Ya seemed to get a boost for getting picked first and people re-assessed him.
I find it odd how that didn't happen at all with Buium. His supporters think 5 teams all screwed up.
Yakemchuk / Parekh / Silayev / Dickinson / Buium
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Ya seemed to get a boost for getting picked first and people re-assessed him.
I find it odd how that didn't happen at all with Buium. His supporters think 5 teams all screwed up.
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Yakemchuk's name sounds so much like a name that will be a 6-7 dman that I have a difficult time believing in him.
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He was my first choice and Buium my second, but wanted a RD, so liked Yak the best.
If we’re being realistic then yeah that sounds about right. As of right now Silayev provides next to no offense. It’s take a lot of projection and development from him to be a guy who is a 40+ pt D. In all likelihood Silayev’s not going to be a PP guy. It’s very rare for guys to exceed that 35-40 without significant PP time. There were 6 D last year that had 35+ pts and 5 or fewer PP pts.
I mean, yeah. I went into my preseason viewings of him a total skeptic but he showed he could use his biggest strengths against higher level comp while knowing when to take risks and when to play it safe, which was the biggest question mark. He has a long way to go before he's a regular top four guy but he definitely deserves a reputation bump for what he did in those games.
I said months ago in the Silayev thread on the Devils board that the first 3 years of Parayko's career is like the higher end of where I think and hope Silayev ends up while the couple years following that is on the lower end of what I'd hope he becomes. He was incredible defensively the whole time. He was a great offensive play driver to start then dropped off a bit. This was a guy that played over 25 minutes a night on the way to a Cup win as arguably the best player on the team and was in the Conn Smythe conversation.
This is very much a realistic ceiling for Silayev and it's not being disrespectful or underrating Silayev. This would be phenomenal. If you get this guy with Luke/Casey/Nemec as the rest of the top 4 you're laughing at how insane it is. It'd be up there with that Nashville PK/Ellis/Ekholm/Josi top 4 that got to a Cup final without having stars up front.
This is very much a realistic ceiling for Silayev and it's not being disrespectful or underrating Silayev. This would be phenomenal. If you get this guy with Luke/Casey/Nemec as the rest of the top 4 you're laughing at how insane it is. It'd be up there with that Nashville PK/Ellis/Ekholm/Josi top 4 that got to a Cup final without having stars up front.
In NJD, yes.
He likely won't be on either PP unit.
Do you know how many dmen last year reached 35 EV points? 12.
Some notable players who failed to reach it: Charlie McAvoy, Erik Karlsson, Adam Fox, Dahlin, Heiskanen, and basically every other dman in the league.
When Parayko reached 35 points in 21-22, 31 of them were even strength (+3 empty net which some sites count as EV, but evolving hockey, and me personally, do not). Here is a complete list of dmen to score more EV points than parayko that year:
If you're comparing the point totals of dmen who get PP1 time (where most dmen get half of their production or more), to dmen on PP2 or not at all, you're doing it wrong.
People struggle to seperate the point totals of dmen who aren't PP QBs vs guys who are.I said months ago in the Silayev thread on the Devils board that the first 3 years of Parayko's career is like the higher end of where I think and hope Silayev ends up while the couple years following that is on the lower end of what I'd hope he becomes. He was incredible defensively the whole time. He was a great offensive play driver to start then dropped off a bit. This was a guy that played over 25 minutes a night on the way to a Cup win as arguably the best player on the team and was in the Conn Smythe conversation.
This is very much a realistic ceiling for Silayev and it's not being disrespectful or underrating Silayev. This would be phenomenal. If you get this guy with Luke/Casey/Nemec as the rest of the top 4 you're laughing at how insane it is. It'd be up there with that Nashville PK/Ellis/Ekholm/Josi top 4 that got to a Cup final without having stars up front.
30+ EV points is generally good for top 20-25 every year (more so back before 2020).
Parayko as a rookie had 25 EV points, which doesn't seem like a lot, but it ranked him 19th in the league among dmen.
I mean the thing with Silayev not creating offense isn't a skill thing or him growing into his body. It's a mentality thing. He literally never tries anything. Even when he went back down to the MHL he did nothing offensively. I don't think he even knows offense is a thing. Sure it's "possible" but it would require a complete overhaul from him. He has some skill and certainly could've been a solid offensive player at the MHL level if he applied himself offensively at all but he just doesn't.
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Pretty crazy to extrapolate his playing circumstances that you’ve described applying to his entire career.
Youre assuming there are no injuries, no trades, and no player development.
Yes if that’s how it plays out, you’ve got me.
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If you discount the last 10 posts before yours having nothing to do with Yakemchuk, sure.
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All I mean is that nothing else has changed since they were drafted. Silayev and Buium didn't participate in NHL camps, and Parekh and Dickinson were solid but obviously not ready for NHL minutes.
So much of scouting junior prospects is made difficult by the fact that they're playing other junior prospects. We don't trust it when they dominate, even if they've done it all year. So of course it's meaningful when you see a kid like Yakemchuk dangle through pros and score on pro goalies just like he did vs junior defenders and goalies. Even in just a few pre-season games it gives you valuable information that you don't have another way of getting.
Personally I'm glad it's getting the kid some attention. I can understand to some extent that some people were low on him because of his awkward skating and a few other things he had to work on, but I can't understand why there was so little attention overall throughout his draft season. His skill set is incredible. He was destroying opponents physically and on the scoresheet. You'll rarely ever see a prospect like him yet he was one of the least talked about of these D prospects.
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That stuff can matter though. Seider was widely panned on draft day and his camp performances coming out of the draft basically changed the entire perception on him, which turned out to be real.
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Yakemchuk is a RHD, Sanderson and Chabot are LHDs
Edit : Ottawa doesn't have much on RHD. They have Zub who turns 29 y/o tomorrow but .it gets extremely thin after that. Bernard-Docker seem like he won't be more than a 3rd pairing guy. Jensen and Hamonic are 34 y/o stop gaps. Even in terms of prospects, they don't have much in terms of RHDs. Guenette could play in the league but most likely not in a big role and for a long career. Hoyt Stanley is the only RHD prospect of note and he's 19 y/o
I am starting to see what they saw... I was not convinced at first but I didn't scout the 2024 draft as much as I did in the past. I don't scout every draft class equally, depends on life so I was not very qualified to evaluate at first. It's a process and I see the top pairing potential as a RHD for Yak, which is extremely valuable in the NHL these days
Weird, I have never seen the OP on the Sens board...
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NyQuil
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The OP isn't a Senators fan but I guess he really wanted to talk about Yakemchuk.
I was bullish on Seider but I always have a soft spot for Germans having grown up there.
Missing on Peterka still keeps me up at night.
Buium will be a mystery for awhile, playing in college. Yakemchuk, Parekh, and Dickenson played NHL exhibition games. I assume Silayev and Levshunov will play NHL and/or AHL at some point this season, so we'll get a good look at them too against pros. And Silayev of course played KHL.
I liked Buium and what I read about pre-draft, although being a LHD, I wasn't nearly as interested as the RHD. His biggest obstacle to becoming a star 2-way defender could be that he's a little guy for a defenseman, although certainly not tiny. Although other smallish d-men have been outstanding players. Will he ever be strong enough to handle opponents in front of the net and along the boards?
I liked Buium and what I read about pre-draft, although being a LHD, I wasn't nearly as interested as the RHD. His biggest obstacle to becoming a star 2-way defender could be that he's a little guy for a defenseman, although certainly not tiny. Although other smallish d-men have been outstanding players. Will he ever be strong enough to handle opponents in front of the net and along the boards?
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It's inevitable on HF.
Sanderson was being compared in polls against guys playing in the NHL when he was still at North Dakota. Needless to say, he did not do so well.
But that's why people shouldn't get too worked up about HF poll results in general.
