Post-Game Talk: Young Ducks beat Jets 4-1

[surixon]

have any of us actually figured out what the scheme is?

We are running a more aggressive 2-1-2 forecheck like they did back in 2017-18. We are also activating our dmen in the transition much more. There was also a lot more in terms of a low to high cycle in the offensive zone.

I think once we get more familiar with a 5 man offensive rotation you will see more slot shots being opened up.

 

[LowLefty]

Yeah a big shot would help no doubt about it. Stanley has one but I'd need to see more of his lateral mobility to open up shooting lanes from up top. Having a cannon is good but you need to be able to get it through.

He doesn't have an issue getting the shot through - see his shots from LY
Wing span will cover for a lot of the mobility you mention

 

[surixon]

He doesn't have an issue getting the shot through - see his shots from LY
Wing span will cover for a lot of the mobility you mention

Its a different ball game when teams are game planning for your shot on the pp then it is at 5 on 5 where there is less focus on point shot.

If teams are paying attention to him then he is going to need to move around more and create shot lanes for himself.

 

[rubikscube]

Or maybe Heinola? A man can dream, right?

Why though? Heinola looked awful in preseason

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Why though? Heinola looked awful in preseason

I tend to base my opinions off of more than just a few exhibition games

 

[DRW204]

I tend to base my opinions off of more than just a few exhibition games

didn't stanley look terrible last year at training camp too?

 

[tbcwpg]

Excellent post and some key points. We sometimes look at roster makeup and player utilization and ask if it really matters where inconsequential Player A fits in, etc. But where players play can often determine how they play -- as yesterday's PP and PK setups seems to demonstrate.

Players aren't simple parts in a game as fast and dynamic as ice hockey -- attention needs to be paid to the players they actually are and the skills and assets (and weaknesses) they actually possess. I sometimes feel that Maurice is someone who has a fixed idea and then populates it with the pieces he thinks he as as opposed to looking carefully at those pieces and then building flexibility into that overarching idea.

But it's game 1. The real philosophizing can wait another 9, I guess.

I think especially in the start of the season Maurice just defaults to what he knows. It's why you saw Lowry on the PP instead of a Scheifele type of player to replace what was missing.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

didn't stanley look terrible last year at training camp too?

I honestly cant remember. Either way I’m not sure what that has to do with me thinking Heinola should be next in line for a shoot at a roster spot. Especially considering it will most likely be Boo Boo in in the event Stanley struggles.

Like I said, I tend to look at the larger body of work and not just base my opinions on a few exhibition games.

 

[Weezeric]

I think especially in the start of the season Maurice just defaults to what he knows. It's why you saw Lowry on the PP instead of a Scheifele type of player to replace what was missing.

There is no Scheifele type of player on this roster. There are two other right hand shots. Wheeler and Nash. They are the only two options if you want a one timer from
that spot. Sure, you could change the entire setup, but it’s only for one game. The Ehlers unit didn’t generate anything either..

 

[DRW204]

I honestly cant remember. Either way I’m not sure what that has to do with me thinking Heinola should be next in line for a shoot at a roster spot. Especially considering it will most likely be Boo Boo in in the event Stanley struggles.

Like I said, I tend to look at the larger body of work and not just base my opinions on a few exhibition games.

i agree with you. but just saying there's an examples of a player of having a poor TC/Pre-season but being nhl competent

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yup. This team still has issues generating high danger shots. Hopefully that sorts itself out as the team figures out the scheme.

When Morrissey has three of your most dangerous shots your forwards aren't doing enough to get good looks.

I was bothered by Hellebuyck giving up 2-3 goals in the first 5 shots of the game last year. He is 1 for 1 this year. Doesn't look good. He is just not ready for the start of the game.

Maybe we should worry less about Comrie and more about Helle.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Player utilization has long been a weak point of Maurice. One only has to look back to injured top pairing Beaulieu last season to see that.

I see all the time that Maurice was "outcoached". No he isn't. He's not usually losing because the other team is doing something creative while he has no answer for it. Tonight he wasn't "outcoached" by Dallas Eakins, he just got his combos wrong and it led to an ineffective PP, which combined with a poor 1st period from Hellebuyck, sapped any momentum the strong 1st period had.

That would pretty much be the definition of being "outcoached".

 

[surixon]

There is no Scheifele type of player on this roster. There are two other right hand shots. Wheeler and Nash. They are the only two options if you want a one timer from
that spot. Sure, you could change the entire setup, but it’s only for one game. The Ehlers unit didn’t generate anything either..

His name is Cole Perfetti and you are way to fixated on that player being a right shot. A left shot player works just fine there. We are running the inverted PP scheme that we ran with Laine here except we are teeing up Conner instead of Laine. Funny how very few were combining about a RS Wheeler on the HB then. Using Cole there would have been the exact same set up as what we ran a couple of years ago.

 

[SUX2BU]

I was bothered by Hellebuyck giving up 2-3 goals in the first 5 shots of the game last year. He is 1 for 1 this year. Doesn't look good. He is just not ready for the start of the game.

Maybe we should worry less about Comrie and more about Helle.

no

 

[DRW204]

His name is Cole Perfetti and you are way to fixated on that player being a right shot. A left shot player works just fine there. We are running the inverted PP scheme that we ran with Laine here except we are teeing up Conner instead of Laine. Funny how very few were combining about a RS Wheeler on the HB then. Using Cole there would have been the exact same set up as what we ran a couple of years ago.

wheeler is not forgoing that spot to a rookie, lets be real

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not worried about this team ... they play like this 9 out of 10 times they win.
I think this is the first Jets loss that I'm not upset.
As far as I'm concern the only negative ... Wheeler is not worth $8.25 million.
You knew it was going to happen after the announcers were talking about how the Ducks PP broken the record for the worst ever PP (9%) and only scoring 3 PP goals all season last year at home ... they score on their first two PP going 2/2 with 2 defections.
One thing that really impressed me and would not mine seeing more of is Connor and Ehlers on the same line. I didn't think it would work but the one shift when they were both on the ice they made the Ducks look like a pee wee team.
I still think the Jets can go 6-1-1 for the month of October.

They play like this, they lose 10 out of 10.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

i agree with you. but just saying there's an examples of a player of having a poor TC/Pre-season but being nhl competent

Sorry my bad. So we do agree lol. Sometimes you just have to give the young talent some rope and not put to much pressure on them in a short sample size at the start of the season. The cream always rises to the top.

 

[Romang67]

I'm looking forward to the next game where we put up 5 goals playing the same way, and people act as if we played differently.

 

[snowkiddin]

That would pretty much be the definition of being "outcoached".

Yeah. Plugging a defensive shutdown C on your PP1 is coaching. Overplaying underperforming players like Stastny and Wheeler is coaching. Not giving ice time to more dangerous players (Ehlers, Dubois) is coaching. Way too passive PK is coaching. Shooting from the perimeter … is that our scheme/coaching? Not sure, but Maurice should be telling them to go to the net.

I don’t think we got goalied this game, we didn’t look that dangerous, and I wouldn’t particularly blame Maurice for this. Special teams killed us, and Hellesuck played tonight instead of his usual Vezina-self. Things should iron out.

 

[surixon]

wheeler is not forgoing that spot to a rookie, lets be real

Then he is part of the problem and should be stripped of his C and I'm not joking.

A coach needs to utilize players to their strengths no matter what their status is on the team. Wheeler has no shot any longer and was an incredibly poor choice for that spot and if he's there because of pride the he can give the C to someone who is willing to step aside for the betterment of the team.

 

[DashingDane]

we need this.

 

[DRW204]

I'm looking forward to the next game where we put up 5 goals playing the same way, and people act as if we played differently.

i dont think they generated great looks, especially against a goaltender like gibson.

an inferior team or goaltender like in SJS, maybe those go in. but shots with little to no traffic, or limited goalie movement with a goalie like Gibson who showed some good rebound control. that's not gonna work.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I fell asleep during the pre-puck drop intros, when the Ducks were going through the 40 or 50 bench and locker room guys. I think it was between the water bottle filler and the jock strap washer intros where I just dozed off.

Watching the highlights the one thing that stands out is that Gibson made the saves that Helle didn't.

I will take the comments that we outplayed them (the skaters) as a positive.

On to the next one. Go Jets Go!

 

[DashingDane]

I like top 6 pairs of Connor/Scheif and Ehlers/PLD. To me the question marks are Blake and Andrew. Maybe swapping them could do something? Copp helps the top line with forechecking and defensive play and Wheeler doesn't feel like he has to drive a line with Nicky usually carrying the puck. I'd obviously love to see Perfetti take one of those spots but I don't think that is realistic.

With Mark back I'd probably try Connor/Scheif/Stats and Ehlers/PLD/Wheeler for Saturday. Realistically I think we see CSW and EPS, Copp bumps Perfetti to 4th or the A.

 

[Hunter368]

I'm looking forward to the next game where we put up 5 goals playing the same way, and people act as if we played differently.

This........

Anyone freaking out about one game needs to calm down. Hockey fans........

It's like drivers in Manitoba when snows falls, so many of them forget how to drive for a few weeks in snow every year. Bizarre, same story every season the moment the Jets lose a game.....the sky is falling, strip the Captain of his C, trade core players, fire management........until the next game when we win then life is good. Ugh