Get use to it. Sutter is the same as he was in Calgary. Prefers vets over rookies. This will never change. Doesn't matter if the kid can score, he'll play grinders over goal scorers.
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damacles1156
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That's not true, Jeff Carter plays plenty. Also just about every coach in the NHL prefers Vets over rookies. Kopitar is not some grinder, neither is Justin Williams...
They are Vets(and still in the NHL) playing over Rookies, for a reason....
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HYORI 1963
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That's pretty obvious. All you have to do is look at our 3rd line. We basically have the same 4 (Clifford, King, Stoll and Lewis) that played our 3rd line from last year. I don't see a whole lot of improvement there.
If Pearson can't replace a grinder like Clifford and TT can't replace a Lewis, yeah, you can definitely say that Sutter prefers grinders over scorers.
If we're going to contend for the cup, we ain't going to do it with Clifford/King-Stoll-Lewis as our 3rd line, that's for sure.
Frattin/ Kopitar/ Toffoli
Clifford/ Richards/Williams
Brown/ Carter/ Vey
Carcillo/ Lewis/ Nolan
Regehr Doughty
Mitchell Voynov
Muzzin Greene
King, Fraser, Martinez, Ellerby
Which ever line is playing the best, gets the most ice time game by game. Kopitar and Richards can check the other teams top lines. Trade Stoll.
Clifford/ Richards/Williams
Brown/ Carter/ Vey
Carcillo/ Lewis/ Nolan
Regehr Doughty
Mitchell Voynov
Muzzin Greene
King, Fraser, Martinez, Ellerby
Which ever line is playing the best, gets the most ice time game by game. Kopitar and Richards can check the other teams top lines. Trade Stoll.
Ziggy Stardust
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He seemed to have trust in some rookies when he had the likes of Voynov, King and Nolan in the lineup during the Cup run. What sense does it make to have a scorer in a checking role if he doesn't check?
Puck U
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Hmmm ?
is that so ? 
you don't say ? ... then ummm,... who was our 3rd line when we WON the Stanley cup in 2012 again ? http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1205611
and who was our 3rd line when we went to the Conference Finals again in 2013 ? http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1443595
OH YEAH ... these guys !
Don't get me wrong I understand your point, and even tend to agree with you to a degree, I'd like to maybe see Pearson / Stoll / Toffoli as a 3rd line and Clifford-King / Lewis-Fraser / Nolan as our 4th line, but to say we CAN'T compete with Clifford/King-Stoll-Lewis as our 3rd line FOR SURE ... is ... well ... JUST WRONG ! because we have, and we've WON a cup with them as our 3rd line already.
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Ziggy Stardust
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The acquisition of Frattin plus forcing Toffoli to play out of his natural position are probably the two biggest reasons as to why the Kings are sending Toffoli back to Manchester, where he could be allowed to play top six minutes, learn to be a leader, and continue to play his natural position.
It's a waste of his talents to have him on the 3rd line and that third line RW spot is tailor made for Trevor Lewis (who I expect to make more of a contribution to the team this season) and the 4th line role is better filled by a hard hitting forward like Jordan Nolan. Hence, no room for Toffoli on the Kings until a top six forward goes down.
HYORI 1963
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Hmmm ?
... who was our 3rd line when we WON the Stanley cup in 2012 again ? http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1205611
and who was our 3rd line when we went to the Conference Finals again in 2013 ? http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1443595
OH YEAH ... these guys !
Don't get me wrong I understand your point, and even tend to agree with you to a degree, I'd like to maybe see Pearson / Stoll / Toffoli as a 3rd line and Clifford-King / Lewis-Fraser / Nolan as our 4th line, but to say we CAN'T compete with Clifford/King-Stoll-Lewis as our 3rd line FOR SURE ... is ... well ... JUST WRONG ! because we have, and we've WON a cup with them as our 3rd line already.
I do agree with your points in which you agree with me.
Other than that, someone should deprive of you of all your emoticons.
Puck U
2012 SC CHAMPIONS !
I do agree with your points in which you agree with me.
Other than that, someone should deprive of you of all your emoticons.
I only used 4 ... YOU used SIX !
HYORI 1963
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etherialone
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We are a team that is built for the playoffs.
King is 6'3" 234 lbs
Nolan is 6'3" 222lbs
Kyle Clifford is 6'1" 211lbs
Jarret Stoll is 6'1" 213 lbs
Trevor Lewis is 6'1 199lbs
Colin Fraser is 6'1" 195lbs
Daniel Carcillo is 6'o" 207lbs.
Our bottom 6 is giant and heavy. They are really hard to play against and over a 7 games series simply beat down our opponents.
That said going into the playoffs I see us having a more experienced and developed Toffi and Pearson who will be ready to step in and provide spark/offence if needed and that we will end up being fine as a result.
King is 6'3" 234 lbs
Nolan is 6'3" 222lbs
Kyle Clifford is 6'1" 211lbs
Jarret Stoll is 6'1" 213 lbs
Trevor Lewis is 6'1 199lbs
Colin Fraser is 6'1" 195lbs
Daniel Carcillo is 6'o" 207lbs.
Our bottom 6 is giant and heavy. They are really hard to play against and over a 7 games series simply beat down our opponents.
That said going into the playoffs I see us having a more experienced and developed Toffi and Pearson who will be ready to step in and provide spark/offence if needed and that we will end up being fine as a result.
KingsHockey24
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I feel that Clifford, King, and Lewis will all have at least 10-15 goal seasons this year so I dont fear lack of production from the bottom six.
Ziggy Stardust
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I think that's a very realistic expectation from those three. Clifford had 7 in 48, Lewis 5 in 48, and King 4 in 47. I think they could produce more given a full season and should hit the ranges you penciled them in for.
The season prior Clifford scored 5 in 81, King scored 5 in 27, and Lewis only netted 3 in 72. They'll be better players this coming season and the bottom six should produce better numbers, as should the top six.
HYORI 1963
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I do find it interesting that you picked 3 guys who have never scored 10 goals in a single season, but yet, you leave out Stoll, who has scored 20+ goals in two seasons.
Kurri???
Whiskeypete
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i will be happy if we see all three with 10-20 pts overall. that would be an improvement which would result in enough extra offense to win us a few games.
KingsHockey24
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Bleh, I think that Stoll will have another down season in regards to point production but he will be an effective locker room,PK,Faceoff type of guy. I'de be happy with 10 goals from Stoll this year; really not expecting much point wise.
I do find it interesting that you picked 3 guys who have never scored 10 goals in a single season, but yet, you leave out Stoll, who has scored 20+ goals in two seasons.
Kurri???
