Confirmed Trade: Yakupov to STL Part II

[GirardSpinorama]

mclellan's quote

"“By the time we had arrived here, the new coaching staff and stuff, it was infected already. He had a lot of the past baggage that he was carrying with him. We tried to get him going and it worked for awhile with Connor, and then both their injuries derailed that. People wonder, well, why didn’t you put him back there? Because we didn’t. And Ebs created a bond with Connor that we thought was going to be better. It’s as simple as that."

wtf does that even mean??

 

[Tripod]

mclellan's quote

"“By the time we had arrived here, the new coaching staff and stuff, it was infected already. He had a lot of the past baggage that he was carrying with him. We tried to get him going and it worked for awhile with Connor, and then both their injuries derailed that. People wonder, well, why didn’t you put him back there? Because we didn’t. And Ebs created a bond with Connor that we thought was going to be better. It’s as simple as that."

wtf does that even mean??

It means that instead of trying to increase Yaks value by playing him with Connor, he decided to just cut bait.

 

[93LEAFS]

Maybe he'll play with Paajarvi.

Not sure how a #10 overall, a #1 overall, and #33 overall turns into an AHL defenseman and a conditional 3rd. Most teams would love to have selections like that.

In the case of Yak, under either the direction of Katz, Lowe or Tambellini they overruled their scouting staff. That is always a major mistake, I understand a gm giving input, but he should never overrule the scouting staff as they have rarely seen enough of the prospects to make a firm judgement.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-got-wrong-yakupov-start/

Nine to two.

It was Friday, June 22nd, 2012. The 30 National Hockey League teams were gathered in Pittsburgh for the draft, and the Edmonton Oilers already so adept at collecting the first overall draft pick that they had developed an internal protocol. At the Friday morning meeting of the scouts and front office personnel, then general manager Steve Tambellini would tell the scouts who the team would be choosing later that night.

But that morning proceeded strangely. Head amateur scout Stu MacGregor would ask the scouts to vote, and then he would leave the room. He’d come back with some alternate criteria to describe the type of player the Oilers wanted to choose, and they’d vote again.

Every time, the vote came back the same. Nine votes for defenceman Ryan Murray, and two for Nail Yakupov. Truth be told, one of those Yakupov votes had started as a vote for Alex Galchenyuk, then morphed into support for Yakupov.

Flat out they should of went with Ryan Murray, even if it wasn't a sexy pick.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

It means that instead of trying to increase Yaks value by playing him with Connor, he decided to just cut bait.

Makes sense, and it also sounds like they just chose Eberle over him, which I don't agree with but also makes sense. When you have nothing attached to choosing Yak first overall, it also makes easier to just decide to cut bait, and you'll be insulated if Yak turns it around. I still think Yak could have a mike cammalleri type of career, but it's not on the Oilers. I would have loved to trade for him personally for the Avs at that price.

 

[lawrence]

anyone else here had to edit copy paste the words "Zach Pochiro " into a search browser because you never heard of that name?

never heard of the kid, but a 6'2 170 pounder, that has a ton of penalty pim's in the ECHL.

greeeeaaat trade Edmonton. screwing up 1st overall picks one after another.

 

[Carl Carlson]

Getting out of Edmonton will be great for him. Interested to see what he does.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

That's about fair value for the guy. Which is sad.

 

[Renly Baratheon]

anyone else here had to edit copy paste the words "Zach Pochiro " into a search browser because you never heard of that name?

never heard of the kid, but a 6'2 170 pounder, that has a ton of penalty pim's in the ECHL.

greeeeaaat trade Edmonton. screwing up 1st overall picks one after another.

 

[lawrence]

Ok ok, it was a bad trade for Edmonton then.

 

[JarvisFunk]

anyone else here had to edit copy paste the words "Zach Pochiro " into a search browser because you never heard of that name?

never heard of the kid, but a 6'2 170 pounder, that has a ton of penalty pim's in the ECHL.

greeeeaaat trade Edmonton. screwing up 1st overall picks one after another.

Anyone else here just ignore the main piece coming back for edmonton.

Greeeeaaat reading comprehension one after another.

 

[LTIR]

That conditional pick is the most valuable asset in the trade

Cap relief was

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Cap relief was

the oilers are still way below the cap.

 

[bleedblue1223]

the oilers are still way below the cap.

Financial budget...

 

[JayE]

Yakupov still has the tools to be a relatively productive player if he's put in the right situation.

 

[plikestechno]

the oilers are still way below the cap.

If bonus money isnt reached. If it is then they are at the cap.

If the Oilers get a 2nd it's a good enough trade. I cant imagine him not scoring 15 if he plays all 82 games. If he wasn't drafted 1/1 people would love the return for the Oilers.

That draft year was trash. It's not like Ryan Murray would make the Oilers world beaters. He's just another 3/4 D man clogging up the order. Brian Burke was right when he said Morgan Rielly would be the best player to come out of that draft.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

it's a good gamble from St. Louis. He was done in Edmonton, simple as that. He wanted out, and the team didn't want him anymore. The kid has skills, not sure of his hockey sense and attention to detail. But, pure skill? it's there, go watch his highlight reels from Junior, he was unreal. My guess is he's gonna need to some time in another league, either the KHL or the AHL to rebuild himself. I may be wrong, maybe the change of scenery, a new voice, and a fresh start is enough to get him going. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm pulling for him, always liked the kid, he's got spirit and skill, I hope he can put it all together.

 

[King King]

They're turning a 1st overall into, at best, a late second-round pick, which gives them like 1/3 shot of developing a player that develops into an NHL player.

They got some cap relief too, but spending 3 million on a guy who should be on the third-pair isn't really making the most use of it. They weren't really hurting for space even with Yakupov though, were they.

Maybe this really was the best possible outcome for Edmonton at this point, given everything that had taken place. Either way, tough pill to swallow.

 

[plikestechno]

They're turning a 1st overall into, at best, a late second-round pick, which gives them like 1/3 shot of developing a player that develops into an NHL player.

They got some cap relief too, but spending 3 million on a guy who should be on the third-pair isn't really making the most use of it. They weren't really hurting for space even with Yakupov though, were they.

Maybe this really was the best possible outcome for Edmonton at this point, given everything that had taken place. Either way, tough pill to swallow.

Very tough. Katz is wearing a lot of egg on his face over this one. Apparently he vetoed Yakupov over Murray.

Murray probably tops out as a 3-4 but thats much better than a late 2nd.

 

[Soundwave]

it's a good gamble from St. Louis. He was done in Edmonton, simple as that. He wanted out, and the team didn't want him anymore. The kid has skills, not sure of his hockey sense and attention to detail. But, pure skill? it's there, go watch his highlight reels from Junior, he was unreal. My guess is he's gonna need to some time in another league, either the KHL or the AHL to rebuild himself. I may be wrong, maybe the change of scenery, a new voice, and a fresh start is enough to get him going. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm pulling for him, always liked the kid, he's got spirit and skill, I hope he can put it all together.

His skill isn't so great at the NHL level, yes he could beat junior goalies by slapping the puck real hard, problem is NHL goalies aren't so easily beaten and don't give two craps how hard your shot is.

He has poor shot placement and accuracy. His hands are poor too in terms of being able to make plays with the puck, very, very rarely was he ever able to deke a goalie or d-man.

He can be a decent player if spoon-fed by better players on his line ... but really you could say the same about 150 other NHL players.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

His skill isn't so great at the NHL level, yes he could beat junior goalies by slapping the puck real hard, problem is NHL goalies aren't so easily beaten and don't give two craps how hard your shot is.

He has poor shot placement and accuracy. His hands are poor too in terms of being able to make plays with the puck, very, very rarely was he ever able to deke a goalie or d-man.

He can be a decent player if spoon-fed by better players on his line ... but really you could say the same about 150 other NHL players.

so far, you're right, but I've seen games in Edmonton where he was the best player. Unfortunately they were too far in between, and I also saw many more where he was one of the worst players on the ice. I do believe the skill is there, I just don't know if it's there enough of the time.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

They're turning a 1st overall into, at best, a late second-round pick, which gives them like 1/3 shot of developing a player that develops into an NHL player.

They got some cap relief too, but spending 3 million on a guy who should be on the third-pair isn't really making the most use of it. They weren't really hurting for space even with Yakupov though, were they.

Maybe this really was the best possible outcome for Edmonton at this point, given everything that had taken place. Either way, tough pill to swallow.

ya, no doubt, Edmonton lost on this trade, and blew a number one pick. But, there are other sides to this...

1) that draft wasn't great, and it was kind of odd. 2 of the top 5 players (Galchenyuk (3rd) and Reily (5th)) barely played at all that season, due to injury.
2) Yak was voted by 8 out of 10 scouts as the number 1 pick.
3) I'm sure the Oil tried to move the pick, to either move down, or for a player, but the interest or return just wasn't there.
4) it all happened for a reason or whatever. If the Oilers don't take Yak, and he doesn't struggle, just like he did here, then the Oil don't end up with McDavid. Simple as that.

Yak was part of the old regime, taken by the last management and scouting team, and developed or not by the last coaching staff. something went wrong, maybe a lot of things went wrong. but, what's done is done. He needed to move on, and the Oilers needed to move on. I hope he succeeds, I really do.

 

[CaptainSexyPants]

Literally a no risk situation at all for the Blues. Have a good enough team to make the playoffs even if Yakupov doesn't score a single goal. If he sucks, we sit him and play Ty Rattie or Dmitrij Jaskin on the 3rd line just like we were going to before the trade. And we gave up a 3rd rounder, lol.

If he scores 20 goals, then... It's a complete steal, and he'll add speed and even more skill to our (young) lineup. The Blues want to get younger and faster and they're doing that. They're a lot younger than people realize now.

It's a fantastic situation to take a chance on. We are not relying on him for anything. We don't even have to play him if we really don't want to, and then his contract would be up. If he produces, it's a luxury. And he'll be around plenty of guys that can help him out, which was not the case in Edmonton where he needed a change.

Maybe this trade becomes nothing, that's fine, but anyone saying the draft pick is the most valuable piece or something is just delusional.

I'd have to disagree. As the player is now, even if Yakupov scores 20 goals there's a real good chance he's still doing more harm than good to your team. He's atrocious defensively, and his teammates have absolutely no idea what he's doing. There's a reason that statements like "chased by bees" and "squirrel on speed" keep following him around.

If Hitch can change his game to eliminate those things and then he scores 20 goals, well in that case I'd agree, it's a steal for the Blues.

 

[BatVader]

Personally, I'm curious to see how Yak plays now that he's out of Edmonton.
It will take him a bit to get going, but I'm curious to see if his play improves now or if his play in Edmonton is his skill level.
A lot of pressure on him now.
Hope he can pull it together.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

They're turning a 1st overall into, at best, a late second-round pick, which gives them like 1/3 shot of developing a player that develops into an NHL player.

They got some cap relief too, but spending 3 million on a guy who should be on the third-pair isn't really making the most use of it. They weren't really hurting for space even with Yakupov though, were they.

Maybe this really was the best possible outcome for Edmonton at this point, given everything that had taken place. Either way, tough pill to swallow.

Personally, I'm curious to see how Yak plays now that he's out of Edmonton.
It will take him a bit to get going, but I'm curious to see if his play improves now or if his play in Edmonton is his skill level.
A lot of pressure on him now.
Hope he can pull it together.

Way less pressure on him now than before. Number 1 overall picks have crazy pressure, add to that he was in a hockey crazy Canadian city in Edmonton. He was always under pressure here. In St. Louis, they gave up basically nothing for him, he's on a 1 year deal, and he'd not even one of there top 5 forwards, and he not expected to be either. I think this fresh start is a great thing, it couldn't get any worse.

 

[BatVader]

Way less pressure on him now than before. Number 1 overall picks have crazy pressure, add to that he was in a hockey crazy Canadian city in Edmonton. He was always under pressure here. In St. Louis, they gave up basically nothing for him, he's on a 1 year deal, and he'd not even one of there top 5 forwards, and he not expected to be either. I think this fresh start is a great thing, it couldn't get any worse.

But the pressure now is to prove that it was all because of being in Edmonton.
Prove that he can be an NHL player. That he can produce.
He has a lot to prove now and that is a lot of pressure.
I give him the first half of the season to acclimate and get his feet under him. Then, he needs to show sone things.