Value of: Your goaler to the Avs

[lanceuppercut75]

I see the Wild's goalie situation becoming more trouble than it's worth. Like everybody else in the hockey world not name Bill Guerin. It's already starting with early injuries and call up needs. I am somewhat hopeful Gustavsson is traded well before the TDL because this three goalie jazz cannot be beneficial for anyone involved, especially Wallstedt. Something has to give..

So far Gus is looking to be in good goalie form. Albeit tiny sample size. Any trade offer. even quarters to dollars value are hopefully considered, but then who know what hell Billy G is thinking anyway throughout this.

Minnesota can very easily demote Wallstedt to be AHL starter when all 3 are healthy, and then replace Fleury on the NHL roster next season. It's very simple and easier than a trade. Try explaining that to Guerin though...

 

[bernmeister]

Leafs have Matthews. Maybe Marner if he signs a sweetheart deal could get a trade done. What does LA have though? No 3 assets they have is even close to 1/3 of what it would take.

This may be insulting to Aves fans and Rangers may not have a need. But Makar could be the right price.

Aves already have a 7 million dollars contract for Toews. And Manson and Girard each on pretty big contracts. What is the use without and elite goaler?

The price seems fair to me but NYRs have Fox already who is arguably even to Makar. Fox more defensive than power player but both are top defense.

Leafs can do a deal, 4-ish pieces each side, enuf coming + going win win

LA really only needs include Byfield, rest can be smoothing of the edges

As to Makar, sure, but taking into acct age etc, and need for position I don't see COLO considering him either

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

The year is 2035

John Gibson is still talked about in trade rumors

I'm half surprised no one has tried to trade us Carey Price.

 

[Viqsi]

I'm half surprised no one has tried to trade us Carey Price.

In my defense, my options were either the Elvis offer or I restart the "That means we won, right?" posting schitck.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

Minnesota can very easily demote Wallstedt to be AHL starter when all 3 are healthy, and then replace Fleury on the NHL roster next season. It's very simple and easier than a trade. Try explaining that to Guerin though...

I actually completely agree with you to be honest, especially the last sentence, Problem I have is Guerin opened his big mouth and told Wallstedt to get a place to live in the Twin Cities. If the Wild demote him for the majority of the season they are kind of doing Wallstedt double dirty. One by going back on their significant NHL time. He would also now be paying for a pad that he's not even living at, on an hL salary. I don't want our own version of an Askarov situation. Guerin's track record with goalies that isn't a former team mate is becoming a concern, or least topic of interest, for me. And his mouth. While usually entertaining sometimes BillyG needs to get out of his own way and shut up.

 

[Breakers]

Probably even scouring the North Korean Elite League their goaltending is so bad.

 

[Zirakzigil]

 

[DesertPenguin]

Avs have 5 non-ELC goalies under contract now to play NHL and AHL, which should ideally be 4 goalies. Kuemper Annunen Kahkonen Mandolese Miner. I think you would be forced to take a goalie back, as 5 is already arguably too many and 6 is definitely too many. Perhaps Colorarado would demand Pittsburgh take Mandolese to play in Wilkes-Barre, or to be re-traded to a third team.

We have no problem burying a guy in the ECHL if that's what it takes, but we don't need one back. Send us a pick/prospect and a 1-2 year cap dump.

 

[KevinRedkey]

You can have Anton Forsberg for a conditional pick, based on how many Vezina's he wins.

Just take a look at his stats on December 2nd last year.

39 save shutout! Impressive right? If he was that good on Ottawa, just imagine how good he'd be on Colorado...!

 

[benfranklin]

Dumbass Avs should have just kept Kuemper and we may be looking at more cups right now. Shame on stupid ass sakic and cmac for neglecting the position and letting Kuemper go

lol no. Nukes drug problem is why they arent going for a 4peat right now.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Do you mean "the" Darth Vlader?

Always wanted this guy.

But he sucks? I'm terrible at predicting prospects, and I feel like he's aged beyond prospect.

He doesn't suck no. Just inconsistent and needs a new contract on a team looking to accumulate assets.
Has the odd game where he's out of his mind good and has the odd stinker. His normal level is decent backup, just don't think there's all that much more there.

 

[Freaky Styley]

My gut tells me it's going to be Blackwood.

Although I wonder if there's some sort of blockbuster to be made with Carolina with Rantanen that includes Kochetkov coming back.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

We have no problem burying a guy in the ECHL if that's what it takes, but we don't need one back. Send us a pick/prospect and a 1-2 year cap dump.

You can't assign a player on an NHL contract to the ECHL unless you get their permission, according to the CBA. Entry level contracts are an exception. All 5 goalies are beyond their ELC contract.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Dumbass Avs should have just kept Kuemper and we may be looking at more cups right now. Shame on stupid ass sakic and cmac for neglecting the position and letting Kuemper go

doubtful, he was terribad last year for the caps

 

[deakka]

I think Nedeljkovic should be back soon. Hes pretty cheap (2.5x2) and can give about average goaltending.

Could that be a target?

 

[Richard88]

I think Nedeljkovic should be back soon. Hes pretty cheap (2.5x2) and can give about average goaltending.

Could that be a target?

That's not a bad target, but the biggest hurdle would be shifting Georgiev's $3.5m

 

[deakka]

That's not a bad target, but the biggest hurdle would be shifting Georgiev's $3.5m

yeah. and i dont know if pens can take on the extra 900k if they take him back.
They have Lizptte and Ned on regular IR tho, only lizotte on LITR. Im not good at calculating thos thing, but i think they count against the cap atm.

So maybe if Lizotte comes back they send 1 player making 900k down at that opens up the 900k needed, since Lizotte cap hit already counts against the cap?

 

[Siignal]

Vladar has recovered from an injury that impacted his ability to play and made him undealable last TDL. He definitely would be in conversations here.

 

[DJB]

Dumbass Avs should have just kept Kuemper and we may be looking at more cups right now. Shame on stupid ass sakic and cmac for neglecting the position and letting Kuemper go

Kuemper just gave up 8 goals yesterday.

How bad is Georgiev for Kuemper to be an upgrade ?

 

[TS Quint]

This is an elite vez quality guy locked in at 5.6 this yr and you get to negotiate extension immediately before.
I am not saying 1:1 but main pieces would have to be Igor + MacK
Shoe on the other foot, you want Shesty for bupkis
And I am the one who has to get real?
Look in the mirror, physician, heal thyself

You sure put a lot of value for the Rangers letting a team be the first to negotiate. What is the highest value a team has go back for negotiation rights in a trade? Of course this applies to every single player traded and is not unique to Shesty. The Rangers will also be getting back a player they can have a chance to negotiate first with. I don’t see how that makes up the near 6 year gap in control between McKinnon and Shesty.

Why not Marner for Shesty straight up? Same amount of team control. The Rangers get an incredible value in getting to negotiate with Marner before anyone else.

 

[bernmeister]

You sure put a lot of value for the Rangers letting a team be the first to negotiate. What is the highest value a team has go back for negotiation rights in a trade? Of course this applies to every single player traded and is not unique to Shesty. The Rangers will also be getting back a player they can have a chance to negotiate first with. I don’t see how that makes up the near 6 year gap in control between McKinnon and Shesty.

Why not Marner for Shesty straight up? Same amount of team control. The Rangers get an incredible value in getting to negotiate with Marner before anyone else.

1. In the immediate scenario, Rs are not acquiring ufa/rfa so no negotiation on their end is nec.
2. MacK and Shesty are both gonna be expensive for whoever holds their rights and there is no getting around that. They are gonna be in the same ballpark number. Beginning next season, both will be under contract long term. Not seeing a big whoop there.

3. No on Marner for Shesty. NY does not want/need.
Something around core pieces Shesty + Zib for Nylander + Knies

 

[inthewings]

Shesterkin for Mackinnon
Cayden Primeau for a 1st

This thread delivers on the hilarity that keeps me coming back to HF

 

[DJJones]

Vladar has recovered from an injury that impacted his ability to play and made him undealable last TDL. He definitely would be in conversations here.

At this point they'd have to overpay. They're treating him like the starter, Wolf looked great the one game though

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Georgiev always has been like this
Good and Bad spurts
From a rangers fan

As for a replacement good luck
It would be meh for meh

More bad than good. He's actually quite talented just not technically sound and an immense headcase.

 

[Djp]

Is a goaler a goalie who scored or gets assist on goals against themsrlves,?