You are the GM thread....Trade Deadline 2024

[JojoTheWhale]

The more recent stories cast doubt on the 1&2 offer, that it was part of a much larger deal.

We're reaching moon landing hoax territory.

 

[trostol]

As GM I look at this team and simply do as little as possible.

I'd look around to see if I can move Staal, Walker, Seeler, Atkinson, Ristolainen. Laughton if people are offering 1sts.

If someone is Desperate for Hart, I would definitely move him for a GOOD haul, and call up Sandstrom.
I'm calling up Andrae for sure.
Attard, Tuomaala, Lycksell, Laczynski, Desnoyers, Allison all are options we can look at to call up. If they can't keep up, it'll be time to move on from the older ones.

Do I look at Zegras? Yep.

Just for clarification..your not moving any of them unless it's for a first or just Laughton for a first?

 

[ajgoal]

We're reaching moon landing hoax territory.

Except it was a hoax.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Except it was a hoax.

@Striiker

*Edit* The img tag works with gyazo?!

 

[Striiker]

@Striiker

*Edit* The img tag works with gyazo?!

Even with all the stupid useless bits of information my tiny little brain remembers, we’re now 2 for 2 on you reposting this picture and me squinting at it and being confused for a full 5 seconds before it clicks.

 

[deadhead]

We're reaching moon landing hoax territory.

There was one rumor, from Servalli (sic), with no confirmation.
When a rumor stretches credibility, odds are details were left out.

A 1st and 2nd is what the Islanders gave for Pageau, does anyone in the NHL consider Laughton to be as good as Pageau when he was traded? And the Isles probably overpaid b/c he was a Trotz type player.

I'm sure Laughton has a market, but even last year it was obvious he's a 3LW/4C, he has never been that good of a center, his value is both intangibles and his ability to play multiple roles (PP2, PK1, 4C, 3LW).

Last year, 78g 10-17 27 at ES, 5-4 9 on the PP, 3-4 7 SH. 1.25 pp/60 (5x5)
This year, 45 g 4-10 14 at ES, 0-1 1 on the PP, 1-4 5 SH. 1.22 pp/60 (5x5)
So he's having pretty much the same season as last year, except the PP, and the league knows that's more a result of a dysfunctional PP than any fall off by Laughton.
So he should have similar value as last summer.
His xGF% has fallen off, but last year he was 3LW with Hayes, this year 4C with Deslauriers.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Who has good center prospects and in need of scoring on the wing? I think Tippett could make a compelling target in that manner.

Would love to see them run the young defenders so move two current roster defenders.

Move one bottom six forward as well.

I hate the buy/sell rhetoric. Briere needs to reallocate his assets. If you’ve got someone in place that can reasonably replace what you’re trading, you need to do it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

There was one rumor, from Servalli (sic), with no confirmation.
When a rumor stretches credibility, odds are details were left out.

There was one spelled out offer from Seravalli, who is the President of the PHWA with no history of making things up.

A 1st and 2nd is what the Islanders gave for Pageau, does anyone in the NHL consider Laughton to be as good as Pageau when he was traded? And the Isles probably overpaid b/c he was a Trotz type player.

Pageau was traded at the deadline as a pending UFA. Laughton was an offseason trade in which a team was buying three cost-controlled years and the offer came from the GM who just had him at an international tournament and fell in love. You're also forgetting the conditional 3rd in the Pageau deal. It wasn't likely to convey, but it was included.

I completely agree with you that I would not give up the rumored picks for Scott Laughton. That has no bearing whatsoever on whether someone else would.

I'm sure Laughton has a market, but even last year it was obvious he's a 3LW/4C, he has never been that good of a center, his value is both intangibles and his ability to play multiple roles (PP2, PK1, 4C, 3LW).

Last year, 78g 10-17 27 at ES, 5-4 9 on the PP, 3-4 7 SH. 1.25 pp/60 (5x5)
This year, 45 g 4-10 14 at ES, 0-1 1 on the PP, 1-4 5 SH. 1.22 pp/60 (5x5)
So he's having pretty much the same season as last year, except the PP, and the league knows that's more a result of a dysfunctional PP than any fall off by Laughton.
So he should have similar value as last summer.
His xGF% has fallen off, but last year he was 3LW with Hayes, this year 4C with Deslauriers.

No.

 

[Chinatown88]

There was one spelled out offer from Seravalli, who is the President of the PHWA with no history of making things up.



Pageau was traded at the deadline as a pending UFA. Laughton was an offseason trade in which a team was buying three cost-controlled years and the offer came from the GM who just had him at an international tournament and fell in love. You're also forgetting the conditional 3rd in the Pageau deal. It wasn't likely to convey, but it was included.

I completely agree with you that I would not give up the rumored picks for Scott Laughton. That has no bearing whatsoever on whether someone else would.




No.

Bless your heart

 

[mja]

It always amuses when he just completely makes shit up.

I also am enjoying his continued talking up of Attard. I can't wait until he decides to cut bait there and pretends he never slotted him in as a core player for the next 5 years.

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Striiker

*Edit* The img tag works with gyazo?!

 

[eramosat]

I think this thread is excellent...a wide variety of ideas, all opinions respected, maybe teased but not denigrated. We are coming together as a group...and thank you Flyers for giving us that with your entirely watchable play.

I would love for some genius to summarize our ideas by trend and likes. GDT managers are the logical choices, to do it or designate the job. Then we can just message the results to Torts, or Briere if we think he has good influence.

Myself, I am going to wait until I play games VS the East over the next 6 weeks, and see how this currently strong-ish team fares. They have done very well so far, but they have a ton of games left to play against probable playoff matchups, whether they be first round opponents, or more, and it's a big unknown given their opponents thus far. Just wanna see, because, you know, if you're gonna GM a team, you gotta leave a little hope for actually winning it all in your very first stated re-build year. So if we sweep the Bruins? Or the Leafs? Or whomever, that's knowledge I wanna have before I pull the trigger(s).

But most obviously...one of Seeler or Walker just has to be traded for value. I think I can preserve both my low percentage dream of (a) making the playoffs and (b) compete in the playoffs sans one of them whilst maintaining a commitment to the future and turning good now value into better used future value.

There are (plenty of other) reasonable now-for-future deals to be had, but this one is the no-brainer to plan for and entertain escalating offers on. If the East starts putting the Flyers in their place, well, we should discuss further. No rush.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

The more recent stories cast doubt on the 1&2 offer, that it was part of a much larger deal.

Which make sense, it's hard to imagine St Louis, which was cap strapped, offering a 1st and 2nd and taking on Laughton's $3M cap hit. Instead they gave a 6th to take on Hayes' $3.5M cap hit. That left them with both picks and the flexibility to dump a player to make cap room, and the draft capital to pay someone.

I don’t agree with you on much, but i do agree the concept of Laughton alone with no retention and no cap dump coming back for a 1st and a 2nd seems extraordinarily far fetched.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think this thread is excellent...a wide variety of ideas, all opinions respected, maybe teased but not denigrated. We are coming together as a group...and thank you Flyers for giving us that with your entirely watchable play.

I would love for some genius to summarize our ideas by trend and likes. GDT managers are the logical choices, to do it or designate the job. Then we can just message the results to Torts, or Briere if we think he has good influence.

Myself, I am going to wait until I play games VS the East over the next 6 weeks, and see how this currently strong-ish team fares. They have done very well so far, but they have a ton of games left to play against probable playoff matchups, whether they be first round opponents, or more, and it's a big unknown given their opponents thus far. Just wanna see, because, you know, if you're gonna GM a team, you gotta leave a little hope for actually winning it all in your very first stated re-build year. So if we sweep the Bruins? Or the Leafs? Or whomever, that's knowledge I wanna have before I pull the trigger(s).

But most obviously...one of Seeler or Walker just has to be traded for value. I think I can preserve both my low percentage dream of (a) making the playoffs and (b) compete in the playoffs sans one of them whilst maintaining a commitment to the future and turning good now value into better used future value.

There are (plenty of other) reasonable now-for-future deals to be had, but this one is the no-brainer to plan for and entertain escalating offers on. If the East starts putting the Flyers in their place, well, we should discuss further. No rush.

Wait what am I being volunteered for

 

[mja]

Wait what am I being volunteered for

If I'm understanding everything correctly, summarizing deady's thoughts and forwarding them to Torts. I don't know what you're being punished for exactly, but whatever it is, it must be absolutely abominable.

Are we sure that's not your daughter's account?

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Honestly I'm working the phones to trade risto, if I can trade risto that helps alot (cap flexibility)

I'm listening to offers on hart (could bring in a hual) but not looking to trade him just to trade him

i'm begging someone to take Atkinson

I touch base with poehlings agent to see about an extension (very good for a 4th line/ some timer on the 3rd line)

Depending on where we are come deadline depends on whether or not I trade walker since he's played really well but would still look to trade him for a late first (no interest in a 3rd)

I touch base with Tippetts agent about an extension, anything more than 5-5.5 million a year, and he's being dealt at the draft

I move Staal for a bag of used condoms

I work the phones and try to move Laughton for a late first (doubtful)

Not looking to move hathaway yet since he's not a bad 4th liner

Obviously attempting to trade Deslauriers but there's zero interest

I call Detroit and see about acquiring Rasmussen for the 3rd line lw he will bring speed and size to a 3rd line that could use some speed (if we can move atkinson) more so kicking the tires as I'm not giving up much for him let's say for the sake of argument Allison and a 3rd (may not be enough but you get the point I'm making (he's 24, big fast has skill but hasn't put it all together yet and could use a change of scenery much like Tippett)

I don't think they move seeler so let's not go there

I call up Tanner L for 4th line center and attard for 3rd pair

So assuming we move risto and keep walker, but are able to get Rasmussen, trade Atkinson, and trade laughton

Foerster couts tk
Farabee frost Tippett
Rasmussen poehling brink
Cates Tanner hathaway

Sanhiem Drysdale
York walker
Zamula seeler/attard

Hart (if no offers blow you away)
Ersson

Not mentioning possible picks back because none of us really know whats being offered so let's just keep that part out for now lol

I'm not gutting the team, but also not buying just because of short term success, if this team works, then great, if not, not a big deal as I'm looking to rebuild for another 3-4 years

I like attard more than most, definitely think he's good enough to play in the NHL, but does have issues at times on defense, ironically enough, but I bring him up because he's good offensively and has a good shot but I don't play him every night, I rotate him to give zamula a break if needed but he'd primarily be my 7th defenseman and it gives him plenty of time to work with shaw about getting his defensive game cleaned up

Thoughts?? I know many may not agree some might (fun part of doing these) but I have reasons for each person on each line

 

[eramosat]

Wait what am I being volunteered for

nothing more than shepherding the Board's thoughts along...directly, or indirectly. I notice a couple of capable candidate's already stepping up to do some of the grunt work, leaving only the polishing of a senior member like yourself to bring it all home. but I'll defer to your best judgement.

you'll be great! or you and MSE will be great!!

 

[Flyer lurker]

any one have thoughts on the cost? would torts tolerate him?

 

[Kelmitchell2]

any one have thoughts on the cost? would torts tolerate him?

I'll be honest, he does have potential, but I'm not at all interested, he's a guy that does nothing but float, has a good shot but rarely gets to use it due to terrible positioning on the ice, he reminds me alot of a poor man's yakupov, just not the kind of player/prospect I'm willing to give up much for as I think it'd take a 2nd to acquire him, and he wouldn't really have a place on this team

 

[freakydallas13]

Ironically, having 7 NHL capable defensemen, plus Staal as a tertiary option for a 6 defenseman set up, is what teams would kill for when preparing for a playoff run.

Could have used this kind of depth in 2010...

Could have used it even more in 2004!

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Could have used it even more in 2004!

They had it and traded it away... Pre-salary cap!

As always, that season was ruined by the fact that Eric Desjardins's son likes baseball.

 

[MrGuyPerson]

Is Michkov better than Giroux?

Currently? No. Although to put that in perspective, was McDavid better than Crosby year one?

As a prospect/potential wise? Not even in the same conversation. As prospect, Michkov is literally a child prodigy. His hypotheitical ceiling is to surpass the last Russian prodigy Ovechkin as the best Russian to play in the league. There is obviously no guarentee he hits his ceiling, but given his age relative production so far he is still currently living up to the prodigy status. So... in 2 seasons if michkov is not better than Giroux was at his peak... I will eat my own shoe. Not really because shit happens, but wow would it be a disappointment. Prodigy don't happen often. To see the potential wasted would suck. The kid would have to decide he hates hockey give up. Giroux is/was great, but he was a decent sized step away from Crosby/Ovie in this era.

By acknowledging Michkov's potential I am not stating that I think he is a one man cup winner. If all goes well he will be superstar, but no superstar single handedly wins cups in this sport. Would Crosby have 3 cups without malkin & Letang? Would Patty Kane have 3 without Toews, Hossa, Sharp(still sad that he should of been flyer), Keith, & Seabrook?

I think the flyers need a legit second star by the time Michkov comes over. They are littered with top tier depth forwards, but I do not think they have a genuine star yet. The Backstrom to ovie. The malkin to Crosby. The Rantanen/Landeskog to Mackinnon. The point/Stamkos to Kucherov.

When looking at lineups of cup winning teams, more specifically cup winning teams since 2010 Most teams actually have a similarish build(Excluding the blues). 2-3 genuine star forwards(guys who finish top 5 maybe top 10 in points/goals/assists). Solid depth forwards, by depth I mean a few guys who could be great 2nd line players on any team, but are not full blown stars or guys who were once star 1st liners, but declined a bit due to age(Like Kadri, Compher, Karlsson, Barbarov, Justin Williams, Patrick sharp, Hossa, Jeff carter, Sadd, Palät, Gourde, Killorn, Oshie, Wilson). 1 to 2 number 1 caliber D-men(Pietrangelo, makar, Hedman, Sergachev, Carlson, Letang, Duncan Keith, Seabrook, Doughty, Chara). Overall solid D core that have more emphasis on defensive contribution than offensive excluding the number 1 D. Either a star goalie or a goalie who is on a heater.

The flyers have the goalies. They have the depth. Sanheim might be a number 1 guy. I'm not certain on that yet. 1 genuine star forward should be coming. They will likely need at least one more to fit the mold of a cup winner.

 

[ponder719]

Honestly I'm working the phones to trade risto, if I can trade risto that helps alot (cap flexibility)

I'm listening to offers on hart (could bring in a hual) but not looking to trade him just to trade him

i'm begging someone to take Atkinson

I touch base with poehlings agent to see about an extension (very good for a 4th line/ some timer on the 3rd line)

Depending on where we are come deadline depends on whether or not I trade walker since he's played really well but would still look to trade him for a late first (no interest in a 3rd)

I touch base with Tippetts agent about an extension, anything more than 5-5.5 million a year, and he's being dealt at the draft

I move Staal for a bag of used condoms

I work the phones and try to move Laughton for a late first (doubtful)

Not looking to move hathaway yet since he's not a bad 4th liner

Obviously attempting to trade Deslauriers but there's zero interest

I call Detroit and see about acquiring Rasmussen for the 3rd line lw he will bring speed and size to a 3rd line that could use some speed (if we can move atkinson) more so kicking the tires as I'm not giving up much for him let's say for the sake of argument Allison and a 3rd (may not be enough but you get the point I'm making (he's 24, big fast has skill but hasn't put it all together yet and could use a change of scenery much like Tippett)

I don't think they move seeler so let's not go there

I call up Tanner L for 4th line center and attard for 3rd pair

So assuming we move risto and keep walker, but are able to get Rasmussen, trade Atkinson, and trade laughton

Foerster couts tk
Farabee frost Tippett
Rasmussen poehling brink
Cates Tanner hathaway

Sanhiem Drysdale
York walker
Zamula seeler/attard

Hart (if no offers blow you away)
Ersson

Not mentioning possible picks back because none of us really know whats being offered so let's just keep that part out for now lol

I'm not gutting the team, but also not buying just because of short term success, if this team works, then great, if not, not a big deal as I'm looking to rebuild for another 3-4 years

I like attard more than most, definitely think he's good enough to play in the NHL, but does have issues at times on defense, ironically enough, but I bring him up because he's good offensively and has a good shot but I don't play him every night, I rotate him to give zamula a break if needed but he'd primarily be my 7th defenseman and it gives him plenty of time to work with shaw about getting his defensive game cleaned up

Thoughts?? I know many may not agree some might (fun part of doing these) but I have reasons for each person on each line

Thank you for saving me the trouble of writing this, that's pretty much where I am.

 

[VladDrag]

Currently? No. Although to put that in perspective, was McDavid better than Crosby year one?

As a prospect/potential wise? Not even in the same conversation. As prospect, Michkov is literally a child prodigy. His hypotheitical ceiling is to surpass the last Russian prodigy Ovechkin as the best Russian to play in the league. There is obviously no guarentee he hits his ceiling, but given his age relative production so far he is still currently living up to the prodigy status. So... in 2 seasons if michkov is not better than Giroux was at his peak... I will eat my own shoe. Not really because shit happens, but wow would it be a disappointment. Prodigy don't happen often. To see the potential wasted would suck. The kid would have to decide he hates hockey give up. Giroux is/was great, but he was a decent sized step away from Crosby/Ovie in this era.

I am not sure how much you valued Giroux, but he was a top ~10 player in the NHL at his peak. He was absolutely outstanding. The guy routinely was in the top ~15 in scoring, and finished in the top 3 in scoring in 3 or 4 seasons. A 36, he's still a topline left winger, near a ppg. The dude is insane.

There are lots of outcomes where Michkov doesn't turn into that top ~10 player where he's still considered a successful player. And to be clear, I think there is a real possibility that Michkov is a top 10 NHL player, guess Im just saying that I suggested not using the top end outcome as the only measuring stick. Obviously, you're free to do as you wish.

 

[Curufinwe]

They had it and traded it away... Pre-salary cap!

As always, that season was ruined by the fact that Eric Desjardins's son likes baseball.

Loser Flyer fans are out protesting Gauthier at BC games, when what they really should be doing is bothering Eric Jr at his place of work.

Atkinson at 50% is still a $2,937,500 cap hit and he has another year left. What kind of contending team wants that?