Post-Game Talk: Young Ducks beat Jets 4-1

[Thechozen1]

I think especially in the start of the season Maurice just defaults to what he knows. It's why you saw Lowry on the PP instead of a Scheifele type of player to replace what was missing.

And at the other end you have Eakins playing McTavish and Zegras on their power play and penalty killing units and getting good results. Maurice needs to better trust in his players not named Wheeler or Stastny.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They weren't as bad as you are making them out to be but weren't as good as the shot tots indicated either. I think you are being overly harsh due to the final score.

No. It is just that I think the final score reflected the play. Offensively, Jets had very few dangerous chances. Defensively, they gave up 4 goals. I think Helle was weak there, but he is part of the team - and none of them was entirely on him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Hot takes like this, and fire the coach we were out coached posts are what makes these GDTs a joke to read.

Not a hot take at all. It is complete disagreement with the OP's statement. They did not play well enough to win. Period.

The way they played led to a 4-1 score against them - against one of the weakest teams in the league. How does playing like that ever win a game?

Are you saying the 4 goals against were flukes? I disagree. Are you saying it was puck luck that kept the puck out of the Ducks' net? I disagree.

 

[GJF]

Just based on our play that game, this is the most optimistic I've felt about our chances in years. I saw some things that are exactly what I've been wanting to see. Sure, I also saw individual mistakes, and I saw a goalie who is among the most talented in the league playing at the top of his game. I don't expect that to be a regular occurrence.

The first period was some of the best Jets hockey I've seen for years imo

sums up what I think

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I disagree with the bolded. I thought Jets were the better team all night outside of goaltending. Ducks weren't really a threat besides on special teams. A few different bounces in 1st period and it's 4-1 Jets win imo.

I didn't see the Jets with dangerous chances. I saw them shooting from the perimeter and with Gibson having a good look at the puck.

Jets goaltending was bad but so was the defense. That combination was full value for the 4 goals against. I think the shot clock was not an accurate reflection of the play.

Outside of goaltending and special teams doesn't leave an awful lot.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

boy, you like to argue

there’s been nights where we have won games because of Helle’s play

This is a team game and others on the team have to step up as well

Absolutely, on both points. I am not talking about the big picture. I'm talking about last nights' game.

I am concerned about Helle being ready at the start of the game. Apparently the facts don't support my perception that Helle is giving up those early goals too easily, too often. But I still notice it far too much. It looks like a thing to me. I will just hope that I am wrong there.

 

[surixon]

Not a hot take at all. It is complete disagreement with the OP's statement. They did not play well enough to win. Period.

The way they played led to a 4-1 score against them - against one of the weakest teams in the league. How does playing like that ever win a game?

Are you saying the 4 goals against were flukes? I disagree. Are you saying it was puck luck that kept the puck out of the Ducks' net? I disagree.

They had a number of dangerous looks although not enough of them.

Anaheim just capitalized on theirs and we didn't on ours. It happens and I expect once the team is more I sync playing a 5 man offensive unit they will generate more of them.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I guess if you want to argue semantics - to me, being outcoached means that the other coach did something with his team selection or strategy to counter what you did purposely and you being unable to adapt. One easy example would be how Maurice adapted their backcheck strategy in the first round last year to keep McDavid and Draisaitl in check, something that Tippett could not answer.

Carrying most of the play all night and losing because of some iffy goals against and not tying up sticks in the lane on the PK doesn't say to me that Eakins had some master scheme to frustrate the Jets and Maurice couldn't adapt. Just losing the game doesn't mean being outcoached.

If anything, Maurice outcoaches himself with his line selection at times.

That is a very narrow view of what outcoached could mean. How often does that kind of thinking apply in hockey? How many games are influenced, or decided by some brilliant single game strategy or game plan?

 

[raideralex99]

No. It is just that I think the final score reflected the play. Offensively, Jets had very few dangerous chances. Defensively, they gave up 4 goals. I think Helle was weak there, but he is part of the team - and none of them was entirely on him.

Take off that eye patch its affecting your vision.
Helle was weak on the first goal that's it.
The second goal McTavish had an empty and and almost missed ... hit the post and in ...that was on the D.
3rd and 4th goals were deflections ... no goalie in the World can stop redirections in fact I think its humanly impossible to do ... the body can't move fast than a puck.
PLD had 2 dangerous chances and missed the net both times.
Morrissey had one too when it was 2-1 and if he scores its 2-2 and a completely different game.
It's only one game and if you ask anyone which team would you rather have the Ducks or the Jets ... even a diehard Ducks fan would pick the Jets.

 

[DashingDane]

I didn't see the Jets with dangerous chances. I saw them shooting from the perimeter and with Gibson having a good look at the puck.

Jets goaltending was bad but so was the defense. That combination was full value for the 4 goals against. I think the shot clock was not an accurate reflection of the play.

Outside of goaltending and special teams doesn't leave an awful lot.

I'm surprised we apparently watched different games as I'm usually more aligned with your views. I saw quite a few dangerous chances where Gibson stood on his head. Both JoMo and Ehlers would have had hattricks if Gibson played like Helly did imo. Not saying Jets couldn't have been better. Our pp looked as bad as last season but I think the Jets did a lot of things right. I firmly believe we make a solid run in the PO's if they keep playing like they did for the majority of last nights game.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Not one of your best takes, I have to say. Not much else to add to that other than it's great that two people can watch the same game and have opposing viewpoints on it.

I'll grant you that.

Some people here think we just got goalied. If they are correct in that, then the statement that playing like that will win 9 times out of ten is no worse than a little hyperbole. That was one of the weakest teams in the league, so maybe 5 or 6 in ten would be more like it.

I don't think that we were goalied. I think we made Gibson look good with perimeter shots. I think both our D and our goalie were weak. If we play like that, we are going to give up a lot of goals. I don't expect that combination to be the norm. But if it is, we need to score a lot of goals to win. We won't score a lot of goals from the poor scoring chances we generated last night. Therefore, I don't think playing that way wins any games. Except, I guess if we play another weak team like Anaheim and that weak team has an off night like the one we had last night.

Some people are responding to me like I said we should expect that kind of crap every game. I didn't say that. I'm commenting on that game. It was a stinker. I don't see any need to try and sugar coat it.

I expect much better next time.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

To expand on the previous point, last year we were 10th worst in goals against in the first period. In the previous season, where Helle won the Vezina an without a doubt was the reason we were in a playoff spot when the season ended, we were 14th worst.

It's entirely possible that it was completely binary and he either let in 2 or 0. Or you just remember when he allowed 2 because it felt insurmountable with our bad team.

I think it was that first thing.
But it could also be that I am over-remembering the big events. Not necessarily that it felt insurmountable but just the human nature aspect of remembering the big event. I'm subject to the same human nature biases as everyone else is.

Someone dug into the facts for me last year to prove that it hadn't happened as often as I remembered but, I believe it was still more than normal. I expected it to be different this year and regress toward average. So, I am a little flummoxed to see it already in the very first game. Hope I don't see it again before I have forgotten all about this 'problem'.

 

[MrvJets]

Only one game but this team is going to disappoint once again. Just not good enough or hungry. Helle lets in a lot of garbage goals at times like his head is not in the game. The Ducks are a horrible team and we made them look like world beaters.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They had a number of dangerous looks although not enough of them.

Anaheim just capitalized on theirs and we didn't on ours. It happens and I expect once the team is more I sync playing a 5 man offensive unit they will generate more of them.

I didn't say they had zero dangerous chances, just not many. And they didn't capitalize on those they had.

That is part of 'playing that way'. I am taking exception to the statement that playing that way they will usually win. I'm even being generous reducing it from 9 out of 10 to just usually. Playing exactly like they did last night, everything included will lead to 4-1 loses 100% of the time. That score was an accurate reflection of the way they played.

That doesn't mean there was no good play. But a good offensive play to set up a chance, with a blown chance, doesn't result in goals. A good defensive play to recover the puck that is followed by coughing up the puck in the slot will result in a lot of goals against. There was some good play, but the play overall was bad. Outshooting the Ducks shouldn't cover that up.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Take off that eye patch its affecting your vision.
Helle was weak on the first goal that's it.
The second goal McTavish had an empty and and almost missed ... hit the post and in ...that was on the D.
3rd and 4th goals were deflections ... no goalie in the World can stop redirections in fact I think its humanly impossible to do ... the body can't move fast than a puck.
PLD had 2 dangerous chances and missed the net both times.
Morrissey had one too when it was 2-1 and if he scores its 2-2 and a completely different game.
It's only one game and if you ask anyone which team would you rather have the Ducks or the Jets ... even a diehard Ducks fan would pick the Jets.

Again, I didn't say fire the coach and trade all of the players. I'm talking about that game. I'm taking exception to people saying we got goalied.

In the post you quote, I said it was not all on Helle. There was weak D play in front of him too. Pretty sure it was the 2nd goal where Helle had the chance to cover the puck with his glove and missed > open net, easy goal.

So ...... we missed finishing on the good chances we had. PLD missing the net is not us playing well but getting goalied.

Of course I would rather have the Jets than the Ducks. Ducks are in year 1 (or 2) of a 5 year rebuild, with no guarantee that 5 years gets it done.

But Jets were . bad . last . night.

 

[surixon]

I didn't say they had zero dangerous chances, just not many. And they didn't capitalize on those they had.

That is part of 'playing that way'. I am taking exception to the statement that playing that way they will usually win. I'm even being generous reducing it from 9 out of 10 to just usually. Playing exactly like they did last night, everything included will lead to 4-1 loses 100% of the time. That score was an accurate reflection of the way they played.

That doesn't mean there was no good play. But a good offensive play to set up a chance, with a blown chance, doesn't result in goals. A good defensive play to recover the puck that is followed by coughing up the puck in the slot will result in a lot of goals against. There was some good play, but the play overall was bad. Outshooting the Ducks shouldn't cover that up.

Yes the team has plenty of areas to clean up and given the systems haven't been used in a couple of years I expect it will take a good 10 games to really ingrain the nuances of the new schemes. There was a lot of good things going in the foundation of our game though. Generally very good retrieval and breakouts. We gained the offensive zone really well. Just need to work some more on rotations and breaking teams down once we get the puck in the ozone.

No excuse for how terrible the PK looked though.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Agreed for a 19 year old kid he's strong on pucks and doesn't get knocked off it easily. That along with his smarts and instincts off of it will make his coach happy.

He has some good mentors on the team in Paul in terms of showing him how to play a strong all around cerebral game. I also think Mark is a good mentor in terms of ay through the nz and in the offensive end with the puck.

The question becomes how does the org approach his development this year. While early we may very well need his offense this year if the wheels fall off Blake and Paul.

I think he needs to switch with Copp. He made plays that Lowry and Harkins just couldn’t see. I think our second and third lines would improve with that change.

I don’t know what to do about Wheeler…….

 

[Aggie204]

I’m not putting much stock into the first game, Scheifele will round out the top 6. Copp should be always paired with Lowry. I would love to see Perfetti (Playmaker with a sneaky good shot) with Dubois (Straightline power center) and Ehlers (playmaker, triggerman).

 

[surixon]

I think he needs to switch with Copp. He made plays that Lowry and Harkins just couldn’t see. I think our second and third lines would improve with that change.

I don’t know what to do about Wheeler…….

Hopefully it's just his patented slow start. Granted when you are making the most cash on the team and are the captain you should show up and be ready to play. He looked like he was still in preseason mode last night.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm surprised we apparently watched different games as I'm usually more aligned with your views. I saw quite a few dangerous chances where Gibson stood on his head. Both JoMo and Ehlers would have had hattricks if Gibson played like Helly did imo. Not saying Jets couldn't have been better. Our pp looked as bad as last season but I think the Jets did a lot of things right. I firmly believe we make a solid run in the PO's if they keep playing like they did for the majority of last nights game.

I didn't see all of that game, but I saw most of it. I could have missed some good chances. I can only comment on what I saw, not what I didn't see. I saw a lot of perimeter shots. I saw a lot of shots where no one was screening Gibson. He had clear views. I saw us making him look good.

I also saw some good play from some players. I don't think that play set the tone for the game though.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I was as frustrated as many of you watching the game last night. The Jets looked really good for large parts of the game with the exception of a few players who clearly had off games.

But I'm going to give it a good 10 games before I'd say the game last night was indicative of the way this team will play in December or April.

 

[FonRiesen]

With every game I watch, I never feel less excited about Cole Perfetti.

I only watched the first two periods, but I was very impressed with his showing. Cool under pressere - there were several moments I thought he'd turn over the puck or get hammered but he just stays calm and makes smart plays. I noticed one play where a flying Duck tried to pound him early on, and he stepped aside enough to mitigate contact and didn't panic. Very responsive and anticipates well. I thought he didn't look at all out of place, and was better engaged in the game than a lot of our guys... And making more plays. How was the 3rd period?

 

[surixon]

I only watched the first two periods, but I was very impressed with his showing. Cool under pressere - there were several moments I thought he'd turn over the puck or get hammered but he just stays calm and makes smart plays. I noticed one play where a flying Duck tried to pound him early on, and he stepped aside enough to mitigate contact and didn't panic. Very responsive and anticipates well. I thought he didn't look at all out of place, and was better engaged in the game than a lot of our guys... And making more plays. How was the 3rd period?

It was solid but he didn't see a tonne of playing time.

 

[FonRiesen]

I thought there were also major issues in how we deployed our 1st PP unit tonight and given how many pp's we got it likely played a big role in ourack of offense.

It seems to me the plan is to run the exact same scheme as last year where the major points of attack are through a Conner one timer either through seam pass or point pass or the slot shot to Dubois through down low or half board pass. Our top unit is not set up to utilize a point shot with a double layer screen so I found it absolutely baffling that Lowry was out there. He served zero purpose and his lack of skill negated our ability to our down low to slot shot play (Pretty much our second most used play on that unit last year)

Another thing if we are trying to tee up Conner we need a LS at the point to make that pass easier. As it was we spent too much time teeing up RS Wheeler and well he has pee shooter of a shot now and isn't beating any goalie with his one timer.

I get Mark was out of the lineup but it just seems Moe defaulted to seniority instead of actually putting any thought into utilizing the best prices in order to have the unit accomplish what you wanted it to accomplish.

Really Perfetti should have been in for Lowry and Perfetti should have been on the HB position with Wheeler down low like last year. Having it set up like that allows for the down low to slot pass that Blake was good at last year. Perfetti shredded the AHL from that HB spot on the PP last year and knows how to open the seam/slot pass as well as he has a great shot that he can walk in and use.

I just thought that was an area of poor coaching/player utilization last night.

Wheeler's one-timer attempts were embarrassing. Wasn't just one muffed shot, either...

I thought our PP had some good movement and possession, but it helps nothing if we don't get quality shots on goal or deflections/screens.

 

[Guardian17]