadline.

According to a source, the Red Wings had deep conversations with the Boston Bruins about defenseman Brandon Carlo. Ultimately, the Bruins opted to hold out for a better deal, and got one from the Toronto Maple Leafs. Ultimately, Detroit got outbid.

 

[Winger98]

Who says he almost landed Carlo?

I don't remember who reported it but it was mentioned at the deadline when Toronto dealt for him that we almost had Boston convinced about a week earlier but they decided to wait until the TDL to see if they could get more.

 

[RedHawkDown]

You can go look at the Byram thread if you don’t believe me. People are offering plenty of good assets for Byram lol.

If we can get him for lesser prospects and Compher/Ras etc then sure but I don’t see that happening.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

You can go look at the Byram thread if you don’t believe me. People are offering plenty of good assets for Byram lol.

If we can get him for lesser prospects and Compher/Ras etc then sure but I don’t see that happening.

Remember:

Byram is young, RFA, and has had multiple head injuries.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I think I'd prioritize a vet on the back end vs another young top 4. I really think this team needs a stablizing player back there. I like Byram but I don't feel the need unless we are dealing one of ASP/Ed/Seider to land that young franchise forward.

We need someone that be the calm head back there when we might have an incredibly young D from top to bottom soon. Antjo/Wally/Buium on top top of Aljo/Seider/Ed/ASP.

At forward we have guys like Larkin/ DBC/ Copp/ Kane to help transition our young forwards but all our vet D play hot potato hockey. A late 20s / early 30s Petry would have been solid, but he is obviously not that guy anymore. Chia is a decent 3rd pair guy but not good enough to play in the top 4 consistently. Gus is a #6 at best and Holl should be in the AHL. Mac needs his guy that when this young team gets fluster or penned into the D zone that can get out there and make the easy out.

Names?

Also, are you just looking to get a vet to get us into the playoffs or are you looking for someone who will still be around when we become cup competitive?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I appreciate that he may not be totally optimal given the roster construction at this very moment, but I am really having a hard time understanding why fans are thumbing their nose at Byram. He is more than adequate defensively and brings more in terms of puck movement and offense than 5/6 of our blueline. Is he a perfect "stay at home" partner for Seider? No, but I am also not sure that is exactly what we need.

People have become too wed to Gavrikov and the idea of Gavrikov. I would love to sign him, but I don't think he is the only path forward to improving our defense given its current state. I also think we have more control over the acquisition of Byram than Gavrikov and that he would have far more trade value if we needed to move him a couple of years from now for some better fit at that time.

I’m not necessarily thumbing my nose at him. If the thought is ASP isn’t ready then he’s a great fit. My concern with Byram is we’re talking about moving on from him 2 seasons from now to give ASP a bigger role. I’ve talked about moving #13 for him for a while and still think that’s fair cost. I would just rather have Gavrikov because his role would be more defined.

 

[KJoe88]

If 13th alone doesn’t get it done I’m not interested.

Byram apparently wants a bigger role. He’s not replacing Seider on the PP. and he’s not likely to replace ASP when ASP comes here.

I like Byram but it probably isn’t a good fit.

ASP hasn’t played a SINGLE NHL game yet and had a miserable GR playoff run. He needs a WHILE to even be on Bryan’s level let alone him being in a more competitive role.

Also:

This obsession with Bennett needs to stop. He’s propped up by Florida. How do some of you guys not see that?

 

[jkutswings]

Names?

Also, are you just looking to get a vet to get us into the playoffs or are you looking for someone who will still be around when we become cup competitive?

1) If at this point Yzerman is still expecting more than a 2-3 year difference between making the playoffs and becoming Cup competitive, Larkin and Debrincat should be traded now and the rebuild should be rebuilt. So barring that scenario, adding a good player(s) on a 5-6 year deal is compatible with both team goals, as long as said player(s) aren't completely cratering during the last couple years of the deal.

2) On defense, any of Gavrikov, Romanov, Dobson, Provorov, Byram, Hague, Fabbro (depending on whether Detroit is willing to offer sheet anybody). On offense, either Ehlers or Boeser would be a big help - I'm sure there are other options that slip my mind at the moment.

So of those 9-10 guys, maybe half never make it to July 1. Of the 5 remaining, maybe 2-3 have no interest in Detroit to cut the population in half again. That still leaves 1-2 good options if Detroit is willing to pony up.

 

[19 for president]

Names?

Also, are you just looking to get a vet to get us into the playoffs or are you looking for someone who will still be around when we become cup competitive

UFA I'd be interested in LD Provorov and Gavrikov. If we are trading I'm more looking for a guy in the 3 to 5 year range. Pelech/ Zadaraov/ Lindholm seemed intriguing and are no teams I could see pushing into rebuilds. I really like our young D core in Seider/Ed/ASP, even if ASP ends up more of a true sheltered offensive dman vs. a Hughes/Makar/Fox lite guy. I like Aljo in that fill in on both sides role, ideally bottom pair but can step up role. I also think Buium and Antjo could potentially make the team long term. I don't think Wallinder ends up on the Wings long term.

Mid 20s guys I'd be interested in are Romanov (25) and Fabbro (26). If we got one of them I'd probably look into a vet for the 3rd pair for a year or two as well. Again I just have concerns running like an entirely early 20s something top 6. I don't love Chia in that role because I want a safer guy, especially if run ASP or Antjo as that bottom pair guy with him.

I'm looking for someone that will ideally let Seider be able to actually jump into plays, and can be big time PK guy. I'm good with letting Aljo pair with Ed again next year, I like their chemistry. Then probably moving ASP into the role the year after. I think its going to take ASP a bit of time to adjust to the smaller ice surface and having less time/space. I would probably make him the 3rd pair RHD next year unless he is totally overmatched.

My biggest concern is having that solid guy for say the next 3 years. Seider is 26/27 and Ed is 25/26 then and I feel like at that point they are true leaders on this team and should be able to be the stabilizing force on defense. I think Seider has had a little too much put on him to anchor this D and face insane quality of competition, and has had to somewhat stray from his game because of it. I want someone to help take the pressure off a bit and let our young guys really develop into the players they are meant to be vs. being forced into roles that don't completely suit their games.

 

[newfy]

Who says he almost landed Carlo?

It was talked about shortly after the deadline that the wings were the high bid, but Toronto kinda came in last minute and grabbed him.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

1) If at this point Yzerman is still expecting more than a 2-3 year difference between making the playoffs and becoming Cup competitive, Larkin and Debrincat should be traded now and the rebuild should be rebuilt. So barring that scenario, adding a good player(s) on a 5-6 year deal is compatible with both team goals, as long as said player(s) aren't completely cratering during the last couple years of the deal.

2) On defense, any of Gavrikov, Romanov, Dobson, Provorov, Byram, Hague, Fabbro (depending on whether Detroit is willing to offer sheet anybody). On offense, either Ehlers or Boeser would be a big help - I'm sure there are other options that slip my mind at the moment.

So of those 9-10 guys, maybe half never make it to July 1. Of the 5 remaining, maybe 2-3 have no interest in Detroit to cut the population in half again. That still leaves 1-2 good options if Detroit is willing to pony up.

I don't know, I feel like the playoffs are very attainable, but that being cup competitive is still a ways off.
I appreciate you offering up some names.

 

[jkutswings]

I don't know, I feel like the playoffs are very attainable, but that being cup competitive is still a ways off.
I appreciate you offering up some names.

Fair.

In the next 2 years I expect:
* All of Mazur, ASP, Danielson, Cossa, MBN, and Buchelnikov to be on the roster.
* Seider and Raymond to be hitting their prime, with Edvinsson and Kasper not far behind.
* At least 1-2 significant trades or free agent additions to supplement the above.

If Detroit still has a ways to go from there to contend, it feels like somebody busted or something broke down along the way. The next 24 months should really kick this thing forward a few notches, to make the playoffs in 2026 and get dangerous by 2028.

 

[KJoe88]

Fair.

In the next 2 years I expect:
* All of Mazur, ASP, Danielson, Cossa, MBN, and Buchelnikov to be on the roster.
* Seider and Raymond to be hitting their prime, with Edvinsson and Kasper not far behind.
* At least 1-2 significant trades or free agent additions to supplement the above.

If Detroit still has a ways to go from there to contend, it feels like somebody busted or something broke down along the way. The next 24 months should really kick this thing forward a few notches, to make the playoffs in 2026 and get dangerous by 2028.

100 percent.

It feels like we’re behind schedule if I’m being honest. I understand we didn’t get a top three pick but I do feel like we got a top two player in Raymond. I feel like he’s right on the edge of being a legit superstar. He’s really right there.

Last season should’ve gone much better due to the season prior being so damn close.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't know, I feel like the playoffs are very attainable, but that being cup competitive is still a ways off.
I appreciate you offering up some names.

I don’t think anyone else is jumping into the cup-competitive conversation for another 5 years.

In my opinion, here’s the best 8 teams in the league:
Florida has prime Barkov, Forsling, Verhaeghe, Reinhart and Tkachuk. Plus those guys are pretty well locked in. They’ll have money to upgrade elsewhere when they need to. I’d say 5-7 more years of them being great.

Edmonton has Draisaitl locked in, and I wouldn’t be shocked if McDavid retires there as a 20 million dollar man. They’ll contend with those two at least another 5 years.

Dallas is the deepest team in the league and their best players are just entering or currently in their prime. 5-7 years for them near the top.

New Jersey is a goalie and a healthy Jack Hughes away from being the team to beat in their division. And I’d bet good money Quinn joins him next year sometime.

Colorado just needs another season and they’ll be able to spend big on help for Mackinnon and Makar. In 2026 they will have the money to really beef up their depth, and then I’m expecting another 4+ solid years.

Carolina probably has another 3 years as the top dog in their division. Defense and goaltending will hurt them as their big guys age out, but Nikishin might be the next Seider, so who knows?

Washington has retooled on the fly. While they’re not a true contender I can see them around the 100 point mark for the near future. Even after Ovie retires.

Tampa has a few more kicks at the can as their stars are finally beyond 30. Maybe 3-4 more years for them but I wouldn’t put it past Brisbois to make strong trades and solid free agent signings to keep them afloat longer.

I don’t think the 2020s are going to be our decade. I don’t think Yzerman is aggressive enough to change that. And as good as our prospect pool is, I worry it won’t be good enough to match the next wave from 2023 onward.

 

[jkutswings]

I don’t think the 2020s are going to be our decade. I don’t think Yzerman is aggressive enough to change that. And as good as our prospect pool is, I worry it won’t be good enough to match the next wave from 2023 onward.

There are always a handful of very good teams. With the top picks they're collecting now, what's stopping a Chicago or San Jose from being dominant by 2030? If the strategy is to keep waiting as long as there are multiple championship caliber opponents, Detroit will never stop waiting.

 

[lilidk]

Larkin just got a girl , congratulations

 

[deca guard]

the most important move is making sure to have the future cap space for signing edvinsson n kasper , nothing else is more important cuz we aint winnin no cup for a few years . in a few years from now is when your looking to make a ufa splash

for now its just more plugging hole short term contracts like nelson n orlov . yes this will put the cry babys on full pout , but come 2028/29 and a decade long dynasty begins theyll get to shake their rattles all day

* DONT PANIC YZERMAN , LET THE CRY BABYS TANTRUM

 

[Pavels Dog]

the most important move is making sure to have the future cap space for signing edvinsson n kasper , nothing else is more important cuz we aint winnin no cup for a few years . in a few years from now is when your looking to make a ufa splash

Cap space won’t be an issue unless Kasper pops off for 80+ points and Edvinsson wins the Norris.