Value of: Your goaler to the Avs

[TS Quint]

This is the pt, BUT you fail to admit that happens b'c Rs give suitor full opportunity to talk + negotiate w/him first
by reason of the above, I AM BACKING IT UP

You are doing nothing to back up the exorbitant value you are placing on a discussion. There are no trade talks with anyone without that discussion. End of story. This is not giving Shesty more value. It gives him less value because he isn’t going anywhere he doesn’t want to, reducing the number of teams who can make a pitch at all. Add this to his MNTC he’s picking a new home not the Rangers. This negotiation you think has value has none. It’s the qualifier to even be in the very limited number of teams to be a trading partner. It has some value, not much. Just enough value that teams need to beat out a rental price by about a 3rd round pick in a package of futures. If you want a player back it has zero value at all.

If you have ANY evidence to the contrary I’d love to see your examples. So far you have provided nothing.

 

[bernmeister]

You are doing nothing to back up the exorbitant value you are placing on a discussion. There are no trade talks with anyone without that discussion. End of story. This is not giving Shesty more value. It gives him less value because he isn’t going anywhere he doesn’t want to, reducing the number of teams who can make a pitch at all. Add this to his MNTC he’s picking a new home not the Rangers. This negotiation you think has value has none. It’s the qualifier to even be in the very limited number of teams to be a trading partner. It has some value, not much. Just enough value that teams need to beat out a rental price by about a 3rd round pick in a package of futures. If you want a player back it has zero value at all.

If you have ANY evidence to the contrary I’d love to see your examples. So far you have provided nothing.

1. It is not exorbitant overall in that it is basically an elite for an elite
MacK worth more? Another elite worth less? Fine, all worth a discussion in good faith.

2. He DOES have a very limited # of teams that can be a fit due to cap, etc.
HOWEV
Rs only need 1 suitor to be a fit.

3. Rs are not charging any suitor for being given permission, but it is an indispensably valuable consideration all the same. Whether or not a selling team asks a buying team to chip in on this varies in dif situations

stop trying to control the narrative falsely

 

[12ozPapa]

Your usage of “goaler” negates any trade, sorry

 

[lanceuppercut75]

What about Korpisalo (15%) retained so his contract matches Georgiev at 3.4?

Bruins get out of the term, Avs get a (hopefully) better quality goaltender?

He lost his 1st game against the cats but he looked solid IMO

Korpisalo is $4.0m cap hit, but $1.0m is retained / paid by Ottawa and $3.0m is paid by whomever owns his contract (currently Boston).

Korpisalo is cheaper than Georgiev for whomever owns him.

 

[BKarchitect]

Korpisalo is $4.0m cap hit, but $1.0m is retained / paid by Ottawa and $3.0m is paid by whomever owns his contract (currently Boston).

Korpisalo is cheaper than Georgiev for whomever owns him.

No, he’s not. He’s got THREE more years past this year you are on the hook for. Georgiev expires next spring.

Nothing about having Korpisalo on the Avs is “cheaper” for Colorado. We don’t need or want three additional years of a guy like him.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

No, he’s not. He’s got THREE more years past this year you are on the hook for. Georgiev expires next spring.

Nothing about having Korpisalo on the Avs is “cheaper” for Colorado. We don’t need or want three additional years of a guy like him.

LMAO

I'm having a rough day at work and you just made my day. Thanks man.

 

[TS Quint]

1. It is not exorbitant overall in that it is basically an elite for an elite
MacK worth more? Another elite worth less? Fine, all worth a discussion in good faith.

2. He DOES have a very limited # of teams that can be a fit due to cap, etc.
HOWEV
Rs only need 1 suitor to be a fit.

3. Rs are not charging any suitor for being given permission, but it is an indispensably valuable consideration all the same. Whether or not a selling team asks a buying team to chip in on this varies in dif situations

stop trying to control the narrative falsely

Is McKinnon worth more? Absolutely.

Less than one year of control vs. Almost 7. Not even close. The Rangers aren't getting value out of something they don't own.

If the market for Shesty is one team you are going to be very sad about the return.

What are you even trying to say? McKinnon is worth a hell of a lot more. Not even close.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

you can certainly accept poor net minders for a bottom price if that is yr choice
I said that atm, Shesty is possibly available, but he is not available for cheap, b'c Rs can still go 12.25 ish x 4 and get it done if they have to, and there are gonna be 4-ish or so bidders w/high end offers.

So any bidder needs to recognize Shesty is elite, Vezina quality, entering prime, and offer accordingly.
In case of Avs, I don't expect there is any currency acceptable other than MacKinnon.

If you don't want to go there, fine, no prob.
But it is elite for elite and it is not an insulting premise

Or…..now hear me out. The Avs can keep Mack and sign him for free in offseason

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I’d go after Fleury if I were the Avs

 

[Tender Rip]

I’d go after Jarry, hard, if I was the Avs.

But then again, I would be acting as a disguised Pens asset…

All down for a straight swap with the brawler though. For the record.

 

[HuGort]

What would AVS offer for 28 year old goalie with .942% and 2.03 GAA? Signed longterm at 3.1 million.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Happily going into the season with Georgiev as the starter sure was a stroke of genius. Who could have ever seen that something like this would happen.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

There was a published article says Kings want to go hard after Shesterkin if he does not extend w/Rs
If that is the case then
preference is Shesty + Zib for Byfield + Anderson = ballpark cap works + fits needs

If that is not the case then we an talk
Shesty + Zib for MacKinnon + __________________
or just something around Shesty for MacK if Zib doesn't waive or Avs do not want

Howev
No MacK
no deal
backup plan is Shesty + Zib ++ for Nylander +Knies + +

Leafs are the last team in the NHL that would sign shesterkin. Their cap structure has been out of whack for years, they aren't adding a 13m a year goalie especially not for Nylander and Knies ++. They have solid non spectacular depth in net with two very good goalie prospects as well.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

If Colorado has any interest in Korpisalo, Jarry, Merzlikins, Grubauer, Kuemper, Fleury or Forsberg, the teams that own those goalies would be wise to try and trade them out now while they have the chance. I would add John Gibson to that list, but he's injured and couldn't help the Avalanche win any games right now.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

If Colorado has any interest in Korpisalo, Jarry, Merzlikins, Grubauer, Kuemper, Fleury or Forsberg, the teams that own those goalies would be wise to try and trade them out now while they have the chance. I would add John Gibson to that list, but he's injured and couldn't help the Avalanche win any games right now.

Gibson was reported to be back skating the other day, shouldn't be too far off. I can picture that deal going down in November

 

[Matt Ress]

Would AVS be interested in UPL? 25 year old at 5x4.75. We're not looking for Mack. But we can even add for Mitts back.

 

[missionAvs]

Would AVS be interested in UPL? 25 year old at 5x4.75. We're not looking for Mack. But we can even add for Mitts back.

UPL sure but Mitts stays. He's been very good for us and we struggled hard to find a 2C before him. Let's talk about Ritchie and a means to balance the contracts instead.

 

[bernmeister]

Leafs are the last team in the NHL that would sign shesterkin. Their cap structure has been out of whack for years, they aren't adding a 13m a year goalie especially not for Nylander and Knies ++. They have solid non spectacular depth in net with two very good goalie prospects as well.

You may be right, maybe not.
But Leafs fans already going nuts about how TOR can't get over the hump
A dramatic move may well be forced.

Zib would mitigate somewhat loss of scoring, so they'd still have offense.
and the IMMEDIATE improvement in net is beyond significant

"Solid non spectacular" may may not cut it
2 good prospects, congrats

Not gonna be a hypocrite imo usually smart move is not go all in immediate season, but extend the current window, even if it is 10 steps back to go 13 steps forward.

But given recent fan disappointment post season, can TOR not do a bold move?

 

[Matt Ress]

UPL sure but Mitts stays. He's been very good for us and we struggled hard to find a 2C before him. Let's talk about Ritchie and a means to balance the contracts instead.

We can figure out how to balance contracts. Are you sure that a young, cost controlled skill player is what you want to deal? Frankly, it wouldn't move the needle much for the Sabres as we already have a couple of those NHL ready guys in the system. That's nothing against Ritchie. Again, we can add an ELC to give you a cheap, skilled player but we'd be looking for Mitts back.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

You may be right, maybe not.
But Leafs fans already going nuts about how TOR can't get over the hump
A dramatic move may well be forced.

Zib would mitigate somewhat loss of scoring, so they'd still have offense.
and the IMMEDIATE improvement in net is beyond significant

"Solid non spectacular" may may not cut it
2 good prospects, congrats

Not gonna be a hypocrite imo usually smart move is not go all in immediate season, but extend the current window, even if it is 10 steps back to go 13 steps forward.

But given recent fan disappointment post season, can TOR not do a bold move?

Toronto certainly can make a bold all in move, I just don't believe trading for the leagues best or top 3 goalie and paying him 13 million for 8 years is the right big move. I'd upgrade at 2c and 4d well before the goaltending.

 

[missionAvs]

We can figure out how to balance contracts. Are you sure that a young, cost controlled skill player is what you want to deal? Frankly, it wouldn't move the needle much for the Sabres as we already have a couple of those NHL ready guys in the system. That's nothing against Ritchie. Again, we can add an ELC to give you a cheap, skilled player but we'd be looking for Mitts back.

Fair enough. I think that would end the conversation with the Avs. As pressing a need as a good starter is for us, we saw how critical missing a good 2C was the last 2 years. I think asking for a package around Mitts stops the conversation right then and there.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Matt Murray would be an inexpensive gamble to take and if he's recovered will give a team decent goaltending.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

What would AVS offer for 28 year old goalie with .942% and 2.03 GAA? Signed longterm at 3.1 million.

Would that happen to be the same 28 year old goalie who has slightly worse career numbers than our recently claimed 28 year old waiver wire goalie, who is fortunately only signed for this year at $1m?

 

[Fatass]

Avs are 0-4. Their top guys are big minus players. Minus 12 combined. Not too sure their problem is goaltending.

 

[HuGort]

Would that happen to be the same 28 year old goalie who has slightly worse career numbers than our recently claimed 28 year old waiver wire goalie, who is fortunately only signed for this year at $1m?

No