Yeah Sullivan Sucks, but Dubas needs to be talked about too...
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A real jerk thing
Dubas is speed running the Worst Pens GM any%, no toolassist either.
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Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Listen, I came on your boards warning you pens fans of dubas’s ways having watched his work for 5 yrs in leaf land. I was met with great restraint that he would right the ship. So I backed off and let it play out knowing full well you would eventually see what I have witnessed. He sucks, you’re fortunate you have him in a time where you want to suck to rebuild. Hopefully you will have someone more competent when he is fired in 6 yrs
AuroraBorealis
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You're clearly not watching the games and have no idea why they are losing. So why are you talking?
What does Dubas have to do with Crosby, Letang, Karlsson, Pettersson, Bunting, Jarry all playing well below their averages, all at the same time? That's a coaching issue.
Most of his off-season work involved restructuring the bottom-six. They're scoring quite well and a few of them have helped the PK. Plus guys like Glass and Hayes are here because they came with picks attached, not for performance this season. They are cap dumps.
All of his trades have made sense or are outright wins.
I'll blame Dubas for hiring Quinn. Not sure he has the authority to fire Sullivan. Maybe. We'll see. Ownership adore him.
Didn't like the Grzelcyk signing either. Otherwise I got no issues with his choices this off-season.
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It amazes me people are still trying to defend Dubas. Our roster is pathetic. We have one injury and suddenly Hayes is a 2C, for example.
Sullivan sucks but Dubas has been awful too.
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People assume Dubas's job is to create a winning hockey team in 1-2 years, and that's an impossible task. It's to create a winning team in 7-10 years, and most here have zero clue on how to accomplish that.
AuroraBorealis
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I am trying to speak the truth, as I see it, like I've done for 7 years here. Taking sides doesn't interest me, even when they're my favorites or least favorites.
Hayes has played well this year and I got zero problems with him at 2C for a game. It's not that prestigious of a position on a shit team. He deserved more minutes than 8 at ES a night.
He's straight up outplayed Sid at even-strength prior to this game.
AuroraBorealis
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Well if they wanted that 7-10 year window thing then they should have started a full-scale rebuild the moment he got here. That's how long it takes. They didn't have leeway to throw multiple years away like this, and sign guys like Jarry and Graves to huge contracts. Sid shouldn't have been re-signed either.
pistolpete11
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When critiquing Dubas, I think you need to first answer:
"Are they actually trying to compete?"
If the answer to that is "no, they are rebuilding and just not admitting it out loud", then I think it's an incomplete for Dubas and we will see what he does with Petts and Eller at the TDL and Karlsson, Rust, Rakell, etc. in the coming years.
If the answer to that is "yes", then....lol. Keeping Sullivan is unforgivable and there is a massive glaring hole at 1LW while they keep spending a ton on the bottom 6. I lean towards the side that says Jarry and Graves just suck and were massive mistakes, but I'd leave open the possibility that Sullivan ruins players.
Edit: And I don't buy the "he can't fire Sullivan" excuse. Maybe he can't technically be the one to do it, but he can go to FSG and say he needs to go. It's not a difficult point to make.
"Are they actually trying to compete?"
If the answer to that is "no, they are rebuilding and just not admitting it out loud", then I think it's an incomplete for Dubas and we will see what he does with Petts and Eller at the TDL and Karlsson, Rust, Rakell, etc. in the coming years.
If the answer to that is "yes", then....lol. Keeping Sullivan is unforgivable and there is a massive glaring hole at 1LW while they keep spending a ton on the bottom 6. I lean towards the side that says Jarry and Graves just suck and were massive mistakes, but I'd leave open the possibility that Sullivan ruins players.
Edit: And I don't buy the "he can't fire Sullivan" excuse. Maybe he can't technically be the one to do it, but he can go to FSG and say he needs to go. It's not a difficult point to make.
Coastal Kev
There will be "I told you so's" Bet on it
Sadly, at the root of all of this is Mario; They had just won their 3rd cup with the core and were at a crossroad. From that moment forward, with every decision made, they made the wrong choice; ending with Mario cashing out, taking his bag full of pucks and running.
I won't go into detail with the many wrong decisions, but the biggest and still most damaging one was Sullivan. He went from a failed coach who couldn't sniff an NHL HC job for over a decade to the most powerful man in the organization within an 18 month window. Dubas is just the latest lackey holding Sully's pocket and will be made the next fall guy.
Sully ain't goin nowhere. FSG thinks he invented the sport and USA Hockey cemented him here until at least 26.
I won't go into detail with the many wrong decisions, but the biggest and still most damaging one was Sullivan. He went from a failed coach who couldn't sniff an NHL HC job for over a decade to the most powerful man in the organization within an 18 month window. Dubas is just the latest lackey holding Sully's pocket and will be made the next fall guy.
Sully ain't goin nowhere. FSG thinks he invented the sport and USA Hockey cemented him here until at least 26.
TheGoldenJet
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This.
…aaand this.
I tried to tell you guys. Dubas is not a good GM, and his handling of the goalie situation went as badly as I predicted on here.
I don't think he has been that bad aside from the Jarry and Graves contract. More so the Graves than Jarry imo. His hands were tied a bit regarding Jarry.
The trades have been good in my eyes.
EK trade was good at the time, but haven't worked out. But I still liked the effort of one last run.
Got decent value for Guentzel who didn't wanna stay.
Rest of the trades are the ones rebuilding tends SHOULD do. Take on players for picks. We got 2nd, 3rd, 6th and swaped a 5th for yet another 3rd to take Hayes and Glass.
Hayes had to play 2C for a game? So what? We got paid to take him on and tbh when we stack Sid and Geno on the same line it's Hayes, Eller or Glass as the 2C..
McG for Yager is impossible to judge for a few years.
The trades have been good in my eyes.
EK trade was good at the time, but haven't worked out. But I still liked the effort of one last run.
Got decent value for Guentzel who didn't wanna stay.
Rest of the trades are the ones rebuilding tends SHOULD do. Take on players for picks. We got 2nd, 3rd, 6th and swaped a 5th for yet another 3rd to take Hayes and Glass.
Hayes had to play 2C for a game? So what? We got paid to take him on and tbh when we stack Sid and Geno on the same line it's Hayes, Eller or Glass as the 2C..
McG for Yager is impossible to judge for a few years.
