Confirmed Trade: Yakupov to STL Part II

[bleedblue1223]

Maybe he can but in a salary cap world he is way overpaid to do it, thus he has negative value.

Clearly he doesn't have negative value.

 

[Confucius]

Clearly he doesn't have negative value.

Buying a lottery ticket is negative value, because someone can afford to do it doesn't change things.

Paying 2.5 million for 10 goals is negative value.

 

[Mr Positive]

Buying a lottery ticket is negative value, because someone can afford to do it doesn't change things.

Paying 2.5 million for 10 goals is negative value.

The 10 goals is what they are buying without gambling. When you buy Yakupov, you are buying a project that could become much better than 10 goals. That goes into the price. If the owner is forward thinking enough to spend the money in order to find a gem, then good for him.

In terms of cap space, I don't believe that 1 year could hold much negative value in October. Maybe in June and July it would because it limits options, but at this point if a team has a ton of space, there's no harm in spending it.

The Oilers are also probably the best team in the league for another GM to open a dialogue with. There's a good chance either Draisaitl or RNH will be for sale one day. I notice that often even big trades come between teams that have had other deals before.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Buying a lottery ticket is negative value, because someone can afford to do it doesn't change things.

Paying 2.5 million for 10 goals is negative value.

And his career 82 game average of 16? Yakupov at his pure offensive production right now matches his salary, the problem is not being a liability while he's doing that. In a more structured system with vets who have been successful in the system and in the league, can he improve that part, that's the question.

Regardless, value that you are talking for the Blues will be determined when we go to extend him.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

This move is fascinating. We will need to allow a few months for Yak to have a chance to show any growth. It makes the Blues more interesting to watch.

 

[Celtic Note]

This move is fascinating. We will need to allow a few months for Yak to have a chance to show any growth. It makes the Blues more interesting to watch.

It does add another story line to the mix.

The first few weeks probably won't be too telling. His play could be impacted by any number of things that don't necessarily illustrate his growth or lack there of. I think you are spot on that we will need months to get any sort of feel about his value.

I also believe that his draft status and the fact that he was on the Oilers is basically generating this level of interest. If he were a mid-first pick, a great many wouldn't even care to comment on the trade.

All-in-all, I don't think there is a winner or looser off the bat. Neither gave up much.

 

[Confucius]

And his career 82 game average of 16? Yakupov at his pure offensive production right now matches his salary, the problem is not being a liability while he's doing that. In a more structured system with vets who have been successful in the system and in the league, can he improve that part, that's the question.

Regardless, value that you are talking for the Blues will be determined when we go to extend him.

Lol no his career avg is 12.5. Takeaway his 1st season 4 years ago his average is 11 over the last 3. Just 8 last year so trending downwards for sure.

Oh and if you want to play the per game played avg. keep in mind he only is capable of playing 63 games per year on avg. why would that change? St Louis needs him more than Edmonton so he won't be benched as often?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Nice deal i could see Yakupov thriving in St Louis, They needed to do something to add a little more offence to the team after losing Backes and Brouwer.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Lol no his career avg is 12.5. Takeaway his 1st season 4 years ago his average is 11 over the last 3. Just 8 last year so trending downwards for sure.

Oh and if you want to play the per game played avg. keep in mind he only is capable of playing 63 games per year on avg. why would that change? St Louis needs him more than Edmonton so he won't be benched as often?

Notice how I said 82 game average. He's not capable of playing more than 63 games? He played 81 in 14-15.

 

[Confucius]

Notice how I said 82 game average. He's not capable of playing more than 63 games? He played 81 in 14-15.

Oh the year he scored 12?
Why yes I did, reread my reply...
Anyway I added my two cents, we'll see how it works out.

 

[ulvvf]

The only thing of value edmonton got back was the pick. Absolutly worth the gamble from st louis parts. Surprise that no gm gave more for yakubov then this. He may fail, but so do most 2/3 round picks also do.

He is still young after all, and have tons of talent, but this is how NHL is, it is rush rush, do you not succed direct then you are a bust. But seriously some gm should realize that sometimes it can take time and yakubovs potential should have more value then this. I would have give more if i was a gm, maybe he fail but sometimes you have to gamble little but, espically when the price is low.

 

[AvroArrow]

He was and is a great point producer, that wasn't my point. Success is winning. Being a PPG player on a perennial losing team is not success. Being a top 5 LW in the NHL on the worst team for a decade, is not success.

Youre trying to measure individual success by looking at team achievements, not how it works. Was Kessel not a successful scorer in Toronto, Carter in CBJ, Schneider in New Jersey. I can go on for days, but that is a horrible way to evaluate an individual.

 

[CaptainSexyPants]

I've watched a lot of Edmonton games and I honestly think most of their players would suceed playing in other markets. I think Yak will bounce back this season. Hall will suceed in NJ.

Drafting McDavid was year one of rebuilding the rebuild. It was a failed rebuild, with a failed philosophy. Edmonton fans will excuse this failure as their ticket to McDavid, but it's totally unacceptable. Traded two 1st overall picks in the last few months that would have been more value as a traded pick rather than the traded player. Hindsight is 20/20, but I still think the Oilers are 2-3 years from competing for the playoffs. McDavid is great, but he is still surrounded by losing players with the exception of Lucic.

I don't know if you realize the amount of turnover there's been on that team. Only two players were on the roster (30+ games) beyond the 14-15 year: RNH and Eberle. They've done a lot to try and rid the team of that losing attitude.

 

[BVicious]

Youre trying to measure individual success by looking at team achievements, not how it works. Was Kessel not a successful scorer in Toronto, Carter in CBJ, Schneider in New Jersey. I can go on for days, but that is a horrible way to evaluate an individual.

I'm not evaluating the individual in any of my posts regarding this trade. It's pretty clear Yaks personal success will be greater in STL because it is a better team. Other than McDavid, NONE of the Oilers top picks makes players around them better.

Trust me, I'm a life long long Flames fan, I know all to well about individual success a la Iginla. But it doesn't mean anything for anyone but that player if you cannot surround that individual with talent or if that individual can't make those around him better.

A lot of people critisize Chia, but he is doing exactly what the previous LOSING regime wouldn't do, and that is build a winning team by trading players that do not contribute to a winning culture.

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm not evaluating the individual in any of my posts regarding this trade. It's pretty clear Yaks personal success will be greater in STL because it is a better team. Other than McDavid, NONE of the Oilers top picks makes players around them better.

Trust me, I'm a life long long Flames fan, I know all to well about individual success a la Iginla. But it doesn't mean anything for anyone but that player if you cannot surround that individual with talent or if that individual can't make those around him better.

A lot of people critisize Chia, but he is doing exactly what the previous LOSING regime wouldn't do, and that is build a winning team by trading players that do not contribute to a winning culture.

"Being a PPG player on a perennial losing team is not success" is your quote.

Having a PPG season is a very good and successful season for an individual player. If his team happens to finish at the bottom, that is unsuccessful for the team.
Success in a sport has two levels. The individual level, and on a team level.

That is my point. You can't compare individual player success with team success. Ovechkin and like you said Iginla are prime examples of that. Hall is another example of that (although he was never as dominant as the 2 players mentioned)

 

[Moon Man]

Edmonton got away with absolute highway robbery here. Worst pick of all time actually gets them some value back. Not bad.

 

[Overkamp]

Good trade for the Blues. They get a very talented players who was mismanaged from the start in Edmonton.

If anyone can get the most out of his young guys, I see Hitch as that guy..and Yeo.

From what I've heard him and Tarasenko have a good relationship. Many Yak can learn from him and replicate his game.

 

[Viqsi]

That draft year was trash. It's not like Ryan Murray would make the Oilers world beaters. He's just another 3/4 D man clogging up the order.

Correct in assessment of Murray's probable impact on the Oilers (given his injuries and the state of the blueline), but couldn't be more overwhelmingly wrong about his capability. That's like referring to Eberle as a middle-sixer.

 

[PG Canuck]

Low risk, high reward from the Blues standpoint, IMO.

 

[yukoner88]

Chia being chia, should have moved him last year or wait a bit, very poor return. He is going for some kind of record trading away the top picks.

Chia has been trying to move him. At the deadline teams were trading 3rd round picks to the Oilers for Purcell and Schultz, rather than taking a flyer on Yakupov. At the draft it was rumoured Yak was on the block but no one offered anything better than a 4th.

I think Chia pulled the trigger now because it's probably the only time anyone's given him an offer that's higher than a 4th, and there's a chance to get at a 2nd.

 

[McRpro]

Chia has been trying to move him. At the deadline teams were trading 3rd round picks to the Oilers for Purcell and Schultz, rather than taking a flyer on Yakupov. At the draft it was rumoured Yak was on the block but no one offered anything that a 4th.

I think Chia pulled the trigger now because it's probably the only time anyone's given him an offer that's higher than a 4th, and there's a chance to get at a 2nd.

There's a reason why Yakupov returned so little. Fans seem to have too much invested in the theory that he has untapped potential and that he's gonna somehow get it once he gets traded. GM's however know the chances of that happening are minuscule, hence the return.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm not evaluating the individual in any of my posts regarding this trade. It's pretty clear Yaks personal success will be greater in STL because it is a better team. Other than McDavid, NONE of the Oilers top picks makes players around them better.

Trust me, I'm a life long long Flames fan, I know all to well about individual success a la Iginla. But it doesn't mean anything for anyone but that player if you cannot surround that individual with talent or if that individual can't make those around him better.

A lot of people critisize Chia, but he is doing exactly what the previous LOSING regime wouldn't do, and that is build a winning team by trading players that do not contribute to a winning culture.

Chia hasn't won anything yet in Edmonton.

And I'd say lack of talent - particularly on defence is a way bigger reason why the Oilers have been putrid rather than any supposed organizational culture issue.

 

[Soundwave]

The only thing of value edmonton got back was the pick. Absolutly worth the gamble from st louis parts. Surprise that no gm gave more for yakubov then this. He may fail, but so do most 2/3 round picks also do.

He is still young after all, and have tons of talent, but this is how NHL is, it is rush rush, do you not succed direct then you are a bust. But seriously some gm should realize that sometimes it can take time and yakubovs potential should have more value then this. I would have give more if i was a gm, maybe he fail but sometimes you have to gamble little but, espically when the price is low.

They got $2.5 million in cap room, which lets them sign Kris Russell for basically $600k instead of $3 million. A mobile d-man like Kris Russell was needed more on the Oilers than year 4 of the "is this the year Yakupov figures out how to play NHL hockey" experiment.

It's not great value, but it was basically done I have no doubt to take on Russell, who was signed the same day. Even though the Oilers do on paper have "plenty" of cap room, it will likely get eaten up quick after McDavid and Draisaitl's bonuses, so being able to add Russell as a cap neutral move had a lot of value for the Oilers.

 

[Ranksu]

Someone has to post that YouTube video of Yakupov scoring that regular season game tying goal vs. LA.

If David Backes would seen that he would beat the **** out of Yakupov in next practise. You don't celebrate that way regular season games or ever, only if you save homeless dog or cat.

 

[Toene]

Brian Burke was right when he said Morgan Rielly would be the best player to come out of that draft.

LMAO.

Parayko, Lindholm are already better. You could make a case for Trouba and Murray. And this is just considering defensemen. Galchenyuk, Forsberg, etc.