Post-Game Talk: Young Ducks beat Jets 4-1

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Adam da bomb

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PLD or Copp need to crash the net every time Ehlers has a chance to get a shot off, IMO. They aren't players who will pull off amazing feats of skill, but they are big and will score and/or cause goals to happen if they get to the net when Ehlers shoots.

Wellwood worked with Kane for that reason, even though he didn't really have the size to cause turmoil in front of the net. He knew Kane would shoot, so he went there.
But the moments I’m thinking about they didn’t even have a chance as pld sent it to Ehlers and he just let it rip before letting anything develop first.
 

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Not a hot take at all. It is complete disagreement with the OP's statement. They did not play well enough to win. Period.

The way they played led to a 4-1 score against them - against one of the weakest teams in the league. How does playing like that ever win a game?

Are you saying the 4 goals against were flukes? I disagree. Are you saying it was puck luck that kept the puck out of the Ducks' net? I disagree.
You should really stick to the call in shows if you think that the Jets will lose the next 10 games if they play like they did last night. Ralph from St James is in his 90s and has memory problems but he has a better grasp on hockey that you do.
 
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5 of 12 forwards didn't hit 10 minutes in time on ice. By comparison Anaheim only had 1.

That is all.
You do appreciate the idea of context don't you? It was a game where the Jets had close to 10 minutes of PP time and were chasing the game. They were also short handed over 7 minutes. There was slightly over 40 minutes of 5-5 play in the game. Which of the 4th liners did you want out there late to mount the comeback? I hear Nash likes to fill the net:sarcasm:
 

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The first thing I'll ssay is I missed the game. Doesn't happen often and never for the opener.
Sounds like the team missed its 1C.

How did Schmidt and Dillon play?​
 

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You do appreciate the idea of context don't you? It was a game where the Jets had close to 10 minutes of PP time and were chasing the game. They were also short handed over 7 minutes. There was slightly over 40 minutes of 5-5 play in the game. Which of the 4th liners did you want out there late to mount the comeback? I hear Nash likes to fill the net:sarcasm:
Your excuses don’t make sense - Anaheim would have had seven minutes PP and ten PK? And there are two other fourth liners that can score... what were their minutes
 
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Your excuses don’t make sense - Anaheim would have had seven minutes PP and ten PK? And there are two other fourth liners that can score... what were their minutes
Chasing the game doesn't make sense to you? When you are trying to come back in a game offensive players always get more ice time. You are trying to score not grind down the clock with 4th line checking. The Ducks also had 7 forwards get less than 10:00 5-5 minutes due to the skewed nature of the game. And since when is trying to be accurate an excuse?
 
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You do appreciate the idea of context don't you? It was a game where the Jets had close to 10 minutes of PP time and were chasing the game. They were also short handed over 7 minutes. There was slightly over 40 minutes of 5-5 play in the game. Which of the 4th liners did you want out there late to mount the comeback? I hear Nash likes to fill the net:sarcasm:



Perfetti got zero PP time. This was the one game he might get for awhile with Scheifele back next game. Why not put him out there even once? Svechnikov could have gotten more ice time than the piddly amount he got. You want to be a smarty pants and make like I was directly referring to Nash then go ahead. Sometimes maybe when the same old same old isn't working you try something different to throw the other team off. So yeah ok lets tire the f*** out of 6 guys and leave guys who have something to prove to the coaching staff on the bench with fresh legs. Recipe for loss after loss after loss
 

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Chasing the game doesn't make sense to you? When you are trying to come back in a game offensive players always get more ice time. You are trying to score not grind down the clock with 4th line checking. The Ducks also had 7 forwards get less than 10:00 5-5 minutes due to the skewed nature of the game. And since when is trying to be accurate an excuse?
It makes sense yes - but I’ve seen us ride csw even when it’s not working...
 

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You do appreciate the idea of context don't you? It was a game where the Jets had close to 10 minutes of PP time and were chasing the game. They were also short handed over 7 minutes. There was slightly over 40 minutes of 5-5 play in the game. Which of the 4th liners did you want out there late to mount the comeback? I hear Nash likes to fill the net:sarcasm:
Geez, it sure worked well playing the crap out of Wheeler, Dubois and Stastny didn't it?
Ehlers 5th in total ice time among forwards.
For all their icetime "chasing the game" they only scored one goal.
Maybe a little smarter to spread the icetime out and let a few others have a shot at producing. Keep our so-called top guys a little fresher and maybe a bottom 6 guy will produce when given a chance.
 

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Perfetti got zero PP time. This was the one game he might get for awhile with Scheifele back next game. Why not put him out there even once? Svechnikov could have gotten more ice time than the piddly amount he got. You want to be a smarty pants and make like I was directly referring to Nash then go ahead. Sometimes maybe when the same old same old isn't working you try something different to throw the other team off. So yeah ok lets tire the f*** out of 6 guys and leave guys who have something to prove to the coaching staff on the bench with fresh legs. Recipe for loss after loss after loss
Then make an argument for Perfetti to get more PP time as I agree with you. But making a blanket statement on TOI is misleading and as I said misses the context of the game. If you look through the ice time numbers on the game, the biggest difference was Lowry and Copp both got heavy PP and PK minutes which kept the 4th line off the ice. Personally, I don't particularly like either on the PP, but the are generally really good PKers. On a heavy specialty team game that you are trailing and your 4th line doesn't PK, I'm actually surprised they got as many minutes as the did. Again looking at the 5-5 numbers the 4th line was actually pretty close to the 3rd line.
 
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Perfetti got zero PP time. This was the one game he might get for awhile with Scheifele back next game. Why not put him out there even once? Svechnikov could have gotten more ice time than the piddly amount he got. You want to be a smarty pants and make like I was directly referring to Nash then go ahead. Sometimes maybe when the same old same old isn't working you try something different to throw the other team off. So yeah ok lets tire the f*** out of 6 guys and leave guys who have something to prove to the coaching staff on the bench with fresh legs. Recipe for loss after loss after loss
Bingo! Well said. The playing our top guys a ton obviously did not work last game and hasn't worked in key games.
Spread the ice time a little more and have a fresher so-called top group who may be able to score. Although, Ehlers fifth in ice time amongst forwards is ridiculous.
 
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You should really stick to the call in shows if you think that the Jets will lose the next 10 games if they play like they did last night. Ralph from St James is in his 90s and has memory problems but he has a better grasp on hockey that you do.

You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Mort :laugh:

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5 of 12 forwards didn't hit 10 minutes in time on ice. By comparison Anaheim only had 1.

That is all.

Funny comment considering three of those had just under 10 mins in a game that was played largely on special teams or 4v4.

Ice time wasn’t even that lopsided if people would actually look at the numbers. Only two forwards broke 15mins at ES(Connor and Stastny) and they were also the only two to break 20 mins overall. Considering how much of the game wasn’t at 5v5 the management of ice time was largely much better then recent years.
 

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I agree. Cappy has an important place on the team and it hurts his image and the team to misuse him like Mau did last year and so far this year. Is he still injured?
He sure was wiping out and falling alot, many times with no contact from opponents?
And I am officually calling him "cement hands" on every 3 of 4 touches of the puck. Its like a live grenade to him most of the times he touches it!
 
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But the moments I’m thinking about they didn’t even have a chance as pld sent it to Ehlers and he just let it rip before letting anything develop first.
Nice drive to the net With the Puck on his stick by Copp'er. Glad Gibson didn't get hurt but the Dude ( Gibson) put himself in a very dangerous position, gliding out outside of the post with a power player driving to the net! Mostof his body was outside of the post when Copp made contact with him.
 
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It makes sense yes - but I’ve seen us ride csw even when it’s not working...
Only thing is, the top offensive players (in Mau's playbook, other than Ehlers) were responsible for giveaways or poor puck play on goals against. So playing them more, and restricting/ limiting/ curtailing/ outright ignoring players with offensive potential ( Svech, Vesalainen...) makes alot of sense. No wonder we lost along with Helle was a little "leaky" and lost his positioning on a few of 'em. Only Game 1, no worries, no wins.
 

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All I know is Paul stastny at 21+ a game is not sustainable and it’s a bit scary to see Wheeler, stas, Connor on the PK more than Ves, Harkins or Svech

smells like mo
Yep I’d rather pk trusted guys on 4th line tonito than svech if that means limiting stats minutes especially pk.
 
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