Speculation: 2024-2025 General Lightning Discussion II: "Atlanticly" challenged

[Rschmitz]

Chaffee-Geekie-Cuylee

Chaff-E Geek-E Cool-E

 

[DFC]

We have Brock Boeser at home and his name is Nick Paul. Aside from last season, Boeser is a 20-30 goal guy. We have a 20 goal guy in Paul at a 3M cap hit locked up for another 4 or 5 years. Why get bogged down with another sizable contract? Move Paul up or find another middle six winger so him, Paul and Geekie can see top 6. We need to fix the bottom six. Nobody fears our depth. Our depth was a huge factor from 20-22. Nobody looks at Girgensons, Glendening, Ace, Geekie, and Chaffee and thinks shit, that team is deep.

Adding a top 6 player is the best way to fix our bottom six because it moves a good player down.

I'm not sold on Boeser either, but a good 2RW upgrades two positions at once.

I'd rather have someone better than Paul, and Geekie isn't ready, or at least consistent enough.

 

[JTBF81]

If Tampa wants to overpay for a young RFA with upside, I'd go after Tyson Foerster from Philly over anyone else. Him being right handed is also a bonus given Tampa's lack of them. I'd still prefer a more established player for 2RW l (show me Bjorkstrand please), but if JBB is looking for another Hagel esque move, he'd be my top target.

 

[Zwui21]

If Tampa wants to overpay for a young RFA with upside, I'd go after Tyson Foerster from Philly over anyone else. Him being right handed is also a bonus given Tampa's lack of them. I'd still prefer a more established player for 2RW l (show me Bjorkstrand please), but if JBB is looking for another Hagel esque move, he'd be my top target.

That would be a very intriguing and JBBlike target.
Would also be under cost controlled contract for a few more years, leaving quite a bit of cap space to use on other trades UFAs this summer.

 

[Stammertime91]

Adding a top 6 player is the best way to fix our bottom six because it moves a good player down.

I'm not sold on Boeser either, but a good 2RW upgrades two positions at once.

I'd rather have someone better than Paul, and Geekie isn't ready, or at least consistent enough.

Thats fair but I don't want it to be Boeser. He's going to make more than Hagel on the next contract and I think Hagel is twice the player. No thanks. I'd like to see us land a top 6 forward but realistically I don't think that's going to happen. Just my opinion. I think we'll focus on defense and expect one of Howard, Geekie, or Paul to fill that void. Even Chaffee will find the opportunity. The biggest gap in the roster is the sharp drop off between the top half (Paul included) vs the bottom half forward group. I think fixing the bottom six is more pressing since we are fine with GPG and have survived "one line" runs in the past.

TLDR, agreed but no to Boeser. Bottom 6 quick fix, top 6 RW windows 11 update.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

We don't need more big money forwards, we need guys on bounceback deals, RFA deals, and depth guys.

 

[Point21]

was looking at some armchair GMs and saw a trade that peaked my interest.

TB Trades: Geekie and Sheary

VAN Trades: Boeser 50% retained and the Dman Pettersson

adds a dominate right handed shot who is only 27 but is a UFA at the end of the year. and we also get a 20 year old D prospect that is physical but also strong in his own end. also moves out the Sheary contract but lose Geekie in the process

 

[Soul Assumption]

was looking at some armchair GMs and saw a trade that peaked my interest.

TB Trades: Geekie and Sheary

VAN Trades: Boeser 50% retained and the Dman Pettersson

adds a dominate right handed shot who is only 27 but is a UFA at the end of the year. and we also get a 20 year old D prospect that is physical but also strong in his own end. also moves out the Sheary contract but lose Geekie in the process

Geekie for rental + much worse prospect? No thanks

 

[Todd1a]

We don't need more big money forwards, we need guys on bounceback deals, RFA deals, and depth guys.

At least two of them we need

was looking at some armchair GMs and saw a trade that peaked my interest.

TB Trades: Geekie and Sheary

VAN Trades: Boeser 50% retained and the Dman Pettersson

adds a dominate right handed shot who is only 27 but is a UFA at the end of the year. and we also get a 20 year old D prospect that is physical but also strong in his own end. also moves out the Sheary contract but lose Geekie in the process

Geekie is too important to keep we need every young forward we can get we don’t have many left

 

[Rschmitz]

was looking at some armchair GMs and saw a trade that peaked my interest.

TB Trades: Geekie and Sheary

VAN Trades: Boeser 50% retained and the Dman Pettersson

adds a dominate right handed shot who is only 27 but is a UFA at the end of the year. and we also get a 20 year old D prospect that is physical but also strong in his own end. also moves out the Sheary contract but lose Geekie in the process

If we are trading Geekie, I want a much better return than Boeser

 

[Zwui21]

We don't need more big money forwards, we need guys on bounceback deals, RFA deals, and depth guys.

We need more quality forward, no matter how we get them and how much their cap hit is. We'll have 15M to spend this offseason, all cards are on the table

 

[These Are The Days]

We need more quality forward, no matter how we get them and how much their cap hit is. We'll have 15M to spend this offseason, all cards are on the table

The best thing we can do is not be too impulsive and use it all in one shot. I completely agree with everyone here that we need to blow this pile sky high. I wanna say it was @DFC who said it but we need a player or 2 who can push the likes of Geekie and Ace into a 3rd line roles where they belong. Another $9 million guy isn't gonna fix our problems. But a couple guys who can plug in and play with guys like Cirelli/Hagel and Point/Kucherov the way we used to with Gourde WILL

I'm all for getting a guy like Kreider or a high IQ vet like Marchand too but I am very open to all options of improving the team

 

[DFC]

The best thing we can do is not be too impulsive and use it all in one shot. I completely agree with everyone here that we need to blow this pile sky high. I wanna say it was @DFC who said it but we need a player or 2 who can push the likes of Geekie and Ace into a 3rd line roles where they belong. Another $9 million guy isn't gonna fix our problems. But a couple guys who can plug in and play with guys like Cirelli/Hagel and Point/Kucherov the way we used to with Gourde WILL

I'm all for getting a guy like Kreider or a high IQ vet like Marchand too but I am very open to all options of improving the team

The right $9m guy fixes a whole lot of problems.

We probably need a forward and a defenseman. It's tough to know what our D is because Moser is a game changer. I'd like to bring in a solid RHD (nothing too shiny) and move Moser back to the left to make sure either Hedman, Moser, or McDonagh is on the ice at all times. Whatever's left I would use on a right winger who can play line 2, even if it costs us, thus pushing Paul and Geekie down more permanently.

We have depth guys. Problem is at least one of them is always playing too high in the line up.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I want Isaac Howard in our middle 6 at the end of the season. Not necessarily in the playoffs, but just give him a shot with Cirelli and Hagel to see what he can do. Those guys insulate him defensively, he is the perfect finisher/complementary guy offensively.

 

[These Are The Days]

The right $9m guy fixes a whole lot of problems.

We probably need a forward and a defenseman. It's tough to know what our D is because Moser is a game changer. I'd like to bring in a solid RHD (nothing too shiny) and move Moser back to the left to make sure either Hedman, Moser, or McDonagh is on the ice at all times. Whatever's left I would use on a right winger who can play line 2, even if it costs us, thus pushing Paul and Geekie down more permanently.

We have depth guys. Problem is at least one of them is always playing too high in the line up.

Fair enough. I suppose I more meant "Can he do the job for $7.5 million?" because that amount of money will buy us enough help to really make a difference again

 

[bov]

Lilleberg DoPS hearing for the hit on Compher. A suspension seems extreme for that hit but unless they issue a fine it looks like he'll be sitting out.

was looking at some armchair GMs and saw a trade that peaked my interest.

TB Trades: Geekie and Sheary

VAN Trades: Boeser 50% retained and the Dman Pettersson

adds a dominate right handed shot who is only 27 but is a UFA at the end of the year. and we also get a 20 year old D prospect that is physical but also strong in his own end. also moves out the Sheary contract but lose Geekie in the process

That is horrible for TB, Boeser is a one dimensional upcoming UFA who will command somewhere in the 8-10 mil range to keep him around. Geekie is going nowhere.

 

[bov]

I think he has already been mentioned but Kiefer Sherwood is having a nice year, is a RH shot who brings some bite. Might not cost an arm & leg.

 

[Hint1k]

Kucherov better not to shoot the puck to someone's head in the next couple of months.

He is going to get a real jail time with that level of massive hysteria

 

[Rschmitz]

Other teams fans would hate us regardless but Kucherov makes it easy for them. Might as well embrace being the villain

 

[Sky04]

I think he has already been mentioned but Kiefer Sherwood is having a nice year, is a RH shot who brings some bite. Might not cost an arm & leg.

How is he not going to cost an arm and a leg? They have no reason to trade him and he's got another year tagged on at 1.5m, these are premium contracts GMs are looking for and he's not even available so you'd have to add even more to get him like we did for Jeannot.

 

[bov]

How is he not going to cost an arm and a leg? They have no reason to trade him and he's got another year tagged on at 1.5m, these are premium contracts GMs are looking for and he's not even available so you'd have to add even more to get him like we did for Jeannot.

Sherwood is about to turn 30 and only settled in as an NHL player last year. Price would not even be comparable to the Jeannot trade. Vancouver is going nowhere anytime soon, the guy isn't some untouchable gem.

 

[Rschmitz]

Sherwood is about to turn 30 and only settled in as an NHL player last year. Price would not even be comparable to the Jeannot trade. Vancouver is going nowhere anytime soon, the guy isn't some untouchable gem.

Looks fine for the 3rd line, he has a really impressive AHL resume.

What I don't want is for us to use 2nds/good prospects to acquire marginal upgrades, so depends on the price. If the market looks steep for the middling guys, I'd rather us overspend to bring in the ideal player. We've seen quite a few middling players available already this year for very cheap, and there were no reports of us getting involved(Kakko for instance) so we'll see.

 

[bov]

Looks fine for the 3rd line, he has a really impressive AHL resume.

What I don't want is for us to use 2nds/good prospects to acquire marginal upgrades, so depends on the price. If the market looks steep for the middling guys, I'd rather us overspend to bring in the ideal player. We've seen quite a few middling players available already this year for very cheap, and there were no reports of us getting involved(Kakko for instance) so we'll see.

Wouldn't hate a 2nd being dealt for a player of that ilk under contract at a good price since we have an extra one this year, but yes I agree. Based on BriseBois' comments it sounds like he is thinking the same thing you mention. Looks like some high picks could be on the move for the right player.

 

[creg]

Captures a lot of the sentiments I have with the team right now, feels like we're playing a lot better hockey despite coming out of January with a rougher record.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Captures a lot of the sentiments I have with the team right now, feels like we're playing a lot better hockey despite coming out of January with a rougher record.

Well, bud... it's up to you to try to shake it up a bit. You did a good job last year at the TDL - sparked the team into a playoff bid. About as good as last years team was gonna do.